Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:18:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #346 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Disc problems (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re:_Manslaughter UPDATE (Jim McHie Jr.) 3. James R. Garrison (Chosondo@aol.com) 4. Jackson (Charles Richards) 5. RE: Jackson (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 6. Small world (Ray Terry) 7. Fighting Fans (DavidWeatherly@aol.com) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_Instructors?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. Master Choe (Burdick, Dakin R) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:29:06 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Disc problems Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Julie writes: > I am a Chiropractic student and a Registered Nurse, and I have seen > some amazing > results with Chiropractic and disc bulges and herniations. I would > suggest > that before you have surgery, start with a non-invasive route and see a > Chiropractor in your area first. He/she will need to see your x-rays > and > MRI to fully evaluate the problem. Hello Julie: I had a severe back injury back in the days when workers comp would not allow us to visit Chiropractors, and bed rest was a common prescription alongside all the painkillers you wanted. After seeing a football pro who had a similar injury back doing his job, I began to ask questions why I was still in bed after nearly two years and three surgeries. I took it upon myself to visit a Chiropractor, and things have looked up ever since. I still have the pain, and the left leg has lost much of its stability and strength, but I am back teaching martial arts. In the end, workers comp ended up changing their attitude as well, and they now allow such visits. Having said that, there have been a string of problems facing Chiropractors in Canada lately, and much of it had to do with the area of concern Mark has... the neck area. It seems that a number of patients were paralyzed after neck adjustments, and the Canadian Gov't is now looking into the matter. Just a heads up for Mark. > Remember, once you've had your vertebrae fused, you will never have > the same > amount of motion, function, or nerve innervation. My father (we were both 6' 7" tall and very prone to this type of injury) had a seven level fusion in the lower back area. A few years after he recovered from the back surgery, he was again able to touch his toes. In fact, he remained that limber until he passed away at age 84 ... amazing. He also had the same problem I now have, the left lower leg. It seems that blood circulation is severely affected by the back injury (or surgery). This caused open sores that would not heal unless skin grafts were done. It got bad enough that amputation was considered, but he would not hear of that. In my case, the color of my lower left leg is so dark it looks black at times. One more thing. Over the past decade, I swallowed enough painkillers and anti inflammation pills to cause permanent ringing in my ear. It seems this is a known side affect of the pills was given for so many years; however, no caution on the bottle, and no warning from the Physicians about this problem until I visited a hearing specialist. Sorry for the long post, but I'd hate to see someone else suffer from the permanent ringing in the ear due to pain medication (that is sure to come with the type of injury Mark has). Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jim McHie Jr." To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:04:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:_Manslaughter UPDATE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Approximately three weeks after the story originally posted to this list (dated 06/07/2001), there was another story (dated 06/30/2001) in the same newspaper (the Eastsite Journal of Washington State). Here is the link to electronic copies of both stories: 06/07/01: http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/56179 06/30/01: http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/58596 I could find no other relevant stories in their archive. I have made an e-mail inquiry to both writers (assuming either still works for the newspaper) for additional information that I will post here when and if I receive it. A summary of the second story is that three weeks after entering a plea agreement on the first degree manslaughter charge under which the prosecutor was going to recommend 9 1/2 years, Mr. Choe fired his attorneys and hired new counsel. The story seemed to imply that the first degree manslaughter conviction would stand, and did say that a new sentencing hearing for August 24, 2001, had been scheduled. A side note--this case appears never to have been tried. Rather, Mr Choe and prosecutors reached a plea agreement after both sides evaluated the available evidence. No judge or jury found Mr. Choe guilty as the result of a trial. Hey, my undergrad degree was in in journalism; I just couldn't resist digging a little. Jim McHie Jr. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:26:26 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] James R. Garrison Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James Garrison's teacher, Kim, Sang-GuK. GM Kim is supposedly a 1st or 2nd generation Hapkidoin, although Hapkido leaders such as Doju Ji and others in Korea, based on my inquiries, are unfamiliar with him except for a few. When I met Garrison over 15 years ago, Kim was the president of his own, "Korea Hapkido Federation". Myself and Sijo Art Gitlin of Alameda, CA were the original founding members of WOMAF with Kim as president and Garrison as vice president and me as East Coast director. I left WOMAF due to the weight of my responsibilities to Choson Kwon Bup. Garrison is skilled in several styles. They include, Hapkido, Taekwondo (Chung Do Kwan), Aikido, Judo, and Sosuishiryu Jiu Jitsu. However, is passion is Hapkido. My feeling is that WOMAF is small because Garrison is uncompromising in his expectation of its members. He is the consumate martial artists. Don't think about training with him unless you are willing to toe the line and work very hard. He works hard at maintaining "yesterdays' standards". He would rather have one good student than one hundred substandard ones. I must say that, I am the same way. I hope my comments helps. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Ave Philadelphia, PA 19128 215-483-5057 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Come with a crew and split the costs. Third point, to those not thinking they can learn gain from other styles: You people are nuts. Everything you learn you will apply somehow to your everyday training. I promise. And even if you learn nothing (yeah right), you will go away spending a little bit of cash and meeting a whole lot of people who will help you, learn with you, and stay in touch with you just as you were always a friend. If there is one thing I have learned, dedicated black belts usually make dedicated friends. <> Charlie, You are wise beyond your years :-) A well written description of what goes on at Jackson. I too enjoy competition, but you are dead on. I spent 6 hours weighing in, 8 hours driving, and 3 nites hotel to compete about 15 minutes in AAU Nationals. For half the money, I'm going to learn 100 times as much at Jackson. I have been applying relaxed power Hapkido concepts to my application of Tang Soo Do for about 8 years now. I am proud to say that I have doubled our attendance this year also. I will have one 3rd gup Brown adult and one 6th gup Green teen both in my room, and one 7th Gup Orange coed (she's gonna have to get her own room). BTW, if any ladies are going to Jackson and want to share a room with another lady, please email me off list. Yes, Jackson is VERY reasonable. I can stay for the entire seminar for what my wife wants to spend per day at our upcoming disney vacation :-) Anyway you look at it, it's money well spent. Besides, when are you gonna get another chance to see a grown man sporting capri pants :-) Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Jackson Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:39:49 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree the price is very reasonable... We'll be car pooling up. Myself and 3 students... (maybe 4 if we're lucky)... I look forward to seeing you all there. Regards, Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Taekwondo Club www.natkd.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Richards [mailto:mojakwan@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:59 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson > > <> > Come with a crew and split the costs. > > Third point, to those not thinking they can learn gain from other > styles: You people are nuts. Everything you learn you will apply > somehow to your everyday training. I promise. And even if you learn > nothing (yeah right), you will go away spending a little bit of cash > and meeting a whole lot of people who will help you, learn with you, > and stay in touch with you just as you were always a friend. If there > is one thing I have learned, dedicated black belts usually make > dedicated friends. > > <> > > Charlie, > > You are wise beyond your years :-) > A well written description of what goes on at Jackson. I too enjoy > competition, but you are dead on. I spent 6 hours weighing in, 8 hours > driving, and 3 nites hotel to compete about 15 minutes in AAU > Nationals. For half the money, I'm going to learn 100 times as much at > Jackson. I have been applying relaxed power Hapkido concepts to my > application of Tang Soo Do for about 8 years now. > > I am proud to say that I have doubled our attendance this year also. I > will have one 3rd gup Brown adult and one 6th gup Green teen both in my > room, and one 7th Gup Orange coed (she's gonna have to get her own > room). BTW, if any ladies are going to Jackson and want to share a > room with another lady, please email me off list. > > Yes, Jackson is VERY reasonable. I can stay for the entire seminar for > what my wife wants to spend per day at our upcoming disney vacation :-) > > Anyway you look at it, it's money well spent. Besides, when are you > gonna get another chance to see a grown man sporting capri pants :-) > > Yours in Jung Do, > > Charles Richards > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Small world Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Federation". Myself and Sijo Art Gitlin of Alameda, CA were the original > founding members of WOMAF with Kim as president and Garrison as vice president > and me as East Coast director. Ahh, small world. So you know Art. He is just up the road from me. Went to his school one time for a little seminar. Thanks for the info on Garrison. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: DavidWeatherly@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:53:50 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fighting Fans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone on list know where I can purchase a fighting fan?  I've found plenty Chinese style that say "kung fu" on them, but I'd like to find a Korean style fan. Thanks, David --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:56:27 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_Instructors?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Greg: ".....Is their any specific reasons Bruce, why you are no fan of WOMAF? Just curious...." The issue that I have with Mr. Garrison is pretty much the same one that I have with a number of folks who want to accellerate their way to a position of leadership in Hapkido. Its a matter of using a system to achieve a position of prominence as opposed to earning it through training and committment to a particular discipline. Now, before I say much more let me own that what I am sharing is deeply colored by my own view of traditional KMA. I am also a big boy and know the way that the world works much of the time. I just don't happen to agree with it very often. So heres' my take. Mr. Garrison was/is effectively an Aikido practitioner. Nothing wrong with that. He connected with a Korean national who lent authenticity to his practice of Hapkido. No problem there. He then represented himself as a Hapkido practitioner of standing. Now I have a problem. I am a Hapkido teacher. I can say that because I started at the bottom and worked my way up to where I am. What I teach and practice focuses on the Hapkido arts. I didn't bounce from one organization to another to get my grading, or earn rank in an art like Judo or Yudo or Aikido and get "grandfathered" into some Hapkido rank by the goodness of administrative largesse. I didn't play games with the Korean language and terms, establish and manipulate inter-relationships among various agencies, or suck up to Korean nationals to get their stamp of approval. In fact, as I write this I am currently negotiating my test for fourth dan with GM Myung which (please God) will take place early in 2004. If something happens to GM Myung, I can pretty much figure on remaining wherever he left me unless he himself makes some sort of provision for my advancement after he passes on. For me--- thats the way the system works. Thats what I "signed-up for" when I decided to follow this path. Now, in fairness to Mr. Garrison, perhaps his view of the Hapkido arts is not the same as mine. Perhaps he is more interested with establishing an agency or Network dedicated to commercial success. Fine--- lotta that going around these days. I just don't happen to agree with the method. But as I said earlier this is me looking at the Hapkido arts through my values rather than commercial reality. This is also the reason that I thought that it was unwise to ask folks on the DD for their opinions about specific personalities. Hope this helps clear-up my earlier comment. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:57:06 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Choe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick L wrote of Master Choe: >"We had lunch, and he exhibited the same traits as most Martial Artists." I would assume he would, over lunch. Most people put the food in their mouths. >"We should not think ourselves too different, or the lesson of his guilt is lost." Well, generally speaking, I don't go hacking at people in the parking lot with a samurai sword. How about you Bruce? Now that I'm done being obnoxious, I ought to mention that martial arts SHOULD pay attention to the example of Master Choe. Too many have some very strange ideas about when they can use their arts. I remember going to a local black belt test and watching one of my former students test. I had sent him to this academy because he wanted to train more often than I could provide. On his test, he took away a gun from his attacker (a neat trick if you can do that!), threw him to the ground, and then pointed the gun and said "bang, bang, bang!" His instructor approved and his parents (who are Quakers!) clapped and cheered. His new instructor was not very pleased when I told him after the test that the next time he threw someone to the ground, he should warn him to stay down before he pops three caps into him. Other instructors also teach "finishing moves" that might land their students in jail someday. For more on the perils of teaching the martial arts, see: http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd/travis.html Stepping to one side, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest