Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #347 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Garrison...Two Different Reality Tunnels (Stovall, Craig) 2. Negotiating Test (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 3. WOMAF (FirstPe315@aol.com) 4. Bruce's Comment (FirstPe315@aol.com) 5. Re: Fighting Fans (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Heniated disc (MJD1128@aol.com) 7. RE: Master James R. Garrison (Tammy & Greg Hindley) 8. Claims (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:53:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Garrison...Two Different Reality Tunnels Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow...Thursday morning just got interesting. Mr. Cyrus writes of James Garrison... <<>> Whereas,Mr. Sims writes of James Garrison... <<>> Hmmmm...I'm wondering whose reality tunnel is closer to objective reality. Is Mr. Garrison an old school traditionalist who cares about quality and standards (per Mr. Cyrus), or is he a nouveau capitalist/Johnny-Hapkido-Come-Lately who's leveraging his networking and leadership skills toward the pursuit of that "dollah dollah bill ya'll" (per Mr. Sims)? Who's got the goods? Enquiring minds want to know. Craig "Trolling the Information Super Highway" Stovall ;) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:13:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Negotiating Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, I understand exactly what you are talking about. I even agree with you, to a point. However, as I see it, one of the important values of organizations is that they provide a support mechanism to members, so that you don't have to be marooned at a given point in your martial art journey by the loss of your instructor. But I have never heard of anyone "negotiating a test" with their GM. I have always been asked by my instructors to test when they thought I was ready. Can you explain the "negotiating my test"? Good Luck! Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 3 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:13:18 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WOMAF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/14/2003 7:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Hapkido. My feeling is that WOMAF is small because Garrison is > uncompromising in > his expectation of its members. He is the consumate martial artists. Don't > think about training with him unless you are willing to toe the line and > work > very hard. He works hard at maintaining "yesterdays' standards". He would > rather > have one good student than one hundred substandard ones. I must say that, I > am the same way. You're right Ian. He thought a lot of you as well. And despite some of your differences, I think he always wanted you to maintain your membership. I enjoyed training with you on two occasions and I found your ability quite solid. You had a lot of respect of his black-belts. I'm sure he would appreciate your comments. You are quite honorable in your accolades despite your differences. There should be more like you that are able to walk that line. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 4 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:20:35 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce's Comment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/14/2003 7:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Now, in fairness to Mr. Garrison, perhaps his view of the Hapkido arts is > not the same as mine. Perhaps he is more interested with establishing an > agency or Network dedicated to commercial success. Fine--- lotta that going > around these days. I just don't happen to agree with the method. But as I > said earlier this is me looking at the Hapkido arts through my values > rather than commercial reality. This is also the reason that I thought that > it was unwise to ask folks on the DD for their opinions about specific > personalities. Hope this helps clear-up my earlier comment. > Bruce- As with a "few" topics you are way off base. Although Mr. Garrison began his training in Judo and Aikido about 40 years ago, his major focus of the last 30 has been Hapkido. His knowledge of Aikido and Judo, both having some relation to Hapkido, have made his knowledge and ability to apply information second to none. If you think Mr. Garrison is interested in "commercial success" you are really showing your lack of knowledge of him and WOMAF. If you think that "selling out" means putting your own money into your school and organization for the past 25 years at the expense of retiring early, losing money on seminars and having to ask students to help organize garage sales to generate some income for school purchases than I guess he is a sell-out. I'm damn glad to have been his student for 17 years and I guess that makes me a sell-out too. But I can tell you that neither one of us is a sell-out on the mat. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fighting Fans To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd check with a KSW school to see where they get theirs. Jye --- DavidWeatherly@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on list know where I can purchase a > fighting fan?  I've found > plenty Chinese style that say "kung fu" on them, but > I'd like to find a Korean > style fan. > > Thanks, > > David > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: MJD1128@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:58:33 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Heniated disc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to thank all the people that have replied. Its nice to get many different opinions before I have to make the final desicion. To answer some of your questions: Julie - I have a good friend who is a Chiropractor and also trains in BJJ with me..I have seen him 4 or 5 times and he has seen my MRI and Xrays. So far he hasnt had much luck...but we are still working on it. He suggested I see a Neurosugeon and I did on Wed. He said that they do PT if there is pain only...since I have lost much function with my left hand, he is being more aggressive. Greg - I have tried steroids, anti inflamatories and PT and so far no luck. I completely agree with that idea tha surgury should be a last resort...but Im very concerned about the function loss in my fingers and wrist. I also take Glucosamine...great stuff. Im 43 ..in very good shape...I train 6 days/week...BJJ/Hapkido/Boxing and i run 5 miles 4x / week...so I feel pretty good. The Neurosurgeon is one of the team docs for the Chicago Bears and was referred to me by a friend who used to play for the Bears. He feels very confident that the surgery will bring me back to 100%. I still havent made any desicions so I really appreciate everyones feedback. He also said that the treaments for lumbar injuries is different than cervical. They dont do the micro whatever they call it stuff for cervical spine discs. GM Timmerman - thanks for the heads up...the last thing I need to do is make it worse :) Ray - thanks for your input - I think that these kind of discussions and information sharing on the board are very productive and a great use of this medium. Thanks again...welcoming all input and experiences Mark --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Tammy & Greg Hindley" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:47:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Master James R. Garrison Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Ian & Bruce, Some info from The Pacific Rim Martial Arts Academy web site. I would never try to put Mr. Garrison into a few paragraphs as his experience and knowledge would encompass volumes in my opinion. I have the utmost respect for him and he has been involved in OUR community since 1972 I believe. After studying with him only a few years I have yet to find a teacher I enjoyed or learned more from. A close family member has been his student for over 15 years. Mr. Garrison and commercial / self promotion should not be associated with his background or integrity as a martial artist. He has not jumped rank but been promoted by Mr. Kim over the years since 1970. He has had a small school in Beaverton Oregon for 25+ years and never chained out. I agree that he would rather have one good black belt to represent WOMAF and PRMAA then to give hundreds of unqualified BB and bastardize the art of Hapkido. He does hold rank in Aikido but is a Hapkido practioner for 30+ years and Mr. Kim's personal student. If you would like more info go the the website http://www.prmaa.com Master James R. Garrison, 9th Dan began his training in Washington State in 1955 in Jujitsu and Judo. During those years, in addition to playing high school sports and working on his family's farm, he spent every spare moment practicing martial arts. He moved to Portland when he was accepted as a student of Oregon's first Caucasian Jujitsu Black Belt, Mr. Robert Dewer. The relationship, with Mr. Dewer, was the catalyst that shaped his martial arts training. At Mr. Dewer's small school, while training in Jujitsu, he was introduced to many other arts. The Vietnam War interrupted his training but his practice continued while overseas. During his one year in Texas he trained in Judo with Andy Cane, the then 3rd ranked Judoka in the United States, with Jhoon Rhee and Allen Steen in Korean Martial Arts as well as Lindy Kunashma in Aikido. During his two and a half years overseas (2 tours of duty in Vietnam), he trained with some of the world's best instructors in Judo, Hapkido, Jujitsu, TaeKwonDo, Aikido, Japanese Karate and weapons. He competed in Judo as a Navy Representative. Grandmaster James R. Garrison is the student of Grandmaster S.C. Kim, one of the world's most notable martial arts grandmasters. Mr. Garrison's martial arts experience spans over 40 years, having been awarded a Master's Teaching Certificate as well as the prestigious Hall of Fame Master Instructor, the Kodenkan Spirit Award, and the Most Valuable Instructor Award, among others. Professionally, Grandmaster Garrison is a licensed clinical social worker, having received his Masters of Social Work from Portland State University in 1973 and a Masters of Science in Psychology from Hayward State University in 1971. Within his private practice, his focus is on stress management, marriage enhancement, working with hard-to-reach clients, working with violent and aggressive clients, surviving abuse, detecting alcohol abuse with adolescents, and childhood development programs. While in Hong Kong he became involved in deep meditation and various massage and healing techniques. During his training in the Orient, he developed a profound philosophical outlook toward the martial arts. This prompted his more philosophical approach to the arts. Upon leaving the military in 1969, Mr. Garrison was able to meet and practice with Professors Wally Jay and Walter Todd as well as Tohei Sensei, who regularly visited Professor Todd's dojo. Mr. Garrison moved back to Portland in 1970 and with Robert Dewer's approval began Pacific Rim Martial Arts Academy. His relationship with Mr. Dewer continued until Mr. Dewer's death in 1980. While continuing his graduate studies at Portland State University and teaching martial arts, he met Grandmaster S.C. Kim and became Mr. Kim's original U.S. student. Since that time, Grandmaster Kim and Master Garrison have developed a close friendship and student/teacher bond. Grandmaster Garrison has made many trips to Korea and Japan to train with the best Hapkido, TaeKwonDo, Aikido, Jujitsu and Judo instructors. Master Garrison is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in private practice. Because of his expertise in mental health and martial arts, he is often asked by a variety of groups and organizations to lecture on the psychological aspects of the martial arts. He is actively involved in local community organizations and has been the recipient of numerous awards for his contributions in local and national community development. He has received many martial arts awards during his 45 years of training. Among these are some very unique awards. The Korean Hapkido Association honored him with their Letter of Appointment certificate recognizing him as a master or Hapkido and The World TaeKwonDo Federation gave him their highly guarded Certificate of Qualification which recognizes Master level instructors. Both of these certificates are very rarely given to non-Koreans. During a trip to Korea in 1986, the World TaeKwonDo Federation presented him with a prestigious award for his outstanding contribution as an official at the TaeKwonDo World Games. At the Jujitsu America National Convention in Sept. 1985, he was awarded the Kodenkan Spirit Award presented personally by Professor Wally Jay. At 59, Master Garrison continues to teach classes and provide seminars. He is Vice President of the World Oriental Martial Arts Federation and is responsible for technical direction in the United Stares. Grandmaster Garrison continues his forty-year relationship with O'Sensei Philip Porter and actively supports the United States Martial Arts Association of which O'Sensei Porter is president. Master Garrison holds a 9th Degree Black Belt in Jul Sool Kwon Hapkido, 9th Degree Black Belt in SSJK Jujitsu, 8th Degree Black Belt in Chung Do Kwan TaeKwonDo, 7th Degree Black Belt in Kodokan Judo and 6th Degree Black Belt in Aikido. He has written extensively and has contributed to every martial arts magazine as well as to various martial arts books. One example is Martial Arts Teachers on Teaching by Carol Wiley. He also has a series of instructional tapes on Hapkido and a Knife Certification course. Throughout his experience and practice, the following can sum up his philosophical position: "Begin with patience to understand that training is to enhance not only the body, but also the mind. With continuous body/mind training, knowledge of self will become more supple, clear and meaningful." - Master James R. Garrison Enjoy and learn. Never stop training Greg Hindley Peabody Kansas (Formerly of Beaverton Oregon) --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Claims Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > or integrity as a martial artist. He has not jumped rank but been > promoted by Mr. Kim over the years since 1970. In Hapkido only since 1970 and already a 9th Dan? > ... holds a 9th Degree Black Belt in Jul Sool Kwon Hapkido, > 9th Degree Black Belt in SSJK Jujitsu, 8th Degree Black Belt in Chung Do > Kwan TaeKwonDo, 7th Degree Black Belt in Kodokan Judo and 6th Degree > Black Belt in Aikido. Ok... Now I better understand why some are concerned... IMHO these types of claims will naturally concern those with a knowledge of the martial arts. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest