Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:10:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #352 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. software (Charles Richards) 2. Workout (Charles Richards) 3. Re: Better definition of control (jmchie@wideopenwest.com) 4. When martial artists grow up (Burdick, Dakin R) 5. Koryu Budo Matsuri - it's Japanese, but you might be interested anyways (Burdick, Dakin R) 6. Re: NH Hapkido seminar (Beungood@aol.com) 7. Morning routine (Ken McDonough) 8. Thoughts on realistuc training vs traditional training. (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] software Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> * Infolog function - ability to associate notes with each student like when their last goal setting session was, if they're going to be out for vacation, etc. * Testing Report - a printable report of the students eligible for testing. * Customized database fields - ability to add custom fields to student records so you can tailor the software to you own school's/organization's needs. <> Dear Ryan, I use MasterVision which is available directly through the vendor or I got my copy bundled with Stephen Oliver's marketing info. MasterVision allow notes, coding a student as temporary inactive with a return date (vacation) and a small notes section which shows up on the intro/info call screen and the selector report. The Who's testing and Belt Order list are two of my favorite reports. At this time it doesn't have customizable fields....but I can think of few things I'd like to track that I don't have in the database. For example, their is a field for billing service contract number and a field for Association number in addition to a database generated PIN. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Workout Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear John, Glad to welcome another TSD player to the list! My routine works best when I can get up at 0 dark 30 :-) Since I've had two kids there's been a little less than daily with that, but here goes. A Routine Yoga/stretching 10 minutes All open hand forms about 25 minutes Health for life Abs routine 5 minutes counting shower and getting dressed for work = 1 hour B routine Yoga/stretching Dynamic stretching my red belt requirements (combination kicks) (about 15 minutes) counting shower and getting dressed for work about 45 minutes Weekend weapons Staff Escrima Knife Sword ending with Ippon Mae (Iaido) and a longer sword form With my current work schedule and Daddy duty, it looks more like getting to my dojang 45 minutes before my first class and going through all my forms with as little pause as possible. I do the highest (Wansu) first and three times. I then work down in rank. If I'm not happy with any of the Dan level forms I do it again. THis way if I don't finish, I just do the gup forms during class, and by the time my earliest students get there I'm down to the Kicho Hyungs, which is what they need to see. On my off days from the dojang, I will take my two kids for a long walk. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Better definition of control Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:12:19 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: "Well, it is difficult to tell you not to take things so seriously, esp if your reason for training is for street self-defense." I would add to Ray's point (or counter, I'm not sure which) that if what you're looking for from sparring and martial arts training is street self defense you may not be in the optimal art, or at least the optimal school. Before anyone jumps all over me about how TKD is extra-fantastic for self-defense applications let me just point out that according to Landa's own description of her sparring environment there are "off-limits" sections to their sparring such as head, face, groin and vital points. I'm also assuming that while they allow take downs, they probably do not allow locks and it is probably difficult to incorporate really good break moves and joint strikes. IMO there is no way to translate this type of trainig effectively into good street level self defense, because you are conditioning your responses and by God that's exactly what you're going to do. Even if Landa is learning some more effective techniques, the act of sparring regularly with such limitations is probably ingraining into her motor skills no head, face or groin strikes. No locks. My only point of reference for this is two former TKD students who have come to train in our small class. Their reflex response is always TKD sport-sparring-style moves. Luckily one is big enough that you'd have to be insane to intentionally mix it up with him anyway, and the other is smart enough to have de-conditioned herself over time. I know this whole detour has been exceedingly tangental; it was not the question asked, and I know I stand a more than fair chance of getting flamed given the forum. Anyway back to the actual issue. As far as pushing too far in sparring, I don't have any good advice :) It really really sounds like you might be doing is panicking a little . . . that can make it very difficult to maintain your emotional and physical control. It's not the fact that you're emotional that's the problem, but that you have a fear that's causing anxiety and panic that unbalances your emotions. For example, if when you spar you are envisioning being attacked on the street at night, or you are envisioning your sparring partner as a mugger, rapist, murdered, etc . . . you are creating fear in your mind of all the bad things that could happen. That fear can very very easily make you overly aggressive. You might just have a fear of failure; one woman is our class believes very strongly that first-born children are more apt to not only outright fear failure but to punish themselves for it. This may be especially true if you are eager to impress your teachers or if you have performance anxiety in front of an audience. Once again, that fear can be strong enough to cause aggressiveness. Maybe if you told us more about what you're thinking and feeling during a round--just be as descriptive as possible regarding your emotions and thoughts. If it can help get to the root of your fear, you stand a better chance of grappling with it. Jim McHie Jr. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:44:12 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] When martial artists grow up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jack wrote: >".....I feel uncomfortable with this explanation. It seems as second guessing your grandmaster's knowledge and integrity. Is it maybe that you donot trust his judgement or feel he is a belt mill? It has a disrespectful feeel to it. But it's only my two cents....." Bruce replied: >Funny thing is that some years back I would have agreed with you without a second thought. In fact there was a time in my Hapkido career when I took various personalities pretty much at face value and the organization that they represented in much the same way. I understand where Jack & Ray are coming from, but I think Bruce has a point. When we start in a martial art, we pretty much have to take the word of the instructor that he is teaching us what he says he is. After that first 20 years in the arts, however, one tends to start thinking for oneself, which I would say is a very healthy thing. Our instructors cease to be deities, and often cease to be our instructors. If we are lucky, we still like them as practice partners and people. The point of being an instructor is not to maintain control over your students for the rest of their life (as we are so often told is the Confucian ideal) but rather to make them better than yourself so they can take over when you are gone, or so they can help you help other students. It becomes harder and harder for us to listen to other people, because we often know so much more than the other person does. My response to this is to keep seeking new ideas, which has meant largely turning from instructors to my students and practice partners. At that point, it is just a matter of how long you can still get out on the mat, right? And that's one thing I love about Bruce by the way -- he still gets out there and takes those flips and falls. Here's another comment of his I love: >I know that according to the way that most people handle KMA a Black Belt is not suppose to point-out that they DON'T know something. Guess what, there is a whole lot I want to investigate and letting my ego and personal embarrassment keep me from learning is pretty stupid in my book. Quite a while ago we had a long discussion about dignity in the martial arts, and I argued that it often got in the way of learning. If you are so afraid of making a mistake in public that you stop experimenting, I think you've stopped improving. I play with students now that are much faster and stronger and frankly, BETTER, than I am. They're 20 years younger than me, and I think I've done a good job in bringing them up to speed. If I was afraid of making a fool of myself, I would never get any better. Still making mistakes, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:53:24 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: "Dojang Digest" Subject: [The_Dojang] Koryu Budo Matsuri - it's Japanese, but you might be interested anyways Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings! The first Koryu Budo Matsuri (traditional Japanese martial arts festival) is coming up in one month. I hope everyone can join us for a wonderful time in Bloomington. The weather should be wonderful, and for Midwesterners this is first chance to see all of these folks in the same place without driving to Canada! The website is at: http://www.iub.edu/~iaido/matsuri.html Thanks go to all the participants, without whom it never would have happened! Hope to see you there! Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:55:40 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: NH Hapkido seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/18/03 6:05:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > just wanted to let you all know about a Jungki Hapkido seminar I will > >be teaching here at my Dojang on August 23, from 10:00 - 1:00. The > >topic will be Hapkido defense against Kicks, knives, punches, clubs > >etc. I will try to show the common thread of movement that is Hapkido. > > > >All are welcome. > > > >Miller's Korean Martial Arts > >66 Third Street suite 203 > >Dover, NH 03820 > $I went to Todd's last seminar and found him to be a great host and knowledgeable about Hapkido and also finer points about unbalancing an opponent. Very wortyh the small fee.. Jack O --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: martialfiles4u@yahoo.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Morning routine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. John Kedrowski wrote about his morning workout routine: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thoughts on realistuc training vs traditional training. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I find that many traditional schools lack realistic training for the street. now don't get me wrong, the moves we learn, the joint locks/breaks, pressure points, weapons, etc. can be used to effectively, but it the way(s) many of us train that lacks realism. For instance, many schools practice drills where they punch/kick air, or do forms, even weapons forms slicing through nothing but air. This is OK to allow some to grasp the idea of movements, targets etc. Now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with traditional martial arts, but I think it should be each grandmaster's or instructor's responsibility to have a supplement class of realistic training. Some ideas I have about realistic training deal with environment, scenarios, and plain ole common sense. Now in traditional classes you punch air, and yes I know some punch focus mitts, heavy bags etc...but let's take it from the top. First things first....we take the fundamentals, punches, kicks, blocks, take-downs, etc., and organize them in a systematic approach as close to the real thing as possible. First thing I'd do is start having class outside the dojang. What this does is shows the student the differences there are in the ground surfaces and this allows them to get the feel of the textures of the ground in different locations: gravel, dirt, sand, snow, mud, etc. This is very necessary because where you might be able to take someone's head off with your best kick (in the dojang) outside is another beast and the ground's texture might render your kicks useless, or maybe you'll be unable to deliver them like if fighting on an icy ground. Next still changing the environment, maybe train in a narrow or dark ally. This comes in handy because it will teach them to use what little space they have to do what they need to do to get to safety. Some places that come to mind are small public restrooms, allies, stairwell, hall way, etc. So what needs to be focused on here is close-quarters fighting, potentially no kicks, maybe knees, punches, elbows, etc. Still under the category of environment, let's change the lighting....find a dim, dark place. this will get the student out of their comfort zone, and will get them prepared for a possible attack in a similar environment. Also, in the different elements. We can all move freely when dry, but now show them the possibility of an attack in the rain, or at the beach when they are wet and weighed down, or when their clothes stick the them from being wet. Take the training to the woods, beach, concrete, etc. Now don't stay stuck in the predictable ways of attack of traditional training, be realistic. How many times in one steps or three steps we see stances that we don't see in the street? From my experience, how ever I'm standing when something jumps off is where my block strike, etc is going to be delivered. So now we must refine our traditional stance training. This doesn't mean completely through out what you've learned because people don't do it in the street. what this means is take what you've learned about good stances, and bad stances, and use that info against your opponent. More martial artists know what the balance proportions are supposed to be in certain stances, and can most likely spot the errors in almost any stance, so use that knowledge to your ability and exploit the errors in your opponent on the street. But back to our stances. My approach to stances in the street, is to not have one. I choose to use what I refer to as natural "postures". So if I'm standing with both arms up like someone is sticking me up, that's where my attack comes from. What about balance? Well let's say I'm at a bar, legs crossed, with a drink in my hand, nd some drunk person takes a swing, well first thing is to be aware at all times, then to block or evade from the posture I'm in to transition into a better posture for battle. So teaching a student to be able to attack, evade, parry, or block form natural postures is another piece of realistic training. Next thing is realistic sparring. Now some may not agree with how I spar in my circle but it is realistic sparring. I have 'gatherings' of martial artists from different backgrounds, including wrestling, and we all get together to spar, learn other systems secrets/native tactics, and to learn from each other. We don't use sparring equipment. We all have respect, control, and honor. Sometimes we get bruised, cuts, things of that nature, but over-all nothing critical. One what we do is use our entire body. By that I mean we don't have limitations as to what parts of the body we use to strike with. So for instance, tiger schulman and ninjutsu guys use rolls for attacks which would fall under whole body. Now I mentioned this in another group and people took things to the extreme....the goal here is "as realistic sparring as possible" which means we don't crush testicles, destroy knees, gouge out eyes, etc....what it means is we can sweep, elbow, knee, head-butt, etc., to safe parts of the body. so if I came with a technique that would put out your eyes, I'd either come close, or tap above your eyes to let you know you've been caught. Now this type of sparring really helps in a few ways. you improve on or learn timing, learn what will work for you, and what possibly wont. It teaches you to be able to defend yourself against different types of martial styles. but it also teaches you to defend yourself more completely then in traditional sparring. How can you defend against a knee attack if no one ever attacked your knee, or how about sweeps? so this in itself is great training because we pretty much cover everything I talked about a second ago with the environment because our gatherings took/take place in varied environments. Now let's talk about realistic self defense, and weapons. Realistic self defense is very important. Think about how you perform your self defense....do you square off with your attacker and the attack comes a SET way? a clean crisp attack? not in the streets! No in traditional class we learned the movements, fundamentals, technique, etc...now it's time to see if we REALLY LEARNED THEM! So now square off with your attacker and allow them to attack you with a fake knife in any way they choose, and you defend yourself. This right here will tell the tale about who can and has implemented their training into their 2nd nature file! Best thing to do is to wear some light colored gear and dip the fake knife in a red color and defend against the attack to see if your self defense needs improvement. Try the same with multiple attacks. so kick it up a notch and run these self defense drills in the various environments I mentioned! Here is an example I used in another group....scenario.... You're in a stairwell, 5 students walk up and down passed you but one is "the attacker". The kicker is you (or student) doesn't know who the attacker is, what type of attack they will perform or when they will! Now when that student gets ready, they attack without warning, use the dipped knife to see if while defending yourself you made it out alive, got cut, killed etc. This teaches a number of things, defending in various environments/scenarios, also teaches one to be alert for a possible attack...like be ready at all times. I'll end here and call it breathing time...lol End (part I) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest