Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:59:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #361 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. knee injury (TIBIDOR@aol.com) 2. In Reference to the Korean Karate (Stickfighter27@cs.com) 3. USTU Dan Certifications (Manuel Maldonado) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Tours_and_such_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Re: Counter punches (Scott) 6. Re: Burrese seminar review (ABurrese@aol.com) 7. Removing a sword edge (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20D?=) 8. MA regulation (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 9. Santa Rosa Schools (Charles Richards) 10. Martial arts and marriage (Wilson, Byron) 11. Punching in point tournaments (J T) 12. Re: Art of Fighting, without fighting (Eric David Newman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: TIBIDOR@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:11:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] knee injury Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, My name is Ed and I have been reading the digest for 2 weeks now and have enjoyed it thus far. Im very new to MA and im presently training in TKD since July 03 and last thursday while free sparing I made a big mistake and dislocated my right knee to the inside (left) heard 2 loud pops, and walked on it in about 5 minutes, blew it out later that night at work. now its super unstable and will pop out if im not careful when walking. i guess what im getting at is that has anyone had any problems like this and what kind of prognosis can I expect.... I am seeing an orthopedist on monday but im dying inside presently and im worried about continuing my training which ive grown to love. well any advise you all have will be greatly appriciated. Thank You, Ed --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:50:54 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] In Reference to the Korean Karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks guy's for your support on this one. I didnt want to put anyone in any hard place w/ the question. I was just doing research and asking questions on the subject. I understand where the most of you are coming from and that helps me alot. As the ChungDoKwan TKD I have found that is the common reference to the Korean Karate or Blue Cottage which is a twist of Shotokan flavor. Gosh you have to love the way you have to phrase it...LOL.... I think I have enough info from all your helpful ideas and other things I have read to make a lead on it and understand it. Fully maybe not....but enough to know what and where it may of originated from. Again thanks.. Cory Ballinger Indiana Martial Arts Academy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:09:09 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU Dan Certifications Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all as you all know I was out of the net for a while. I have one question everybody on this list knows I'm ITF so this question my be a bit dumb. I got an e-mail the other day from the USTU about them having their own Dan Certification program. Would this be legit? Just thought I'd ask. Being that I'm trying to blend both WTF & ITF systems into my school. Please any information would be helpful. Thank you Manuel Maldonado http://devoted.to/Taekwondo _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:24:33 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Tours_and_such_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: I was playing around with the ALTA VISTA search engine the other night and came up with www.parandeul.co.kr/gyong_overview.htm The tours were intersting the way they were set up but what caught my eye was that it did not seem to be the usual "this-is-the-Kukkiwon"-sort of KMA tour. So here come the questions. 1.) Has anyone had passing experience with any of the groups mentioned on the site including the Gyongdang, Sunmudo, or Kunmudo people? 2.) Has anyone had any experience with PKG tours? 3.) Is their a function for checking on the company regarding customer satisfaction? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:52:56 -0400 From: Scott To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Counter punches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> >My son (9 yrs old) has been practising TKD for 1.5 years now and has >good kicking skills and does fairly well in his school competitions. >However, he has been frustrated lately in competitions outside his >school >because he lost on points from punches (light punches). He favors an >attacking style and has no problem to match his skills with bigger kids > >but in the point sparring competition outside his school, he gets >punched >before he even gets to throw his kicks. > >TKDFather > ><> > Exit lurker mode. This is the funnest part of competition. Comming up against a new technique and finding a way to deal with it. That is real learning. Shows you your weakness and lets you correct it before you try it some place important. A common tactic in point competitions is the rush. When the match starts sprint forward and "tag" our opponent before they have a chance to react. This is a favorite tactic against TKD fighters because you cross the kicking range before the kicker can respond. Also TKDer's have a bad habbit of dropping thier arms at range and they are not ready to block when the distance changes. Three things for you to take or leave. One. Be quicker to respond. Catch them moving in. When using kicks you have to catch the person at kicking range. Legs are longer then arms and they should not be able to get the tag in if you catch them with your kick first. To do this learn to kick with your front foot. A quick front kick or side kick is more then enough to stop the rusher and score the point first. You will also want to know how to double a kick up. As rushers tend to look for and bat the first kick down. Straight forward kicks are preferable to round house, or 45 kicks, as they make the rusher move to the side or pause. Two. An "Attacking style" is not always the best tactic. Learn to kick moving away. since many point figthers perfer to work at hands range you will need to be able to move away to maintain kicking range. The best way to maintain kicking range is to move away is while kicking. The best example of this I have ever seen was at a Kung fu tournement in Midland MI. A TKD BB was facing a Kung fu fighter. When the fight started the KF charged forward. The TKD BB executed a beautiful jump back kick moving backward. Perfect shot to the solar plexis. I heard the KF guy sucking air from the bleachers and then he just dropped to the ground. Of course the TKD BB was disqualified for "Exessive force". But the fact was it was a perfectly preformed and controled technique. The other guy just didn't expect it or see it and ran right into it. Three. Point fighting is totally different then WTF TKD sparring. If you are going to fight there you need to watch and learn what techniques and stratagies are being used. Then you add skills to your reperoire to deal with them. First and foremost is the pick and move of scoreing points. In WTF you can stand and trade bash for bash with an opponent. If he hits you first but you hit him better you win. In point fighting think of it as fighting with cattle prods the first touch wins, so don't get touched. JM2CW Scott Returning to lurker mode. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:53:35 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Burrese seminar review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sharon wrote: >>Have dobok, will travel! A review of one of Alain's recent seminars: >> >>http://www.themartialist.com/0803/alain.htm >> >>Sharon Thanks Sharon, It was a fun seminar, hot, but fun, and I'm glad everyone had a good time, and I'm looking forward to going back to Boise next year where they are already planning another one that will have a lot more people. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:00:35 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20D?= To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Removing a sword edge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, Recently my instructor purchased a sword for me - its a nice basic one - stainless steel blade, 41 inches. The handle is a little heavy, but overall its pretty nice. It is not sharpened, but it still does have an edge that could "hack" if you weren't careful with it. As I'm just beginning training with it (Iaido-type drawing & basic attacks), I would like to take the edge off it completely. Does anyone have any experience with removing blade edges completely, and the best method for doing so, & also any problems encountered in the process? Thanks, Mark D. http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search --__--__-- Message: 8 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:41:28 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] MA regulation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From an acquaintance last week on how MA regulation is handled elsewhere in the world. Comments? Sharon ~~~~~~~~~~~ < Here in Singapore anyone practicing a martial art (not just black belts but beginners too) must register with the police MACU (martial arts control unit) which screens all applicants to see if convicted felons and other bad guys are learning how to fight, kill, whatever. < It is funny, you know.... right now I am in the process of starting up the Singapore American School Aikido Club again for this year and am registering 4th through 12th graders as well as some teachers. Each beginner must fill out a MACU form and provide a passport sized photo. I have been doing it for so many years that it seems normal. Now I know that this isn't the same as registering ones hands as lethal weapons and all, but it is close. > --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Santa Rosa Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Dear DD: Thank you to everyone who offered thoughts, articles, web resources, and encouragement both on and off the list regarding the possibilities for my mother in martial arts. The web resources offered are particularly helpful, and will make my mom very happy to know about. She lives in Santa Rosa, CA, so if anyone knows of an instructor that my mom may want to speak with in Santa Rosa, I'd be very happy to know of him or her. <> Dear Rain , >From the World Tang Soo Do website. I'd go with Fitness Fanatics with Master Jim DeBaca. 6th Dan ranking does not come easy from Shin, Jae Chul and I remember Master Debaca and his students from the 1992 San Diego world championship to be very personable. The paste follows http://www.worldtangsoodo.com/ Fitness Fanatics 5224 Aero Dr. Santa Rosa, CA 95403 (707) 544-5305 email: masterjim@fitnessfanatics.com Fitness Fanatics Master Jim DeBaca 5224 Aero Drive Santa Rosa, CA 95403 707-544-5305 Lopez Tang Soo Do Melodie Lopez Santa Rosa, CA 707-695-9073 Parkpoint Tang Soo Do Master Jerry Stine 1200 N. Dutton Ave. Santa Rosa, CA 95401 707-578-1640 Pil Seung, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:12:38 -0400 From: "Wilson, Byron" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial arts and marriage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net After reading Rudy's post on teaching martial arts and marriage, I couldn't agree more. In fact, with all of the kicking and screaming, I was a fourth Gup before I realized that the sign said "Martial Arts" instead of "Marital Arts". I was wondering when the good stuff was coming. :-) Byron Wilson [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Punching in point tournaments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok..I hit the return button instead of the tab button so my first post will make no sense. Anyway as I was about to say before I was rudely interrupted by my fat fingers: Most of my years of tournament experiences as been in the AKA/NASKA/Mid-West Circuit point tournaments. Here is what I have observed and found to have worked for me. Some better combinations to use is a back fist followed up by a side kick. One of the more popular combos to learn. The point fighters are aggressive because they just want three points to win. Unlike TKD tournaments where you get 1-2 minutes to make your points. With point tournaments I would recommend using angle of attacks since most likely the opponent will try for more linear offense. Overhead ridgehand (aka swimer's punch) is a nice one to get over the top. You can also have him use back fist quickly followed by reverse punch. You just have to keep in mind that he has to be more agressive in these tournaments. If he is dead set on kicking then use the angle of attacks it will be better. He will have to avoid then attack. Forget the blocking. Good luck to him. Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:25:00 -0500 (EST) From: Eric David Newman To: "Burdick, Dakin R" cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Art of Fighting, without fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net and let's not forget the judoka in for fraud - resulting in an 8k debt . . . or the other picked up on drug related charges. hmmmm? eric On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Burdick, Dakin R wrote: > > Mark Lasich wrote: > > >Does anyone remember which Bruce Lee movie he demonstrates the "Art of > Fighting without Fighting"? > > Ray has already identified this as from Enter the Dragon, and I think it > is a great lesson for kids! You should also know that is from the story > of the Japanese swordsman Musashi originally. Bruce was a brilliant > amalgamizer of martial lore. That means he stole from everybody. :) > And by the way, that's ok. Wally Jay calls it "borrowing." > > Ian Cyrus wrote: > > >Martial arts practitioners has long recognized the effectiveness of > striking > this point. This is why so many techniques are directed here. Finally, > all I > can say, is proceed with caution. > > Thanks Ian! I was wondering when someone would mention that it might > not be the best thing in the world to go around whacking one's students > and friends on that point! :) > > Bruce Sims wrote: > > "So much for all the high-toned talk about how KMA developes Character > and helps people to > become better persons." > > Yep. One of my students works at the local jail, so I've now had that > illusion thoroughly destroyed. This year's record: One capoeira man in > jail for shooting a man in the gut, one judo instructor in for criminal > trespass (I think - I can't remember the exact charge), and one > t'aekwondo man (another one of my students, as a matter of fact!) in for > statutory rape. All this in one little town. Sigh. I get closer to > taking up hiking every year! > > Take care, > > Dakin > dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest