Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:47:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #383 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: breathing in Forms (Buffy) 2. Re: breathing in Forms (Liv D) 3. Re: breathing in Forms (Dana Vaillancourt) 4. Re: Seminar notice (Chris LaCava) 5. Re: breathing in forms (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. Clarification... (Eric Walker) 7. Re: Cane Videos (ABurrese@aol.com) 8. Re: Jackson Seminar (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. Jackson seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 10. Tact in communication (Rudy Timmerman) 11. Keimyung International Conference on Korean Studies (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] breathing in Forms Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:20:16 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I've seen quite a few colored belts and even second degree black belts > breathing forcefully with each move in their forms. With age and rank > comes maturity, so most of the more experienced higher ranks do not > breath audibly during forms. When in doubt, do like the big dogs do! Sounds like the way to do it - when I was practicing Taekwondo our teacher breath loudly, but we had the Grand Master (can't remember his name) on visit. He did not breath at all :o) -- Thomas Blak Yellow Belt Hwa Rang Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Liv D" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] breathing in Forms Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 05:34:58 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Breathing loudly really depends on the person and how much strength they put into each movement. I have been told, make each action in your form as strong as possible. Forms require concentration, and if you don't focus on what you're doing, it looks sloppy - i'm a mere yellow belt right now, and i havent had as much training - only five times a week, so i'm still getting used to Taekwondo. Sometimes i breath loudly, sometimes i dont, but i feel that if i do breath out on each movement i have performed the action successfully and i have put effort into it. I am taught by Jin Tae Jong, and he said to me, train hard when you begin as a white belt, because you this is when you develop habits - make them good ones. So in conclusion, breathing loudly is a good thing, it's a sign you're putting effort into your form and concentrating, but if you're in your higher belts - you may not need to make any sound. Becaue you've developed the habit of putting force into your moves, and you've adapted to it. I may just be a yellow belt teenager, but i'm being taught well - dont frown upon me, because you were once the same. Cheers ^.^ >From: Ryan Nowakowski >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] breathing in Forms >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:59:47 -0500 > >On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:31:48AM +0300, gaby noufaily wrote: > > On saturday evening, there was a black belt exam in my country made by > > our Taekwondo federation. when the students were doing forms some of >them > > were?breathing loudly so one of the examiners stopped the exam and told > > them not to breath?loundly because it is not allowed in forms(poomsae, > > hyung...), so one of the teacher intterupted the exam and said it is > > written in the textbook of taekwondo, and as a martial artist we should > > breath loudly,and this is a refelx by his students and they cannot >change > > it?and this teacher is one of the best teacher and master and the most > > knowledgeable person in taekwondo?in our country and is the national > > taekwondo coach.I would like to know when we perform forms, what should > > we hear, my master told us before he died that only the unifrm should be > > heard .So I need your help or some information about this >issue.?thanks?Gaby > >I've seen quite a few colored belts and even second degree black belts >breathing forcefully with each move in their forms. With age and rank >comes maturity, so most of the more experienced higher ranks do not >breath audibly during forms. When in doubt, do like the big dogs do! > >-- >Ryan Nowakowski >4th Degree Black Belt >Certified Instructor - American Taekwondo Association >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dana Vaillancourt" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] breathing in Forms Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:08:43 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Nowakowski said: “I've seen quite a few colored belts and even second degree black belts breathing forcefully with each move in their forms. With age and rank comes maturity, so most of the more experienced higher ranks do not breath audibly during forms. When in doubt, do like the big dogs do!” This is an interesting statement. Interesting because by the higher ranks, one would think that you would be breathing the way you want to, silent or loudly, depending upon the focus of your forms, personality, and mood. I always encourage the lower ranks to breath with their techniques in forms, as it prevents them from passing out near the end!! Loudness in exhaling is a personal choice, like Kihaps, and I’ve heard a lot of variety. While I would note that I am not a fan of loud breathing (particularly if it is more audible that the Dobak snap), it is not like the hard-style forms are meant to be sneaking up on anyone either. As long as the breathing is not labored (i.e., out-of-shape), or detracting to others (i.e., loud or projection of really foul breath), I’d rather have the person showing they are breathing in the right spots as not. I will occasionally vary my breathing with my mood, but I’m still learning also!! Dana PS: “Big Dogs” tend to breath very loudly and your tongue should always be in your mouth!! :) _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:20:14 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Seminar notice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wanted to wish everyone a great time in Mississippi. Wish I could be joining y'all. :) Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:35:00 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breathing in forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I would like to know when we perform forms, what should we hear, my master told us before he died that only the unifrm should be heard .So I need your help or some information about this issue." i think its subjective. my first grandmaster and master told us to make a light expellation of breath. it was almost a hiss, but not a hard or loud one. some people took it to the extreme and sounded like trains or snakes, depending on how they chose to make the sound. my second master states that it should not be heard. breathing is important, but the action of breathing should not distract from the beauty and strength of the form. no choo choo trains. as i've studied with him, learned that it certainly is possible to breathe and perform with strength without making the loud exhalation. as far as facts? what the kukkiwon wants? i have no idea :). i would imagine its subjective. the first korean grandmaster trained at the yudo college, now yong in university. the second master trained with a well known korean grandmaster who is in the kukkiwon organization and then with another well known korean grandmaster. i have taught my students at beginning ranks to be sure to breathe loudly "uss" with their techniques. this is to facilitate good breathing. same with forms. helps the group stay together and catch the rhythm. as they come up in ranks, i have told them to drop out the volume, but continue with good breathing and power technique in forms. as one advances in rank, this doesnt seem to be a problem to make that change. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:26:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Clarification... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Burdick wrote: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wayne writes: > Ya'll come!! A great seminar, great folks, a gun show, and several > buffets, > what more could you want in a week-end. Hello Wayne. It is not fair to make me feel worse for not being able to come twice a year. I'll see you in March:) Folks, especially NKMAA members, I recommend you DON'T miss it, and have a safe trip going there everyone. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:08:07 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tact in communication Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > In reading and rereading the various posts about me and what has > happened > to me this last year, it has become apparent that Mr. Pointer, Mr. > Clay and > even the webmaster on BUDO-SEEK consider themselves to be authorities > on > what I think, what I intend, what I feel and what I believe. Hello Bruce: I also read some of the issues on Budo Seek, and I agree that the questions you asked were a legitimate form of freedom of speech. I also believe you were genuinely looking for answers, and it is unfortunate that you were banned for asking interesting questions. On the other hand, given the present state of communications between Korean martial artists, I think it is a given that some folks will react stronger than one might normally anticipate. I think some of the martial artists you are having problems with are simply reacting in self-defense. When reading some of the other posts these folks have placed, and aside of silly comments about slitting our wrists, it seems they can be quite civil and caring themselves. I have read your comments AND I have seen you on the mat. This has given me a better understanding of who Bruce is, and it makes it much easier to read your posts without coming to the conclusion you are just looking for trouble. FWIW, I believe you are genuinely interested in finding the truth about things that affect Korean martial arts; however, from casually reading your posts and NOT knowing you as a person, one might think you are simply a trouble maker looking to discredit people. IMHO, this is not so, and you are as humble and respectful as any good Korean martial artist around. Perhaps you should look at writing your posts in a manner that won't be taken as a direct confrontation. I believe that this will not only help you, it might actually get some of your questions answered and that is good for all of us:) In the end, whatever we write will be most certainly be read by people whom we might never see, and not just those whom we wish to antagonize. As such, the only way bystanders will know us is by the way they interpret the comments we make. It is our duty to make the contact these bystanders have with us relay the message that we are a caring group of martial artists who are interested in furthering Korean martial arts. The way I see it, we have a ways to go before anyone could believe we actually are not a bad bunch of people who enjoy martial art training. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Keimyung International Conference on Korean Studies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CALL FOR PAPERS KICKS 2004 (Keimyung International Conference on Korean Studies) In Celebration of the 50th Anniversary of Keimyung University [Theme] The Korean Beat: In Search of the Origins of Korean Culture [Date] Monday, 24 to Thursday, 27 May, 2004 [Venue] Keimyung University, Daegu, Korea Beat, or percussive rhythm, which provides the fundamental Gestalt of all traditional forms of music, may also be understood as underpinning the "universal musical nature" of humanity. Beat is perhaps one of the most important foundations for the formation of human world-views, lifestyles, and psychological symbols. This fact may well explain the current, immense popularity in Korea and around the world of the non-verbal percussion performance Nant'a (Pummeling). It is in this type of performance that the primal nature, which relies solely on rhythm, and the modern nature, which pursues simplicity, can coexist. Beat can be found in every corner of the world, displaying both regional and universal characteristics. The principle of beat can be found in the wavelength and rhythm of human consciousness, as well as in the mythical order that forms human ways of life. The purpose of this conference is to explore the specific nature of Korean beat and its contribution to Korean culture. In search of the original sources of Korean culture and even the basis of the human spirit it self, KICKS 2004 encourages an interdisciplinary approach to look at the importance of beat, interpreted in its widest sense. Scholars from a broad range of disciplines, including musicology, folklore, philosophy, language, culture, history, sociology, psychology, archaeology, anthropology, religion, art, performance arts, and so on are therefore urged to apply. The conference will be held from Monday, 24 to Thursday, 27 May, 2004 at the Campus of Keimyung University in commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the university's founding. Senior and junior scholars, including doctoral candidates, are encouraged to participate, and panel proposals comprising papers related to the topics outlined above are most welcome. All participants selected to present papers will be provided with free board and accommodation for the duration of the conference. Support for travel expenses for participants from abroad is also currently being sought from funding bodies in Korea, and further information will be provided when it becomes available. The official languages of the conference will be Korean and English, and those wishing to participate should send in an outline of their presentation covering no more than one sheet of A4 paper by 30 November 2003. During the conference period major performances of Korean music and dance are planned as well as visits to traditional cultural sites in the Daegu area, so that conference participants may also have the opportunity to experience Korean culture directly. Applications should be sent by e-mail to the chair of the conference organizing committee, Dr. Tschung-Sun Kim: acta@kmu.ac.kr. For more detailed information, please visit our website at www.actakoreana.org. ACADEMA KOREANA KEIMYUNG UNIVERSITY --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest