Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:00:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #384 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Tai Chi/Kung Fu (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 2. Breathing (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Not_all_breathing_is_created_equal.....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. J.R.s Seminar's (michael tomlinson) 5. Staff Work? (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tact_in_Communication_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. Korean Taichi/Kung-fu (Jonathan Payne) 8. Strange comments (Ray Terry) 9. RE: Tai Chi/Kung Fu (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 10. KHF information (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Breathing (Jye nigma) 12. Re: Re:_Not_all_breathing_is_created_equal..... (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:13:03 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tai Chi/Kung Fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << I met gentlemen at friend's health club, while working out and he demonstrated a Tea Cup form for us.>> Might you be talking about the "Serving Tea" exercises of Bagua? Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com www.SextonsHapkido.com www.AikiTouch.us --__--__-- Message: 2 From: To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:14:53 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The better you get, the less breathing you have to do...period...and quieter! Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com www.SextonsHapkido.com www.AikiTouch.us --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:02:44 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Not_all_breathing_is_created_equal.....?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: Before I start I want you to know that I am taking a page from Rudys' suggestions in the last volume. Therefore I am starting this post off with a disclaimer that I am not discrediting anyones' teacher/teaching regarding breathing and martial arts but simply drawing on my own experience. That said, let me go on to say that breathing is not simply a matter of causing breath to go in and out of ones' lungs. Rather, in the matter of martial arts, meditation, systematic desensitization and so forth it is a matter of causing a behavior to synchronize with the natural rythyms and processes of the body. Different behaviors, rythyms and processes need to be "synched" differently. For instance I would not use "dynamic" (aka diaphramatic or "dan jon") breathing for shikentaza meditation. Nor would I use it for yoga or relaxation. I would not use slow abdominal breathing for performing hyung. In fact, I don't necessarily breath the same for all of the hyung whether they are different disciplines (say, sword versus MTHand) or even within the same discipline. And some forms of breathing I refuse to use at all. "Reverse Breathing" where one inhales while pressing down on the diaphram should be banned across the board. I don't care if somebody of Miyagi's standing introduced it or not. The rule of thumb that I follow in MTHand breathing forms is to inhale on the action and exhale on the reaction. Raise hand to strike (action-inhale) vs drop hand to strike and exhale. I don't TRY to make noise. If noise comes out-- deal with it. If you throw me on the mat the exhale will be quite a bit more forceful, and a lot more noisey. I don't subscribe to any of those philosophies about being silent when it means that a person restricts his own breathing. Who am I trying to impress? I also try not to do anything particularly "unique" with my breathing. Except for meditation, if my body needs air I give it air. I don't find a blue complexion particularly appealing. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:08:55 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] J.R.s Seminar's Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can't make the one in Jackson but I'm dang sure gonna be at the one in Florida October the 4th... have fun dudes and throw someone for me... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:13:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Staff Work? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just to let you know, I also sell this book and have several in stock at http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/store.htm. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com <<<".....This book does not come up in an Amazon search. Who is the author?...." << To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tact_in_Communication_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: "..... Perhaps you should look at writing your posts in a manner that won't be taken as a direct confrontation. I believe that this will not only help you, it might actually get some of your questions answered and that is good for all of us:)......" As always your guidance is not just welcomed but speaks right to the heart of the matter. It must have seemed odd to see an apology from me regarding a post from someone else ABOUT me, however, your post hits the nail right on the head. Had I been a gun-maker and someone had used one of my pieces in a crime I would have still felt the need to acknowledge my part in whatever evil had occurred. It is not enough to say that I didn't "intend" a particular result. It is, in my opinion, much more important to examine in what way whatever I had done could have been turned to perpetuate conflict. After all, I teach my students that the role of the warrior is to stop conflict, yes? I can still remember the Arab in the movie THE 13TH WARRIOR making his peace before the final battle. ("For all we might have said, and have not said; for all we might have thought and have not thought....."). Looking back over the various posts on BUDO-SEEK it is easy for me to see that my posts were not measurably different from others. However, it remains that for whatever reason, my posts were turned to the use of keeping antagonisms going even after Hackworth and I had exchanged pleasantries and the only ones keeping such misery going were the by- standers. This also allowed those folks to put people like Ray, or Jeremy, Rudy, JR---- whoever--- into the same basket simply by association. None of this has done any good for the folks here who are working hard to keep the integrity of the arts to a decent level. OK, so, enough said. However, I will be doing my best to follow Rudys' suggestion and see if we (I) can keep conflict to a minimum at least in the area of the Universe in which we/I reside. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jonathan Payne" To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:45:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Taichi/Kung-fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Thomas, Look up Grandmaster Yi Won Ik?Tukong Martial Arts in Austin. Mr. Vince Cobolis (spelling) is also a good source of Ip Sun. Jon Payne --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Strange comments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... Had I been a gun-maker and someone had used one of my pieces > in a crime I would have still felt the need to acknowledge my part in > whatever evil had occurred. This is a very strange comment... I hope you feel likewise if you made cars and one of them killed someone in an auto accident. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Tai Chi/Kung Fu Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:45:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First moves are a Joon Bee position holding a cup in your right hand palm up at your side. Then you step forward with the right foot while doing a downward open hand parry with the left hand (similar to the hand under the elbow in the spear hand in Dan Gun Hyung). Then step forward with the left foot in a cat stance extending the hand with the cup forward... If that helps give a reference point. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com [mailto:SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:13 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Tai Chi/Kung Fu > > << I met gentlemen at friend's health club, while working > out and he demonstrated a Tea Cup form for us.>> > > > Might you be talking about the "Serving Tea" exercises of Bagua? > > > Randall Sexton > www.LaughingHara.com > www.SextonsHapkido.com > www.AikiTouch.us > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF information Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Info from the Korea Hapkido Federation. Forwarded message: The KHF Dan Rank Test and Application Writer : S.B. Bae Only the KHF Dan Rank Exam. Committee have the right to test students for Dan. All masters only have the right to let their students apply to the Dan test. But still some more prerequisites. 1. You have to be a certified KHF master. To get the KHF Master's Certificate, You have to be higher than 4th Dan of the KHF and have to complete the KHF Master's Course. Only the registered masters can hold the right to send their students to the Dan test. The master's seminar is usually in the last week of the April every year. So for masters who need the certificate right now to open their own Dojang(school), the KHF ask them to submit a written promise for the coming master's seminar and the fee. Then the KHF issues them the certificate. The fee is about 200 US$. 2. You have to register your school to the KHF in your name. Students registered there are regarded as the KHF students. And only they are possible to get the KHF Dan. For school registration, the KHF charges 500 US$ for all schools without exception. But for schools outside of Korea, the KHF is going to set up a special period for free registration, for example, by the June 2004. Sung Book Bae Director, the Korea Hapkido Federation --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Breathing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The better one gets doing deep breating it should become 2nd nature. I find it funny at times that I no longer breath with my shoulders going up and down....but with my abdomen pushing out. Even when I yawn. Breathing should be smooth, and even ....even when doing exercises, there should be a constant rhythm. Jye --- SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com wrote: > The better you get, the less breathing you have to > do...period...and quieter! > > Randall Sexton > www.LaughingHara.com > www.SextonsHapkido.com > www.AikiTouch.us > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re:_Not_all_breathing_is_created_equal..... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I totally agree. Tell me more about this breathing and pressing on the diaphram. Never heard of this but it sounds extremely dangerous! Jye --- bsims@midwesthapkido.com wrote: > Dear Folks: > > Before I start I want you to know that I am taking a > page from Rudys' > suggestions in the last volume. Therefore I am > starting this post off with > a disclaimer that I am not discrediting anyones' > teacher/teaching regarding > breathing and martial arts but simply drawing on my > own experience. That > said, let me go on to say that breathing is not > simply a matter of causing > breath to go in and out of ones' lungs. Rather, in > the matter of martial > arts, meditation, systematic desensitization and so > forth it is a matter of > causing a behavior to synchronize with the natural > rythyms and processes of > the body. Different behaviors, rythyms and processes > need to be "synched" > differently. For instance I would not use "dynamic" > (aka diaphramatic > or "dan jon") breathing for shikentaza meditation. > Nor would I use it for > yoga or relaxation. I would not use slow abdominal > breathing for performing > hyung. In fact, I don't necessarily breath the same > for all of the hyung > whether they are different disciplines (say, sword > versus MTHand) or even > within the same discipline. And some forms of > breathing I refuse to use at > all. "Reverse Breathing" where one inhales while > pressing down on the > diaphram should be banned across the board. I don't > care if somebody of > Miyagi's standing introduced it or not. > > The rule of thumb that I follow in MTHand breathing > forms is to inhale on > the action and exhale on the reaction. Raise hand to > strike (action-inhale) > vs drop hand to strike and exhale. I don't TRY to > make noise. If noise > comes out-- deal with it. If you throw me on the mat > the exhale will be > quite a bit more forceful, and a lot more noisey. I > don't subscribe to any > of those philosophies about being silent when it > means that a person > restricts his own breathing. Who am I trying to > impress? I also try not to > do anything particularly "unique" with my breathing. > Except for meditation, > if my body needs air I give it air. I don't find a > blue complexion > particularly appealing. FWIW. > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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