Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:38:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #386 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Breathing (DPRYGA) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Style_training_versus_individual_training?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Dan_Test (Luc T. Nguyen) 4. Re: Alabama Slam! (Wilson, Byron) 5. breathing (Chris Hamilton) 6. Re: Tai Chi/Kung Fu (Neil Abbott) 7. RE: Re: Tai Chi/Kung Fu (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 8. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter September 2003 (Ray Terry) 9. [Policedo] Free Upgrade of Ultima/Ultimax Vests (fwd) (Ray Terry) 10. Re: Re: Breathing (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:23:51 -0500 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The better you get, the less breathing you have to do...period...and quieter! I see the consensus so far on this issue (for the most part) has been that the breathing should be progressively quieter. What is the advantage of breathing quieter, or less, during form practice? ie: More power?... techniques work better vs. attacker?... Better for health? What are the drawbacks of breathing forcefully, or loudly? Does it make techniques less effective?...is it bad for your health? BTW, No Mississippi trip for me this weekend either, I won't miss the heat, but I'll sure miss seeing everyone. (ok, I'll really miss the Ding How and Woods ;)............Dave Pryga --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:22 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Style_training_versus_individual_training?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just an odd thought. ".....Second, they taught us that focusing on a specific range could end a fight much quicker than learning thousands of techniques in a all of the ranges. Kano introduced the idea of keeping his people locked into training solely in unarmed combat until about 2nd black, after which he slowly began to introduce common weapons (mainly to appease the older styles that had come to be represented in the Kodokan consortium)....." I understand the need to focus on a narrow range of fighting options and then polishing those to a high degree. What I think of differently is WHOSE responsibility this is. In Hapkido if I learn 200 techniques, I guarentee that MY personal kit of 25 Tried-&True techniques is going to be different from those of another student in the same class. However, to automatically teach only those 25 techniques to my students when I am a teacher is a disservice to the art and the student. I believe each student should learn the same 200 techniques and make their own personal decision about what will wind up in their personal catalogue of techniques. After a few generations those techniques which are regularly un-practiced will inadvertantly fall to the wayside while other material which pops up time and again will gradually become part of the overall catalogue of 200 techniques. But I don't think it will happen simply because one person decides to make alterations in the curriculum within a single lifetime. Afterall, even with Funakoshi and Kano, there were still people who went back to pre-cursor arts like Okinawa- Te and Kito-ryu Ju-jutsu, rather than settle for Shotokan Karate or Kodokan Judo. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Luc T. Nguyen" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:02:27 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan_Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, "1.) So a stranger who has never trained me is going to assess my skill based on what he sees in an afternoon, right? His curriculum or mine? " How is this different from taking a driver license test? or a bar exam? or a SAT, or a CPA exam, etc. There are lots of tests we have to take in our personal and professional life that are graded by strangers. Can someone learns enough to pass these tests. Definitely. And we all know of incompetent doctors, lawyers, ... Martial arts is one case where faking it is a little harder. You can always teach a black belt form/hyung to a white belt but he/she will not be able to perform it like a real blackbelt with many years of training. If a white belt can perform like a blackbelt then may be he/she deserves to be a blackbelt. To me, paying moneys for a test and something to hang on the wall is a business transaction, pure and simple. You can succeed with or without that piece of paper, and there are plenty of examples of both cases. I know that you are planning to test for your 4th dan. Why do you want to do that? Who are you trying to impress? What are you trying to prove? I am not trying to be disrespectful and I am not looking for answers to those questions. I asked those questions to make the point that if you think that you are good enough to be a 4th dan, and your instructor agrees, then the testing is just a formality. It does not matter who is judging you. You are just paying for a piece of paper that is of some commercial/personal/emotional value to you. Just my opinion. Luc Nguyen IV Dan TKD and not planning to test anymore --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:07:58 -0400 From: "Wilson, Byron" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Alabama Slam! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net [Wilson, Byron] Hey, Master Timmerman, now you have gone too far! I am referring to your comment "And when all is said and done with me and my fancy wallpaper, is the Hapkido any more authentic? Is the swordwork still something someone made- up so it can be taught to people in Alabama who don't know the diff?" Being from Alabama and being raised in Tennessee, I am very regionally sensitive regarding put-downs from those of the "northern persuasion". You need to be more regionally inclusive and celebrate its diversity. (In case anyone takes this seriously, my tongue is firmly in my cheek.) (Yes, it's a chew). --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:14:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One very simple reason not to breathe perceptibly or forcefully is that a trained martial artist will exploit this by striking on the inhale. Chris in BR --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Neil Abbott" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:47:45 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tai Chi/Kung Fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jason E. Thomas wrote: Then you step forward with the right foot while doing a downward open hand parry with the left hand (similar to the hand under the elbow in the spear hand in Dan Gun Hyung). No spear hand strikes in Dan-Gun Tul, do you mean Do-San? :) Yours in (light hearted) nit-picking mode, Neil. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Tai Chi/Kung Fu Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:43:03 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You're correct... I meant Do-San... ;) Thanks for catching that... Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Abbott [mailto:n_abbott40@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:48 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tai Chi/Kung Fu > > Jason E. Thomas wrote: > > Then you step forward with the right foot while > doing a downward open hand parry with the left hand (similar to the hand > under the elbow in the spear hand in Dan Gun Hyung). > > No spear hand strikes in Dan-Gun Tul, do you mean Do-San? :) > > Yours in (light hearted) nit-picking mode, > > Neil. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter September 2003 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Greetings! Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for September 2003. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms, including WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue: *New AAU Year Begins! *USOC Says USTU Not in Compliance *Ft. Lauderdale Leading Candidate For 2004 Nationals *Team Trials At UNLV *AAU Junior Olympic Games Results Now Online *Tournament & Events Schedule *New AAU Year Begins! September 1 marked the beginning of the new AAU year so don't forget to register your club or school and your students on the AAU website. To register go to Online Registration at: http://www.aautaekwondo.org. *USOC Says USTU Not in Compliance Taekwondo's governing body is close to losing its membership with the U.S. Olympic Committee, and with it the ability to send its athletes to the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens that begin in less than a year from now. A USOC committee has determined the Colorado Springs-based U.S. Taekwondo Union is "not in compliance with the requirements for membership as an Olympic Sports Organization or recognition as an NGB (national governing body)." In an Aug. 1 letter to USTU executive director Bruce Harris, USOC membership and credentials committee chair Thomas Satrom wrote that his committee is planning to recommend at the USOC's Oct. 17-19 board meeting the USTU's charter be revoked. The USTU is on the membership and credentials committee meeting agenda for Sept. 12-13, where the USTU representatives have a chance to argue why the should remain in the USOC. *Ft. Lauderdale Leading Candidate For 2004 Nationals AAU National Sport Chair Mike Friello reports that Ft. Lauderdale, Florida is the leading candidate for the site of the 2003 National AAU Youth And Adult Taekwondo Championship. *Team Trials At UNLV The campus of UNLV in Las Vegas will be the location for the team trials for the AAU National Team, which will be held October 11 and 12. The weight-in will be held October 11 with competition on the 12th. A block of rooms has been reserved at the Comfort Inn, which is within walking distance to the campus. 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Over that same period, the company has documented over 900 officers lives saved, more than any other body armor manufacturer. _______________________________________________ Policedo mailing list Policedo@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/policedo --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Breathing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well I don't know about the better you get the quieter(sp?) your breathing should be, but you will know when to breath certain ways. For instance, in doing something like lifting something heavy you may want to use steady, flowing breathing, and for a forceful strike you may want to use a sharp exhale....to give a better description, some kung fu forms when you strike you release your energy and breathe through a yell that sounds like "HA!". Then in chi focused styles, you focus on smoother breathing. Jye --- DPRYGA wrote: > I see the consensus so far on this issue (for the > most part) has been that > the breathing should be progressively quieter. What > is the advantage of > breathing quieter, or less, during form practice? > ie: More power?... > techniques work better vs. attacker?... Better for > health? What are the > drawbacks of breathing forcefully, or loudly? Does > it make techniques less > effective?...is it bad for your health? > BTW, > No Mississippi trip for me this weekend either, I > won't miss the heat, but > I'll sure miss seeing everyone. > (ok, I'll really miss the Ding How and Woods > ;)............Dave Pryga > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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