Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:44:11 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #397 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Mrs. West (TKDgalSamm@aol.com) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #394 - Great Sadness (Raymond Navarro) 3. RE: Newest Micro Mugger (Buffy) 4. Nunchuka Video Help (Dave Wilson) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Power_of_10_Minutes?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. Re: Young black belts (K. Barends) 7. re: Bruce on standardization............ (Lasich, Mark D.) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Covering_your_holes?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. re: young Black Belts (Lasich, Mark D.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: TKDgalSamm@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:51:01 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mrs. West Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am so terribly sorry to hear this news regarding Mrs. Renee West. It is a stunning loss to the martial arts community in Jackson, MS. There are not many female martial artists anywhere who have achieved what she has. I am so so sorry for your loss, Master West. What a tragedy ... please, do not hesitate to let me know of any way I may be of service or help. My deepest heart felt sympathy, and my prayers, are with her family and her friends. Respectfully, Loretta Harwell --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:36:02 -0700 From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #394 - Great Sadness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master West; be blessed and may God grant you the strength permit your resignation give you an opend mind. I, Ramon Navarro from the country of Panama would like to let you remember that no one can really know your feelings about your loss but be sertain that in gods hand your wife can be in no beter place. Also to say that I am with you in your condolence' feeling and she will alway be with you for the rest of your life and is still alive as long as your love and your feelings keep in mind her life sharing with you and keep her love alive in your mind. With your respect sir. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo HapKiDo International Panama Republic of Panama. _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Newest Micro Mugger Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:57:27 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Now this sounds more like it :o) My daughter is 2 years old and she has learned to kihap. Next year I will start her at gymnastics so she can develpe her motor skills. Then I will start training her in Hwa Rang Do ... just the basics (like Charles). Don't think I can teach her to pee standing up though :oD Thomas. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Charles Richards [mailto:mojakwan@yahoo.com] Sendt: 15. september 2003 18:01 Til: Dojang Digest Emne: [The_Dojang] Newest Micro Mugger 3.5 year old blackbelt...do what? My son received a Dobohk for his third birthday. I allow the frequency and length of his lessons to vary with his attention span (5-15 minutes). Tuesday is our scheduled evening. In 9 short months he has learned 1. Attention, bow 2. Jab 3. Front Kick 4. Kihap 5. How to pee standing up and change his own pull-up I have to tie his Dobohk top and belt. I'm considering his 9th gup test to advanced white belt at age 4 in December, and letting him come to youth classes at age 5 if he makes it to 8th gup yellow belt by then. I guess I'll have to add a section to my blackbelt requirements. Must have graduated to "big boy" underwear.... Just my $0.10 worth my $0.02 worth is free (Eminem) Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dave Wilson" To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:06:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Nunchuka Video Help Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone happen to have a copy of ESPN videos called "Dynamic Nunchuka 1" and "Dynamic Nunchuka 2". They were made in the early 90's. If you have them I would appreciate it if you would contact me dlwilson@flash.net. Thank in advance. Dave --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:46:05 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Power_of_10_Minutes?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: I think people have become used to my effusive comments about how great the Internationales are in Jackson. And just about everyone has had a chance to get to know my thoughts on what an organization needs to be doing for its membership. So it would be the most natural thing in the world to put these two themes together and once again thank JR for yet another stunning experience on and off the mat, right? Well--- yes and no. Yes, because JR has developed an institution that has become a well- respected event twice a year; a beacon for practitioners and a model for how things can be done the right way. But, I must tell you that the high- point of my experience actually had nothing to do with being on the mat. Rather it was contained in an all to brief 10 minutes I was able to spend with one of the premier leaders in Korean martial arts. I'm not saying that I could not have called Dr. Kimm on the phone, attended a Hanmudo seminar or written a letter and not expected the same gracious, patient indulgence. What I am saying is that after almost two years of researching material on BON KUK GUEM BUP, Dr. Kimm was able in 10 minutes to identify the players I was speaking of, frame them relative to each other, and explain their influence on the material I was researching. It was the sort of fluid economy with information that many of us only dream of happening with our techniques on the mat. In the end a new door had ben opened wide for me and I have been able to fill a whole flight back to Chicago with various thoughts on which directions to go next. Folks, I won't for a moment say that I didn't enjoy meeting Ray Terry, finally, after years of posting here. And getting a chance to discuss forms with Mac, health concerns with Rich and Jere, and bask in the warmth of the single Best Host around always leaves me on a high. There is no comparison, however, to an experience that opens a door to a whole new way of seeing something one holds passionately. There is no comparison to experiencing a Master execute his role as a teacher as did Dr. Kimm. And there is no way I can express my heartfelt thanks to JR and Dr. Kimm for causing the experience to happen. For me this is the essence of what words like "leadership" and "teaching" are about. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:50:24 +0200 From: "K. Barends" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Young black belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Okay so now, let me see if I heard this correct. A 3 1/2 basically > 3yr old > and a 5yr old recieving black belts in TKD. This is outta control. > Thier is > no way a child of those ages can understand the concepts of holding a > black > belt. Just curious. What are the concepts of holding a black belt??? Isn't that something you (and many other with you, including me) have made up yourselve? What is it with this black belt myth?? Wearing a black belt isn't the end station, it's merely the beginning. In Korea so see lots of young children wearing a black belt (althoug I've never met a three year old wearing one). The kids receive their black belt after about one and a half or two years of training. Which means that in the last two years they have learned the basics of a martial art. (basic kicking, basic falling, basic stances, basic strikes etc.) Their bodies have been prepared to handle some more advanced techniques. Kids who receive their dan under the age of 16 from the IHF get a junior black belt (you can see it on their belt). But in the west a student testing for his/her black belt must demonstrates much more advanced skills then just the basics. So there is a difference in approach. On the whole, we made up the black belt myth, now we have to live with people taking (bad) commercial advantage of it. > This is my first time writing to the digest. I cannot possibly keep silent > any longer. I'm 24 years old and I'm currently 3rd dan in Tang Soo Do. Been > training for almost 13 years. I know a lot of people who consider a guy who's just 24 and allready wears a 3rd dan just as ridiculous as a 3-year-old wearing a black belt. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Bruce on standardization............ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, The American Taekwondo Association also has a well defined approach to teaching that works fairly well across the board. Our Instructor's manual is probably a 5" thick binder with information on philosophy, physical requirements, setting up for testings, etc. For the physical requirements, there are recommendations on what to be teaching at specific points within a testing cycle, and even different drills that can be used. At times it really seems like information overload. However, this doesn't mean you must teach by using their drills, etc., but it does provide a quick resource to refer to to get "back on track". In 2000 our Grandmaster H.U. Lee passed away. He worked very hard to ensure a smooth transition after his passing. Even after testing for and being promoted to 9th degree, current Granmaster Soon Ho Lee still retains the guidance of the Master's Council, which is comprised of high ranking ATA officials. They all work together to sustain Eternal Grandmaster Lee's vision. In the spirit, Mark Jye wrote: >This reminds me of ninjutsu. In theory everyone in the >system should be teaching similarly across the board. >I like that idea, but one bad thing is what happens if >GM Kim dies unexpectedly? >I think when a soke or head/founder of a system dies >there needs to be some type of protection for the art >so that other factions don't get started....you know >to protect the art. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:57:51 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Covering_your_holes?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jye: ".....I like that idea, but one bad thing is what happens if GM Kim dies unexpectedly?...." In using a sword the trick is not to cut or thrust all by itself but to do so without opening a vulnerable spot or "hole" through which the opponent can attack as one PREPARES to cut or thrust. I use this as a way of saying that you have hit on a vey important point in your post. Even though most traditionalists would agree that GM Kim (TSD) is doing something right in his performance and organization it has always been a weak spot (a "hole") in executing when it comes to passing this execution on to the next generation. To my way of thinking it is not enough to simply model the behavior, though this is important. Once a leader has shown that something is important, it is also necessary for them to make sure that the next generation knows WHY that is important and what the benefits are to doing things a particular way. The modeling goes just so far. The other half of the issue is to make sure that engaged individuals in the next generation are organized and appreciative of the organizations goals. As I see it, the best way to do this is to identify a pool of candidates who will manage affairs if the identified leader is lost or impaired. I think it is also necessary that the current leader make sure that there is some general consensus for supporting a particular individual or process for making decisions. In this way, the effort put into establishing and maintaining a curriculum, organizational goals and cohesion of the art by the current leader is not lost should the leader be lost. What do you think? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:02:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: young Black Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While I agree that 3 1/2, 5, 10, 40 (he, he)........ may be entirely too young to appreciate and live up to the expectations of being a Black Belt, I would like to point out that it has been said repeatedly that the Black Belt is just a beginning, not an end. Too many times we find students of the "proper age" (whatever that may be in your book), who strive to earn their Black Belt - only to quit once they've earned it! To them, this was THE goal, once earned, to be put behind them! To many of us here, it would be like turning down the opportunity to run, once you've learned to walk! Perhaps these young Black Belts WILL continue, and for them it WILL be just a beginning......we can only hope! Again, I firmly believe this is entirely too young, but just wanted to present a different perspective! In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest