Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:44:16 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #398 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. 3.5 year old belts (Dr. Daryl Covington) 2. CDT Training (Richard Zaruba) 3. Re: Teaching Babies (ABurrese@aol.com) 4. Standardization (Brian Beach) 5. Young (or old) black belts (Dennis McHenry) 6. Jackson Trip (d.mchenry@juno.com) 7. Re: Downunda (bmac2) 8. Re: Young Black Belts (Chaney Hardman) 9. Petrov Lecture (Ray Terry) 10. Fulbright Forum (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 3.5 year old belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have yet to find a 3.5 year old I can teach to line up for class. We Do something different for kids. We have a whole series of belts with stripes through them, from yellow to brown, then a series of solid belts with stripes through them (white) from yellow to brown, and then, if they have gone through all of these, they enter the ranks of the gups. This isn't a "money" scheme (We don't charge), but rather a way to keep smaller kids motivated, and the meaning of rank legitimate. We don't promote anyone to black belt until they are 16. IF, they are under 16 and test for a "Jr. Black Belt", when they are 16, they still take the 1st Dan test again prior to receiving their 1st Dan. Then they are considered true students. daryl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:55:33 -0500 From: Richard Zaruba To: Subject: [The_Dojang] CDT Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, Has anyone on the list gone through the CDT Instructor training or any of the courses offered? I am particularly interested in LEOs and security personnel but would also like to hear from anyone else that has taken any of the courses. Local LEOs have heard a lot of good things about the course for law enforcement and are interested. I know there is some controversy surrounding Tom Patire and Hom Do, but since I am only interested in the CDT system and its practicality and effectiveness, I really don't care about that aspect of things. Any comments or feedback is invited and welcome on or off the list. Thank you, Richard Zaruba _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology School of Medicine and Health Science University of North Dakota 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu 701.777.2576 work 701.777.2477 fax --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:30:05 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Teaching Babies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike mentioned teaching babies in the womb. Already there Mike. I told my wife that as soon as the baby kicks, which should be fairly soon I imagine, to let me know so I can teach the youngun to kick right. She was not too thrilled with this. :-) Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:36:56 -0400 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Standardization Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First let me add my condolences to Master West. You'll be in my prayers. In setting up an organization's goals as standardization of testing requirements / teaching curriculum you seem to be moving into a trade union model. You have scheduled promotions based on time in and skills required, you pay your union fees and the union looks after your best interest as a licensed practitioner. Skills required are set by a rotating elected board based on understanding of technology and safety. As technology changes, instruction is offered to make sure all members are adapt in utilizing it. The standards of practice are published every year. Sounds like a working model. In the trades you can go anywhere in the the country hire a union contractor and be confident that the work will be done the correct way, done in the amount of time the union has scheduled for said work at a standardized price. Hiring a union contractor is a known entity. One drawbacks to this model is KMA supposedly is not a trade, it is an art. There is interpretation to the skills learned. The skills learned are not going to be executed in a standardized way. If you learn to install a electrical outlet you can be relatively confident that all electrical outlets will follow relatively the same installation process. Learning a proper roundhouse kick will not guarantee success of execution. And every application that is learned will not necessarily work for every body type. Your opponent is an unknown factor so success can not be guaranteed. Another drawback, there is also the "fight in the dog" factor. ( it is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog") Granted this can be increased but is an unknown. (I don't know karate but I know Ka-razy - James Brown) Finally self defense/Martial arts are the only skill/art I can think of, off the top of my head that you learn and hope not to use. "Here ladies and gentleman we have a Licensed Body Deconstructor - break glass in case of an emergency. Brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Ass Kickers local 216 " The trade union model may work for instructors but not everyone that practices wants to be an instructor, but it maybe a good jumping off point. But some effort has to be made to bring up the perception of KMA with 3 year old BBs floating around. I have underwear older than that kid. (not proud) Talking out of both sides of my mouth, Brian Journeyman IBAK loc.216 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:57:57 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] Young (or old) black belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It’s not the belt or rank that really carries any weight, but your knowledge and skill along with the right attitude that really define a martial artist. Just because a little 3 yr. old has been awarded a black belt does not cheapen your rank. Each individual must be judged on their own merits. Uniforms, belts, patches – it’s all external and really meaningless. It’s what YOU bring to it. If I were to take off my belt and tie on a white belt – would all my knowledge, experience and skill suddenly disappear? Same with someone without the skill and experience – tie a black belt on them do they all of a sudden magically transform into a skilled martial artist? Of course not. We can’t get all hung up on “belts” or rank, just do the best we can do and try not and get all caught up in all that foolishness. I’ve seen colored belts that I thought were extremely good, and they should be just as proud of what they can do and have learned as any black belt. Same for those on the other end of the age spectrum, they should be just as proud of their accomplishments no matter their rank. Just the fact that they are out on the mat training at an advanced age is an awesome achievement. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:53:16 -0500 From: d.mchenry@juno.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Trip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Although smaller than the March seminar, I survived another ‘International HKD & KMA Seminar’ hosted by Grandmaster JR West in Jackson MS. I’ve arrived home with plenty of sore muscles and bruises to prove what a great time I had. It was enjoyable to see some old friends again as well as some new comers. It's a great experience and I highly recommend it to everyone. I look forward to doing it again in March and hope to see everyone there. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:58:10 -0500 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Downunda Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please allow me to note a correction.... From: Rudy Timmerman "I have time to answer my e-mail while I'm away, but I'll get to it as soon as I return." should read I WILL NOT have time... respectfully, Kat ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Chaney Hardman" To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:11:36 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Young Black Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mike & Company, On the subject of pre-pubescent black belts, you're not alone. I think the rush to create kid's "black belt clubs", watered down requirements for children, grant children Dan grade has in part resulted from: 1. Instructors exploiting the desire of parents who want to brag about how li'l Johnny or Jane has a blk belt 2. Parents exploiting the desire of instructors to make lot$ of Ca$h. This has also led to some other amusing developments, such as: 1. Adult lower ranks/beginners bowing to and referring to toddlers & elementary school students as "sir" and "ma'am" (turning the Confucian edict about respecting one's elders completely on its head). 2. A belief among some parents that their li'l one could actually effectively kick/punch his/her way out of a dangerous scrape. Is a black belt worth anything anymore? Depends on how it was earned. I don't believe a kid _under_ the 14-18 year old range (depending upon individual level of maturity) can wear a black belt honestly and more than a 16 year old could have the maturity to practice medicine. A small child simply does not have the practical knowledge of the workings of the world to the degree an adult does. Young children repeat what we tell them, they mimick what we show them they are still learning HOW to understand what we are telling them. That incidentally, is why many medical schools require their candidates to have reached a minimum age...no Doogie Howsers in real life. Of course, one could argue that a child's BB should be taken in the context of the wearer. To which I answer: find another color. Use dark purple, or the red/blk poom. Be honest enough to let parenmts and children know that ilke a college degree, the BB is for those who can reason and understand. Unless all it really means is that you've been w/ master so-and-so for this many years and paid this much $..... The question is: Could or do and of YOU all out there study with and trust an instructor who promoted a 5 yr. old to BB? I wouldn't. And I'm dying to know...fellow instructors, what was the youngest you ever promoted to Dan rank, what manner of deeper understanding, if any, did you require, and how did you ascertain they were worthy candidates? Take Care, Chaney Hardman --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Petrov Lecture Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: The Intercultural Institute of California 2003-2004 Lecture Series Presents Leonid A. Petrov, Ph.D. "Why the Talks always Fail? The North-South Korean Conflict in Perspective Relations between North and South Korea are famous for irreconcilable contradictions. Both sides always seem to find a reason for walking out of the negotiating table, particularly at times when accord appears closest. Interference from the outside affords little results while domestic attempts to reach reconciliation often tend to reopen old wounds. The standoff between the two halves of the Korean peninsula, which since 1945 has been periodically aggravated or soothed, has deep political and ideological roots. It appears that only concerted international cooperation can stop the half-century-long confrontation. But why do formal talks on Korea always fail? Tuesday, September 30 4:00 p.m.-7:00 p.m. Intercultural Institute of California, San Francisco For More Information Contact: Intercultural Institute of California 1362 Post Street San Francisco, CA 94109 U.S.A. Telephone: (415) 441-1884 Fax: (415) 885-4155 E-Mail: info@iic.edu Ph.D., Ethnomusicology U.C., Berkeley, Center for Korean Studies, Visiting Research Fellow IIC, Assistant Professor, Korean Studies --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Fulbright Forum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: FULBRIGHT FORUM Fulbright in Seoul (the Korean American Educational Commission) is pleased to invite you to attend the Fulbright Forum for September, which will be held next Friday, September 26, 2003, at 6:30 p.m. at the Commission offices in Mapo. The speaker this month is Joshua D. Pilzer, Fulbright grantee to Korea and doctoral candidate in Ethnomusicology at the University of Chicago. His talk, "Performing Survival: Episodes in the musical life of Korean survivors of Japanese military sexual slavery," will introduce participants to his ongoing project, begun in July of 2002, investigating these remarkable women's musical lives. He collects the various songs of the former sexual slaves as a popular literature of their experience, and attempts to understand their singing as a process of survival. Pilzer's work is inspired by the many music scholars who have documented the music of Jewish holocaust survivors. His collection efforts have resulted in a recorded anthology of more than 400 songs. Many of the survivors of the sexual slavery system were forced to sing for soldiers, and many of them brought back from the War an immense and various collection of Japanese and Korean songs, along with songs from the parts of the world to which they were taken. In the presentation, Pilzer discusses the women's performance of these songs and others as evidence of the power of their human spirit, which suffers and endures, consoles itself, defines itself, keeps secrets, connects that self to others, publicly and privately expresses sorrow and strength, and remembers and forgets through song. In addition to Pilzer's presentation, a representative of the "House of Sharing," a museum, educational facility and rest home where eleven survivors live, will be on hand to answer questions and provide information about upcoming events and about how to visit the facility. We welcome to the September Fulbright Forum all Fulbrighters, senior scholars, graduate students and ETAs, as well as Board Members, Fulbright alumni, Peace Corps alumni, Korean studies scholars, foreign graduate students, RAS members, and any other interested friends of Korea or members of the Fulbright family. The presentation will be followed by a buffet reception. We hope many friends will come to enjoy the lecture, the discussion, and the food. Place: Fulbright Building 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu see maps on our website: www.fulbright.or.kr or call Mrs. Lee: 3275-4000 for directions Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 Time: 6:30 p.m. See you next Friday! Horace H. Underwood, Executive Director Korean-American Educational Commission (Fulbright) Seoul, Korea hhu@fulbright.or.kr --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest