Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:03:13 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #405 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Bruce on varied thoughts................ (George Peters) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Making_Choices?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Re:_Making_Choices (Ray Terry) 4. Oct. 25 (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 5. 2003 TKD World Championship Results, day one from Germany (Ray Terry) 6. Has Black Belt Lost Its Meaning? (Keith Causton) 7. RE: Has Black Belt Lost Its Meaning? (Buffy) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:55:06 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce on varied thoughts................ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: Please forgive me for lengthening our discourse on the subject, but our org does invite all KMA, not just TSD. Not soapboxing for anything or anyone in particular, just like to keep all the ducks in a row. You do read me well though. All people should always observe the goings on their particular federations and organizations, as it keeps everyone "honest" and seems to limit the amount of "politics". Keep on rockin' and let me know if I can be of any assistance. Respectfully, George Peters P.S. I am not even sure if the scope of our org is limited to KMA, as I seem to recall an advertisment from a while back that invited all martial artists and schools. Not 100% sure though. _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:05:17 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Making_Choices?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: Every now and then we seem to get caught up in some animated dialogue and then--- lo and behold--- an opportunity makes itself available by which people can clearly identify, through all the smoke and mirrors, where they are relative to all the controversy. I think the up coming visit by Oh See Lim to Florida, hosted in part by the Hackworth side of the KHF house, may be such an event. Consider some of the possible issues. 1.) Do members of the general KMA/Hapkido community attend the event to show support for their art as represented by the president of the Korea Hapkido Federation? 2.) Do KMA practitioners attend, if only to meet one of the big names in the Hapkido community? 3.) Do Hapkido people boycott the event because it is associated with Hackworth? 4.) Do Hapkido people attend in the hopes of advancing their agenda for, or against, the Hackworth appointment to a position of responsibility in the organization? 5.) Do Hapkido people attend in the hopes of advancing their agenda for, or against, another candidate as representative of the KHF in the US or even some other Hapkido associated issue? 6.) Do KHF members here in the US attend to show support for their organization, or boycot to protest current policies? Finally, the rest of the KMA leadership have been deathly quiet about all of the stuff going on with the KHF. Will GM Ji or any other high-ranking KMA personalities be attending the event or meeting with Oh See Lim while he is in the States? Will any of the advocates of a more "non-commertial" policy in the KHF be making comparable efforts to make their positions more visible, or better defined? Does anybody here care about any of this anymore? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:_Making_Choices Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > are relative to all the controversy. I think the up coming visit by Oh See > Lim to Florida, hosted in part by ... Would you be surprised if at the last minute we hear that Oh Se-lim isn't showing up at in Florida after all? Stay tuned for developments. > Finally, the rest of the KMA leadership have been deathly quiet about all > of the stuff going on with the KHF. And exactly where should they be expressing their views? In the pages of rags like Black Belt and TKD Times... or directly to the likes of Oh Se-lim and the KHF. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:39:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Oct. 25 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master West, I look foreward to seeing you, the stealthvan and the crew at Master Hodders. The material I gain from these seminars helps to keep motivated and one step ahead of the younger students. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.519 / Virus Database: 317 - Release Date: 9/17/2003 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2003 TKD World Championship Results, day one from Germany Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... 2003 World Championship Results Day One Results from Germany - Light Weight Division Elizabeth Mohammed - First Round Bye - Second Round lost to Korea Cody Aguirre - First Round Bye (Italy no show) - Second Round beat Morocco - Third Round lost to France US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104 C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Keith Causton" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:43:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Has Black Belt Lost Its Meaning? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to bring up a good point that some kids these days don't realize how special receiving a black belt is. There are quite a few young black belts under 12 at my club, and it seems to me that most of them just see it as another level. Just another obstacle in the way before their next level. It took me seven hard years to earn my first poom and once I finally did, I was SO proud of myself. I reflected back on all of the strenuous training, and hard work. These kids, because they are kids dont get put through as much training and hard work and get off easy. I had one student ask me how long before he got to test for his second poom, right after his first poom test. I'm thinking to myself, you just got your first poom, why in the world are you so dead set on getting your second so fast. I just think that my club, and any other clubs that deal with the same thing should take the time to let the students know how special and amazing it is to finally achieve a black belt. To realize that you are now "recognized" as a black belt, and you are now starting the second phase of martial art training. Which should take much longer than the first, and that they should always remember the hard work. And that brings up another point, It makes me feel sick to hear that a lot of people quit when they achieve their first poom/dan. Black isn't the last level. A lot of kids dont have enough respect for their uniform, their belt, and what not, But I just dont understand how some one can simply brush off and forget the true meaning of a black belt. It just seems to me that some students need to wake up and open their eyes! Am I alone on this one? or do other people see what I mean? Just wanted to voice my opinion! Keith   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Has Black Belt Lost Its Meaning? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:23:14 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I could not agree more! You should spend as much time from 1.dan to 2.dan as you did throu your colour belts. It should be HARDER, you should learn SO MUCH MORE and you should appreciate it MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE. Just an opion from a danish Hwa Rang Thomas. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Keith Causton [mailto:thekwondokid@hotmail.com] Sendt: 25. september 2003 03:44 Til: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Emne: [The_Dojang] Has Black Belt Lost Its Meaning? I just wanted to bring up a good point that some kids these days don't realize how special receiving a black belt is. There are quite a few young black belts under 12 at my club, and it seems to me that most of them just see it as another level. Just another obstacle in the way before their next level. It took me seven hard years to earn my first poom and once I finally did, I was SO proud of myself. I reflected back on all of the strenuous training, and hard work. These kids, because they are kids dont get put through as much training and hard work and get off easy. I had one student ask me how long before he got to test for his second poom, right after his first poom test. I'm thinking to myself, you just got your first poom, why in the world are you so dead set on getting your second so fast. I just think that my club, and any other clubs that deal with the same thing should take the time to let the students know how special and amazing it is to finally achieve a black belt. To realize that you are now "recognized" as a black belt, and you are now starting the second phase of martial art training. Which should take much longer than the first, and that they should always remember the hard work. And that brings up another point, It makes me feel sick to hear that a lot of people quit when they achieve their first poom/dan. Black isn't the last level. A lot of kids dont have enough respect for their uniform, their belt, and what not, But I just dont understand how some one can simply brush off and forget the true meaning of a black belt. It just seems to me that some students need to wake up and open their eyes! Am I alone on this one? or do other people see what I mean? Just wanted to voice my opinion! Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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