Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:04:20 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #412 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Putting_your_time_in......?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) (scottm@scubadiving.com) 3. Levels of Black Belt (L. Veuleman) 4. Fw: where and when (J.R. West) 5. Hapkio in Las Vegas (Braeswood Martial Arts) 6. RE: Re: Black belt grading Business Ploy. Poom vs. Dan (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 7. Re: how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) (Jye nigma) 8. Re: how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:54:48 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Putting_your_time_in......?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: ".....It has been my experience that most students cannot absorb an entire Hap Ki Do curriculum in one year, regardless of how much they train during that year....." I am with you, and we seem to have educational studies on our side. Research into the manner in which people learn identifies learning in 20 minute segments followed by periods of accomodation as the best way to absorb material. What this translates into is a period of time---- say 10- 15 minutes to present information, followed by 20-30 minutes to "play with that material and make it ones' own. Its also important to remember that people have a maximum amount of material that they can absorb in any given sitting. How many times have we gone to a seminar and done 15 techniques but can't remember more than one or two when we get off the mat. And, I have real problems with folks who report that they studied 8 hours a day, 7 days a week and absorbed the equivalent of someone who studied 3 times a week @ two hours a class for a few years. The Human mind does not work that way. Also, despite what we want to believe about children, they only SEEM like little sponges. What may be observed to be "short attention spans" may actually be time they make for themselves away from material that they are being taught, in order to accomodate or integrate that new material into their consciousness. In the end, then, I don't see that there are any short- cuts. There is a reason that respectable arts have time in grade and time on the mat requirements. There is also a reason why people who do not respect these requirements seem to have lesser skills than those folks who do. I can teach a person to swing a pretty respectable sword in about two hours. However, it can take a lifetime incorporating that skill into the rest of ones' constellation of MA techniques. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: scottm@scubadiving.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello all, i'm coming out of lurk mode to pose a question. i have been training in hap ki do about 4 years. just a few months ago, i hooked back up with my first instructor(a long time kung-fu practioner) and am training with him 2 to 3 times a week. anyway, we were doing some qin na and i found the techniques to be very similar to the joint locks in hap ki do. seems that some self-defense techniques are the same no matter the style. has anyone else studied qin na in the chinese arts? do you have a similar view? scott --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Levels of Black Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Digest, My problem with the 'probationary/decided/Sr/Recommeded' black belt level gimmick/tool came the other day when the person I rent my building to comes up to me and says "Hey I am a Second Degree Black Belt also and I havn't even been doing this three years". You can imagine the steam vents opening. We had a long talk. She hails from the GTF/USTF Tae Kwon Do group, colored belts test every 2 months generally, and Dan belts every 4-6 months. She has been involved less than three years. She is 19, and a second degree black belt. I come from a private TKD organization I guess you could say. White to black belt generally takes no less than 4 years, each following black belt takes that many years. I have been with my organization for right at 10 years. I am 22, and a second degree black belt. I could see the levels of blackbelt'iness being a good thing with alot of time in between, especially with a very large organization (ah, that might be the problem) but with a group like mine, where EVERY black belt is at the one black belt test we actually have a year, and knows who is new and who isn't, simple rank is fine. But when you just use it to make a person test four times for the same rank, it seems a bit silly. From the inside of that type of practice looking out it make seem good, but from the outside looking in, it seems excessive and confusing. Now all of that was on the issue of adult rank, on youth rank (which is a WHOLE 'nother ball game) I like the poom belt idea. We also have a black belt rank for ages 15-17, Jr. Black Belt, and I think it is similar to the poom idea. With all of the children we have ever had in our group, only a small couple of handfulls have actually made it to this rank though. They stay Jr Black belt and wear a half black half brown belt till they turn 17. Then when the next test is available, they are allowed to test for free for 1st Dan. YITMA Charlie Veuleman ************** L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do 318-356-7727 Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing 318-332-1676 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" , "Martial Science" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:43:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fw: where and when Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just an update on our fall Seminar tour....Further info is available at www.hapkido.com Oct. 4th, Apollo Beach (Tampa area), FL Oct. 18th, Hampstead, MD Oct. 25th, Houston, TX Nov. 8th, Ft. Wayne, IN We hope to see you there.....J.R. West --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:58:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkio in Las Vegas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all; I have a young student getting ready to test for her yellow belt in Kong Shin Hapkido and her family will be moving to Las Vegas, NV within the next month or so... as soon as their house sells. Her father is already there and they would like for her to continue training in Hapkido. Anyone who has information about good school with positive kids classes please contact me so I may forward the information to the family. Thanks in advance Kat Kelly BMAC2@ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Black belt grading Business Ploy. Poom vs. Dan Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:14:05 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Nobody is getting cheated out of money, and it insures all is fair. > Because a second poom test is NOT as hard as a Second Dan test. What are the differences between the Poom and Dan tests? Is that somewhat standardized in your experience? I only accept students 12 and older so, I haven't had to deal much with this issue, but I'd like to better understand the concept. Regards, Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Tae Kwon Do www.natkd.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net yes but have only seen a hnad full of hapkido moves. I think where chin na and hapkido may vary is in using chi to injure the opponent as well. So for instance, we had a chin na manuever where you damaged the opponent's joint (when they were grabbing your arm) and then attacked them with a dead hand strike which basically uses momentum and chi to damage the opponent internally. Any one have any thoughts on that? Jye --- scottm@scubadiving.com wrote: > hello all, > i'm coming out of lurk mode to pose a question. > i have been training > in hap ki do about 4 years. just a few months ago, > i hooked back up > with my first instructor(a long time kung-fu > practioner) and am > training with him 2 to 3 times a week. anyway, we > were doing some > qin na and i found the techniques to be very similar > to the joint > locks in hap ki do. seems that some self-defense > techniques are the > same no matter the style. has anyone else studied > qin na in the > chinese arts? do you have a similar view? > > scott > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > i'm coming out of lurk mode to pose a question. i have been training > in hap ki do about 4 years. just a few months ago, i hooked back up > with my first instructor(a long time kung-fu practioner) and am > training with him 2 to 3 times a week. anyway, we were doing some > qin na and i found the techniques to be very similar to the joint > locks in hap ki do. chin na seems to be more static in nature than is Hapkido. i.e. the hands are applying similar locks, hitting the same pressure points, but the full body motion and footwork of Hapkido seem to be left out. If you see the locks used in Eskrima you'll note a similar static nature to the locks and lock flows used (i.e. more like chin na). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest