Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:04:10 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #413 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Chin_Na,_Ju_Jutsu_and_Yu_Sool?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. Day Four Results from Germany (fwd) (Ray Terry) 3. how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 4. Absorbing lessons (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Australia Seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Dojangs in San Fransisco (J T) 7. Re: Absorbing lessons (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Dojangs in San Fransisco (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:38:04 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Chin_Na,_Ju_Jutsu_and_Yu_Sool?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Scott: Just as the Japanese arts have contributed to the KMA so have the Chinese arts. Its difficult to tease-out one consistent vein but the influence is plain if one is aware of the history and the hallmarks of the various contributions. For people who are intersted I can suggest a few thoughts. 1.) Not all Chaun Fa styles are identical so don't expect their respective Chin Na sub-categories to be identical. Put another way, the Chin Na aspect of a particular Boxing style reflects the catalogue of biomechanics or "body use" or body motion of its major style. Long Fist uses the human body one way and its Chin Na moves reflect that body method. Eagle Claw likewise has a Chin Na catalog of grappling and locking techniques which are an extension of their Boxing theory. The same goes for Praying Mantis, Tan Tui, Tai Chi and so forth. 2.) It may be important to remember that Chin Na is not an art in and of itself but was re-organized from a variety of Boxing tradition into a group of 72 techniques after the turn of the 19th century. I believe David Wong documents this in his book on Kung Fu history. 3.) The Mu Yei To Bo Tong Ji borrows heavily from the Ming General Qi, Jiguangs' Boxing Canon, and it would be well to remember that the Qing Dyn sent about 3000 troops to Korea prior to the Sino-Japanese War (1894) to train the Korean army. In addition there have been a number of heavily Chinese enclaves in Korea, no small amount of intercourse between the Chinese and Korean business communities, and regular communications by agencies of the Korean and Chinese governments as well as the Confucian, Buddhist and Taoist communities down through the centuries. 4.) I have, for some time tried to figure out why the Koreans are so keen to focus on the Japanese influence on their modern martial traditions rather than give equal time to the Chinese influences. Some of the possible explanations might be the following. a.) No small number of ex-pats returning to Korea from Japan were young turks steeped in Japanese traditions and little appreciation of Korean traditions. Therefore they decided to exploit what they had learned in Japan rather than respect what was left of the Korean traditions. b.) The Korean culture was heavily damaged by the Japanese Occupation so it was very difficult to find surviving pieces of Korean martial tradition. c.) The Koreans, themselves, didn't do much to maintain their martial traditions. d.) Following WW II, anything coming out of China, or perhaps only associated with China, was suspect due to the growing Cold War antagonisms. And, of course, the Korean War and subsequent dividing of the peninsula didn't help. e.) Koreans, by nature, tend to be factional so there has never been a united effort to respect a cohesive interpretation of Korean martial tradition. Each Korean leader had his own take on the traditions and their histories and sort to make whatever money they could selling their particular take on these. Any, non-Koreans who have attempted to present a cohesive art or Mu-Do, were quickly disenfranchised and derided as not knowing what they were talking about. Just some odd thoughts for your consideration. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Day Four Results from Germany (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Day Four Results Taylor Stone Round One Bye Round Two beat Poland Round Three-came back in third round from 4-8 and knocked out Turkey Round Four beat Croatia in Quarter Finals Round Five beat Canada in Semi Finals Round Six lost to Korea taking Silver in Finals Peter Lopez Round One beat Venezuala Round Two beat Azerbaijan Round Three beat Greece in Quarter Finals Round Four lost to Spain taking home Bronze in Semi Finals Day Four Results - Heavy Weight Division Heidi Gilbert Round One beat Belguim Round Two beat Ukraine Round Three lost to China in Quarter Finals Michael Tang Round One Bye Round Two lost to Korea US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: To: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:46:38 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] how hap ki do compares to qin na(chin na) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There are only so many ways to bend the human body, no matter what area of the world you are from. <<. anyway, we were doing some qin na and i found the techniques to be very similar to the joint locks in hap ki do.>> Randall Sexton www.SextonsHapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:43:21 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Absorbing lessons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > Research into the manner in which people learn identifies learning in > 20 > minute segments followed by periods of accomodation as the best way to > absorb material. What this translates into is a period of time---- say > 10- > 15 minutes to present information, followed by 20-30 minutes to "play > with > that material and make it ones' own. Its also important to remember > that > people have a maximum amount of material that they can absorb in any > given > sitting. Hello Bruce: Although I had not heard of that study, I have found similar results over the years. Whenever I teach seminars, I am careful to limit the amount of material presented in order that serious students can actually "take it home". Having attended workshops with me, you probably noticed I don't get into the next technique until I am happy with your performance of the last. For students whose attitudes I am uncomfortable with, I overload them with material. They go away happy, but I know they won't remember anything they can use to hurt others with:) This seems to parallel the last sentence of the paragraph I copied from your post. Talking about seminars, I once again encourage NKMAA members to join Master West in any of his Fall Tour seminars. As you know, I don't recommend too many Instructors, but JR and Master Booth are two I highly recommend. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:09:33 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Australia Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone: I just returned from Australia where I presented some material to the students of Master Booth. I feel I must share with you my experience with this wonderful group of students. It began with my arrival around 7:00 am and finding several dozen students (and Master Booth) waiting there to greet me. While this may seem trivial to many, I must point out that this group would have HAD to get up around five am to be at the airport. To me this means that these are students who wish to show that their school spirit is second to none. After the three days of sharing some major pain with me (including the women of the group), I came to the conclusion my first instinct was on the mark. Seldom, if ever, have I seen a more dedicated group of students eager to learn, and it was sheer pleasure for me to work with them. Those who have seen me present know I am a might hard on my "fall guy" (because I believe one should "feel" a technique in order to learn it), and I don't have too many takers who wish to assist me in my presentations. In the land downunda, Black Belts came running to be the first to feel how the next technique I announced worked, and the assistant I brought with me was simply put out of work (Lorne is forever grateful to them:). I wish to thank Master Booth and the Australian Group for giving me the opportunity to work with them as well as their wonderful hospitality. You truly inspired me! BTW, I still don't care for eating Emu, but Lorne tells me that VB is the best:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojangs in San Fransisco Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is also GM Michael De Alba's Farang Mu Sul school in San Fransisco. I believe the website is www.dsystem.com. I have worked with GM De Alba on several occasions and he is an spectacular technician and a well rounded stylist. I highly recommend him. with respect, Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Absorbing lessons To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Although I had not heard of that study, I have found similar results > over the years. I think I first heard it expressed as "spaced practice is better than massed practice". Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dojangs in San Fransisco To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > There is also GM Michael De Alba's Farang Mu Sul > school in San Fransisco. I believe the website is > www.dsystem.com. I have worked with GM De Alba on > several occasions and he is an spectacular technician > and a well rounded stylist. I highly recommend him. Agreed. Michael's Hapkido/HwaRangDo/FarangMuSul would be an excellent school. Not Taekwondo or Oyama style, but a good flavor of Hapkido. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest