Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:08 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #417 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Meaning of Black Belt? (Ray Terry) 2. My encounter with a "Decided" black belt (Wicker, H. Keith) 3. 28th NCTA champ (Yong Chin Pak) 4. handle wrapping (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 5. Loyalty (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Sammy Pejo sparring seminar (Ray Terry) 7. Re: handle wrapping (Jye nigma) 8. Katana Wrapping (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 9. TKD in Afghanistan (Neal Konecky) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Meaning of Black Belt? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have often remarked that I expect an American TKD-stylist to be as good or better than > a 4th dan Korean stylist in terms of the raw mechanics of the art, but the Korean has had > the benefit of looking at a wider picture and seeing the grand design. > How did the BB journey get lengthened and blown-up to such epic proportions? Where did > this huge imbalance begin? The Swordsman and English Teacher brings up a good point. Of course here in the US a student may only attend class 2 or 3 times a week and for a class as short as only 45 mins. Where I believe in Korea they are in class 5 or 6 times a week for N hours a class/night. Yes? So one year in Korea many approximate the 2 or 4 years in the US. My question is... has the time to attain Il Dan level in Korea stayed the same, increased or decreased when compared to 20 or 30 years ago? Just curious... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Wicker, H. Keith" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:38:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] My encounter with a "Decided" black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was recently at a gathering and one of the nephews of one of my friends found out that I teach Korean Martial Arts. The young man was probably 14 or 15 years old. The first question out of his mouth was "What rank are you?". I politely stated that I was a 2nd Dan. He seemed disappointed and he immediately and proudly stated that he was a "Decided 3rd Degree black belt TKD". His interest in speaking with me quickly diminished. Something is very wrong with this situation. The first thing I thought was "What is a 'decided' black belt?" and the second thing I thought was "this kid is not very polite". Granted he is only a teenager, but I would have preferred that the first question he had asked would have been something like "Hello sir, I study TKD, what style do you teach?" or "Hello sir, I study TKD, I heard that you teach martial arts, could I ask you a few questions". He was not respectful or polite, he showed no humility, and was very rank conscious and he dressed like a gangster. He may have won a few trophies and he may have very good physical technique, but I felt that this young man has missed a very large part of martial arts training and has been cheated. I blame his instructors, not him. I saw this encounter as just another example of how so many of our youth are being taken advantage of by the McDojangs. Keith --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:13:11 -0500 To: From: Yong Chin Pak Subject: [The_Dojang] 28th NCTA champ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear NCTA Taekwondo Family Greeting from Iowa State University! I hope your summer went well this year. As you know we just have just returned from the Summer Universiade games in Daegu, Korea. The US team brought home one gold, one silver and four bronze medals. This placed us 2nd overall. Thank you for all your support. I'm writing to you about the up coming NCTA championship November 7 and 8 in Lynnwood, WA. below the address for the NCTA site. I hope you can send this to all of the athlete's email accounts. This year championship will be Pre Selection for Paturs Greece < June 2-5 2004> FISU World University Taekwondo Championship. I hope you can share with your student and friend . http://ncta-usa.com Thank you Yongchin Pak NCTA -- ***************************************************************** Yong Chin Pak Iowa State University College of Health & Human Performance 214-A Beyer Hall Ames, Iowa 50011 Phone: (515)-294-5966 Fax: (515)-294-2697 E-Mail: ycpak@iastate.edu Homepage: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~ycpak ***************************************************************** --__--__-- Message: 4 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:53:45 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] handle wrapping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hockey tape is the solve all for many things...including weapon handles. It is a water(sweat) resistant cloth tape. Take the tape and pull out a length without tearing it from the roll. Spin it around so it twists and forms a chord. Wrap that chord around the handle in a diagonal pattern, then go back the other way and form an X pattern on the sides of the handle. Wrap the X pattern with the tape(flat) and there you have it. It is a bit sticky and doesnt chafe the hands. Comes in red, blue, black, & white. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Martial Arts 503-789-1356 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:17:20 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Loyalty Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thomas writes: > Hmmm...Michael De Alba... > > ... isn't that the guy who was 5th Dan Hwa Rang Do under GM Joo Bang > Lee? > ... who made some videos even though his Master kept telling him NO NO > NO! > ... who did it because he was broke? > > If his is THAT guy I feel nothing but sadness for him ... he failed ... > woundn't do as he was tolled ... a crystal clear example of how you > should > NOT repay your master for his teaching and trust. Hello Thomas: It seems like Master DeAlba fell pray to the same politics as I did. Both he and I did our level best to aid our Grand Masters in their quest to spread their art. On my part, I personally organized no less than 15 schools to join the org, and the thanks I got was to have my "grateful" GM allow one of my students to raid my school while I was working hard in another city to open yet another school for my organization. It seems that the 20 mile radius clause he had in his own license agreement only applied when convenient for him. As far as paying and trust. I paid not only in dues collected from me and my students, but I also paid for a worthless license agreement. As far as trust, yes, I trusted too much. I believe Ray pointed out in his post that Michael was victim of a very similar situation with his GM. So much for the loyalty, integrity etc. that was supposedly the foundation of both our martial arts. Of course, this is NOT the story told by the organizations we resigned from. I could publish the letters etc. that support MY statement, but I am too much of a gentleman to get into a mudslinging contest with my former GM... two wrongs don't add up to make a right. You are right on one thing though, I also feel very sad for Michael, but I am afraid for a very different reason than you have. I sincerely hope you will never be subjected to what we went through. Loyalty is a great thing, and I truly wish I could have continued to be loyal; however, at least in my case, my GM broke a trust I apparently held more sacred than he did. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Sammy Pejo sparring seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sparring seminar to be held in the SF Bay Area Sammy Pejo will be teaching an Olympic TKD sparring seminar on October 25 at TaoSports, 462 Hartz Ave, Danville, CA 94526. Two seminars: 9AM for juniors and their coaches 1PM for seniors and their coaches Latest drills, techniques, tactics and strategies used by the national team will be examined. $50 if reserved by Oct 15. $75 at the door. 925.831.3188 for more information and to sign-up. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] handle wrapping To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is from another group: "HI Shawn THere are several web sites that have information on how to do tsuka ito wrap if you want a traditional wrap. If you are looking for funtionality, use a spiral combat wrap. It is easier , quicker (relatively) and lasts longer. FOr a spiral wrap, get a large spool of black cotton thread, loop a long open loop from tsuka to the butt of the tsuka and hold it in place with a rubberband. The loop should be at the butt, because you are going to pull the end thread under the wrap by pulling the open end thread from the tsuba end, pulling the wrap tight and burying the thread end deep under the wrap. You start at the tsuba end and simply do a tight wrap keeping the threads neatly spiraled next to one another, periodically pullling the threads tight and tamping them next to one another so they do not overlap. You want a tight, neat spiral. When you reach the end of the tsuka, pass the free end of the thread through the loop and pull it slowly under the spiral wrap using the open tread from the tsuka end. I suggest pulling it at least 2/3 of the way down the tsuka. You can make this impervious to weather and wear by mixing epoxy glue and painting it over the wrap. The cotton absorbs teh epoxy and makes a smooth, waterproof gripping surface that lasts forever. You can put an end seal on each end of teh wrap with black baseball bat handle tape, again sealing it with epoxy. If your tsuke has mekugi, simply place a thin washer or a piece of suede with a flap over the mekugi ano, epoxy it in place and do a diamond spiral wrap around the washer at that point or make sectional wraps above and below the mekugi ano. I saw a nice combat wrap that used a piece of suede over the mekugi ano with sectional spiral wraps above and below the mekugi ano. the effect was pretty spectacular if simple, and the suede helped prevent slippage of the mekugi. Either the traditional or the combat spiral wraps work well, but the spiral uses cheaper materials and never comes loose. This wrap works very well for boken, tetsubo , etc. Thanks Wild Bill" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:46:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Katana Wrapping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Shawn, Try this link. http://pages.prodigy.net/tlbuck/tsuka/tsuka.htm Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Konecky To: dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD in Afghanistan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Afghan Girls Kick Up Their Heels By Pamela Constable THE WASHINGTON POST September 30, 2003 Their head scarves kept slipping with every high kick. Their toes and knuckles scraped the concrete floor during warm-up stretches. Their lungs and muscles, unused to any exercise, tired easily. "Try to take as much pain as you can stand," urged Mahbooba Rezahi, 17, the instructor of the only martial arts class for girls in the Afghan capital. "Breathe deeply ... keep your elbows bent." She glanced up from a deep bend with a mock frown. "No giggling!" There were only nine students in Rezahi's tae kwon do class at the Afghan Youth Club on a recent Sunday morning - a tiny fraction of the 300 boys who attend its martial arts classes in the evenings. There were 13 girls until last week, when police locked the clubhouse doors twice, unnerving some of the teenage students and their parents. Vigorous exercise, long an unquestioned staple of education for young people of both sexes in the West and in much of the developing world, is still controversial for girls in Afghanistan, a deeply traditional Muslim society where modesty of dress and manner and provable virginity at marriage are expected of all young women under penalty of social ostracism. After a decade of conservative Islamic rule, first by warring militia factions and then by the more extremist Taliban leadership - which forced women to wear head-to-toe veils and even frowned on men's sports as impious distractions - a concept as daring and exotic as girls' martial arts is especially suspect. "All my friends advised me not to come here. They said it was dangerous and not something girls should do," said Shugufa Sarwali, 17, a member of the club. "But this is fun, and it makes me feel stronger. If we don't take the first steps, we will never be equal to men in Afghanistan." Perhaps not surprisingly, the impetus for the club has come from Afghan refugees who recently returned from long exile in Iran, a Muslim country where girls and women have far more opportunities for self-development. Rezahi, the instructor, lived most of her life in Iran; so did the club's male founder, Sayed Jawad Hussaini, 31, who returned from Iran last year. It is not only the promotion of girls' sports, however, that has conservative Islamic groups and local police forces up in arms against the Afghan Youth Club. Hussaini and his associates, mostly ethnic minority Hazaras, have been challenging Kabul's conservative political and religious establishment on a variety of fronts and without mincing words. A recent edition of the club's weekly paper, Afghan Youth, contained several provocative articles that accused the Afghan defense minister, an ethnic Tajik, of monopolizing political power, and said the central government needed to take much firmer action to rein in the warlords who dominate in key regions of the country. "The police came here last month and beat us even before we had opened our building," Hussaini said. "They said they fought a holy war for 23 years and they would not let us do anything against their religion." Most police officers in Kabul are former members of the Islamic militias that defeated the Taliban in 2001 but are almost as conservative in their views toward women and on other issues. Last month, leaders of the former Islamic government headed by President Burhanuddin Rabbani in 1992-96 issued a statement condemning foreign charities for promoting female participation in sports, saying they were trying to exert negative influences on Afghan women. The Afghan Youth Club has received promotional support from the Information and Culture Ministry of the U.S.-backed Afghan government and from AINA, an internationally funded media and culture center here. Last week, Rezahi and several of her students performed some basic martial arts moves at an outdoor show organized by AINA, a risque spectacle by Afghan standards despite the students' bulky belted robes and Muslim head scarves. Abdul Hamid Mobarez, the deputy minister of information and culture, speaking at the event, said that "even one year ago a meeting such as this would not have been possible" but added that "we cannot solve 23 years of problems overnight." Even official support, though, carries relatively little weight in the intense social and cultural struggle that has engulfed Afghanistan in the last two years, as it emerges from two decades of civil strife and religious extremism and attempts to find a balance between traditional Muslim values and 21st-century opportunities. At Rezahi's tae kwon do class, several students confided between sessions of scissor kicks and arm thrusts that their families had serious reservations about their participation and that even their own brothers studying martial arts disapproved. "I used to play volleyball in school, and I want my daughters to be active, too," said Farida Hashmi, the mother of one teenage student, who was watching the class. She said her son was participating in the boys' martial arts class but that he had not been told that his sister was attending this one. "He would think it was foolish, and he wouldn't let her go," Hashmi said. Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc. ===== "A general Dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole force of the Common Enemy" Samuel Adams __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest