Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:04:34 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #425 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. titles (Rudy Timmerman) 2. terms (Dennis McHenry) 3. Open Hapkido Seminar (FirstPe315@aol.com) 4. RE: Re: Pet Peeves (Buffy) 5. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #420 - msg 7 The Proliferation of Belts (Raymond Navarro) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:15:12 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > JR and Rudy are "JR" and "Rudy" and Dennis can be "Mac" if I push > myself. But I don't kid myself. These are luxuries we enjoy here. > Rudy, JR > and Mac have paid their dues, consistently express Integrity and do > nothing > but good for the KMA and I have yet to hear a discouraging word about > them > or many others. If thats not enough to warrant being addressed > respecfully > then I have been in the wrong activity for too many years! Sorry, > guys, but > in this case "master" feels pretty good until a better KMA convention > for > address comes along. :-). Hello Bruce: The name Rudy is one my mom and dad gave me, so it is dear to me for that reason. Do I feel slighted when Bruce calls me Rudy? Not in the least. I am honored that he bothers to call me at all. The name Saja Nim was one bestowed on my by my late GM Pak, and it is dear to me for that reason. To hear that name coming from a man like Charles makes it even more precious, especially when he uses the term "mentor" in the same sentence. To worry about the nasty things people call me is a complete waste of my time, and I similarly don't waste time worrying about the addressing my Master as "my Instructor, who is my Master" Like Dave said, too much verbiage that takes away my time for doing more useful things with the gift of communication. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 03:51:43 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] terms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kevin: <> I was just talking about this exact thing to my wife today. I too think it sounds really strange when someone refers to their instructor (or myself) as "their master". I'm not "their master", but their instructor or teacher. So you are not alone in your thoughts about this. I do understand what they mean, but it just sounds very strange to me. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:31:17 -0400 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Open Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A friend in Colorado is sponsoring a Hapkido Seminar, hosting Master Tae Jung of the World Hapkido Association in Aurora, Coloardo on November 15. This guy is amazing and his Hapkido is sharp. You can find a Seminar flier and information at their website. www.worldhapkido.com Jeff --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Pet Peeves Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:14:38 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....When people use the terms "My Master" or "My Grandmaster" shouldn't they actually be saying "My instructor who is a Master/Grandmaster"? ....." Just as often do we call our instructors by the Korean descriptions: Jokyo-Nim, Kyosa-Nim, Sabum-Nim etc. If I adress you of them with a question: "Excuse me Sabum-Nim ... Can you tell me ...?". Thomas. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #420 - msg 7 The Proliferation of Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jeremy, be blessed. I am almost sertain that the belt creation is or must be a recognition to juDo fouder Jigoro Kano whom was a school teacher (I am not shure if a college teacher in Japan in the late 1800) and to be able to grade his students he awarded these belts to have them ranked or classed. Also the Gi or Dobalk as the Korean term goes is also credited to Mr. Jigoro Kano. In the early martial arts trainuing from a traditional sence the workout would be done with dayly clothing. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo HapKiDo Panama City Panama 7. The Proliferation of Belts (Jeremy Anderson) -- __--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Anderson To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Proliferation of Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I have some questions relating to the proliferation of belt ranks in some modern systems. I've heard that the 10 colored belt ranks in many martial arts systems is new. That originally, there was only one color -- white that darkened to black through the sweat and dirt of training. This was extended to two colors -- white and black. Then a third belt was inserted in between. And so on. Is there any truth to this? And if so, could the proliferation of "probational," "intermediate," and "advanced" belt rankings just be a continuation of a historical trend towards increasing number of belts? Does anyone on this list study any arts that still use a 5- or 6- gup/kyu ranking system? If so, how are is the 10-gup ranking system used in many martial arts schools viewed by those practitioners? Thank you, Jeremy Anderson. _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest