Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:54:39 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #430 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Invitation to ICAS Fall Symposium (Ray Terry) 2. Apprentices (Lauren Loftley) 3. Re: Encounter the Warriors Heart (Dr. Daryl Covington) 4. Re: Ian Cyrus (Dr. Daryl Covington) 5. KHF recognition ? (Ray Terry) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Making_your_mark?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Coming_to_LA.?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. The right stuff (Rudy Timmerman) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_was_me....._?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Invitation to ICAS Fall Symposium Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... from: Sang Joo Kim icas@ICASinc.org www.ICASinc.org Invitation to ICAS Fall Symposium 2003 Washington D C Humanity, Peace and Security October 14, 2003 12:00 NN - 5:45 PM United States Senate Dirksen Building Room SD 562 1st & C Streets, NE Capitol Hill, Washington D C 20510 Speakers (confirmed) Iskander K Azizov (Counselor for Asia & Pacific Affairs, Embassy of the Russian Federation, Washington, D C) The Korean Peninsula Issues: A Russian Angle Takehiro Funakoshi (First Secretary, Embassy of Japan, Washington DC) Japan's Security Policy Sara L Johnson (Managing Director, Global Macroeconomic Group, Global Insight) Global Economic Outlook: The United States and the World Charles L "Jack" Pritchard (Visiting Fellow, The Brookings Institution; Ambassador and former Special Envoy for Negotiations with North Korea, U S Department of State) Road to Peace in the Korean Peninsula Nobert Vollertsen (A German Physician and human rights activist) Human Rights Issues: The Case of North Korea Youming Yang (Counselor and Chief of International Section, Embassy of China in Washington) The North Korea's Nuclear Issues: China's Policy and the Korean Peninsula (list in progress) Discussants (confirmed) Norman Fu (U S Bureau Chief, China Times) Helen Louis Hunter (ICAS Fellow; author of Kim Il-song's North Korea) Yoshihisa Komori (Editor-at-Large, The Sankei Shimbun) Yosuke Watanabe (The White House Correspondent, Kyodo News) (list in progress) Registration Seats are limited. RSVP by October 9, 2003 Admission to this programme is free of charge and open to public . However, seating is limited and pre-registration is advised. Please register on-line at: On-Line Registration Or, please complete the form below Name ____________________________________________________ Title _____________________________________________________ Organization ______________________________________________ Address __________________________________________________ City, State, and Zip ______________________________________ Tel ______________________________________________________ Fax ______________________________________________________ Email _____________________________________________________ and register by sending the completed form to: icas@ICASinc.org or, fax to ICAS at 610 277 3289. Thank you. For a co-sponsorship opportunity and additional information, please contact: icas@icasinc.org T 610 277 9989 T 610 277 0149 F 610 277 3289 Convener: Synja P Kim (ICAS Fellow, President and Chairman) Moderator: Sang Joo Kim (ICAS Sr Fellow & Executive Vice President) Acknowledgement: Council for America My Country (CAMC ) Global Link Solutions Inc Hana Tour Courtesy Travel Inc ICAS Liberty Golf Classic Invitational ICAS Youth Excellence Programme SK Enterprises International Inc Subaru of America (list in progress) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- veritas vos liberabit Sang Joo Kim Sr Fellow & Executive Vice President Institute for Corean-American Studies, Inc . (ICAS ) 965 Clover Court Blue Bell, PA 19422 U S A T: (610) 277 9989 T: (610) 277 0149 F: (610) 277 3289 E: icas@ICASinc.org http://www.ICASinc.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Corean-American Studies (aka ICAS) is a non-profit, non-partisan, and private educational and research organization. It is non-agent of any government and solely supported by voluntary contributions. ICAS promotes pertinent relations and conducts appropriate activities to enhance cooperation and to pursue peace and prosperity. Further information about ICAS and some examples of the recent activities may be found on the ICAS website (http://www.ICASinc.org). Thank you. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Lauren Loftley" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:32:49 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Apprentices Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been practing TKD for 3 years. My master refers to me as his "apprentice" because I am more dedicated to the marital arts than the other students. The other students are not aware of it. I know that a long time ago-masters had "apprentices", but are master instructors still calling some of their students "apprentices"? Is that natural?   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer- sign up now! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Encounter the Warriors Heart Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mainly a book on the philosophy of the Shinsei System It includes some essays and articles written by many folks, from various perspectives. Some info was taken from individuals on the list, with permission, and credit given. Other martial artists contributed works, including the man in florida, Kang Rhee, Erle Montaigue, Chris Dewey, Mark Barlow, and others. By permission, Rudy Timmerman allowed us to include a segment from his website. Some of the views and personalities are conflicting, but overall, I think it gives a good "brush" on the subject of teaching. Joseph Lumpkin, founder of the Shinsei System, studied under Mr. Park In Indiana. GM Ji, Han Jae knows of him, although he has stated that Mr. Park was probably 3rd Dan and not the 6th He claimed. There seems to have been much debate over whether the system is Hapkido, JuJitsu, etc. It actually has roots in both, but tends to stick with the philosophy of HKD in defensives spheres, etc. Rudy Timmerman says it is more JuJitu. He has viewed the system. We appreciate his straight forward and honest critique, and time. Seeing that the tape Rudy Timmerman reviewed was done in Japanese Terminology, there is no other conclusion I would have come to either. Master Kang Rhee thought it more Hapkido oriented. Erle Montaigue thought it to be "unique and effective". The philosophy of the system is in the book. I believe Master West was correct. I spoke with him a few days ago, and by the way, great to meet you, and Ray Terry. The system is SHINSEI. It is recognized by the KHF, hince the HKD. But, we focus on SHINSEI, it is the Shinsei System, Shinsei Do, Shinsei Ryu, which ever you would choose. Hope this is helpful. grace and peace daryl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ian Cyrus Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You are correct in noting Ian Cyrus is on our advisors Board. We are part of the International Chosondo Federation. Our goal is to be true to our style, give credit where it is due, and let the style SHINSEI stand for itself as a testiment, inspite of the recognitions that be --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF recognition ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I believe Master West was correct. I spoke with him a few days ago, and > by the way, great to meet you, and Ray Terry. The system is SHINSEI. It is > recognized by the KHF, hince the HKD. But, we focus on SHINSEI, it is the > Shinsei System, Shinsei Do, Shinsei Ryu, which ever you would choose. Dr. Covington, Were you in fact able to determine that it is recognized by the KHF, or just by Mr. H's little group down in Florida? As we know, they are two very different things. Just curious... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:06:15 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Making_your_mark?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Charlie: "..... Soon I will be a supplyer for uniforms with my own brand, and I will be able to give them out without it hurting so badly....." I used to think that it was the height of arrogance for some TKD school to hand out a free uniform with their emblem or logo silk-screened on the back. Then I realized that it would be nothing for some dabbler to take you up on your free uniform thing and use the uniform after signing up somewhere else. Guess I was a little slow on the up-take, ne? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:14:39 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Coming_to_LA.?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Charlie: "....Hey, when you or Mac or Rich or any of the Hapkido guys (excluding controversial FL residents) coming to Natchitoches? (Nack-Ee-tush) I wanna be on the road of the traveling teachers path so we can get some good stuff too. Or is that just for the USKMAF people? I am next to a major interstate ya know....We have lots of buffets.....and Meat Pies....." I bet with a little creativity and planning ahead there is no reason we couldn't work your place into some sort of cyclical visit thing. As it is JR already has a visit planned for Ft Wayne and Mosinee, Wis on a pretty regular basis. Personally I would get with Dave (Pryga) or Anthony (New) or Jere (Hilland) and find out what they do to grease the highway in their direction. From another point of view there is alway Rudy, but I don't know his people very well (except for Kat) so I can't recommend to many people to contact. All the same Kat and Rudy are both active here and can give you some pointers as well. For me, my big project is trying to engineer a Seminar in the Spring with GM Myung. Actually the real movers and shakers are Joe Connolly from Skokie and Jeff Forby from southern Illinois and there is no telling how this is going to shake out. But I'm always available to support an effort if theres anything I can do. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:21:03 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The right stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Eric writes: > there is a student in our dojang that probably will > never be able to throw a head high roundhouse. It's not because he > hasn't tried, more that his body mechanics won't allow it. He started > martial arts in his mid thirties and may simply never be able to get > his > hips that loose. Now I could be wrong about this, he may someday become > this flexible, but if not, so what? Should he always be held up at 3rd, > 2nd or 1st gup? Hello Eric: You have touched on an issue that almost everyone who teaches encounters some day, and it has the potential to cause some real problems when the more "able" students look down on those whom hey believe are less able. Fe people realize that the entire gamut of martial art techniques we teach is a collection of possible self-defense scenarios that fit a wide variety of people. In my own curriculum, there are a large number of techniques that simply do not fit my present ability, and some never did because of my height. Some Instructors, not realizing this, have even discarded a large portion of the repertoire they learned as "useless stuff". Little did they realize that this useless stuff might have been just the thing for some of their students. Similarly, there might be some techniques in a given curriculum that are no longer very useful except for training various parts of the body... for example some of the more exotic weapons manipulations. A good curriculum has something for everyone, and a good teacher must realize that a high kick to the head is as useless in a Canadian Winter as any useless stuff ever was. Hence, it is essential that we recognize that this technique is not one that should hold up progress for someone who cannot perform it. In closing, this should not be taken that hard work and a certain amount of ability can be discarded, we should merely recognize that there are different strokes for different folks. There is a certain amount of wisdom in NOT expecting a student to perform techniques or exercises that will hurt his or her body. Doing so would violate the first rule of self-defense, and a good Instructor would find you some techniques more suited to your condition of restrictions. Having the right spirit (Jung Shin) is much more important (even in a real fight). Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:56 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_was_me....._?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jim: "......I am terrible with names, but I want to say that I have seen these somewhere . . . maybe on here at some point? ....." I brought them up when I saw their announcement posted in the TKD TIMES this last month. I think this is yet one more tentacle of the Wannabees' organization. Its another Kwan "recognized by the KHF" and somemore rank "recognized by the KHF". I would be surprised if the book was "recognized by the KHF". If "grandmaster" is the Korean word for "send the money my way" then "recognized by the KHF" is the Korean phrase meaning "and we get a piece of the action, too." FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest