>From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #432 - 11 msgs >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:33:09 -0700 > >Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > ><<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. >1500 members. > >See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Pil Seung! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Associations (Stuart Rosenberg) > 2. The roots of a system (Rudy Timmerman) > 3. Making your mark (L. Veuleman) > 4. coming to LA (L. Veuleman) > 5. Re: Wanna be (Beungood@aol.com) > 6. Tuition and paypal (Hapkido Self Defense Center) > 7. Re: KF (Ray Terry) > 8. Delegation (Charles Richards) > 9. Re: Associations (Ray Terry) > 10. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Japanese_vs_Korean?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) > 11. Balance again (Charles Richards) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Stuart Rosenberg" >To: >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:17:11 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Associations >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Dear Sirs, People, or Persons, > >I noticed some people seem to be picking on the KHF or KHF "recognized >kwans". > >The KHF is the oldest and largest HKD Assoc. in the world as you all know! >And for the record I'm not implying other associations aren't good or >legitimate. I support a couple different Assoc. where I feel a common bond >with the techniques, philosophy or the people. > >I would like you or anyone to list the "organizations that they feel are Ok >and legitimate" for Hapkidoists to belong to. > >With Honor & Respect > >Stuart Rosenberg > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:32:03 -0400 >From: Rudy Timmerman >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] The roots of a system >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Dr. Covington writes: > > There seems to have been much debate over whether the system is > > Hapkido, JuJitsu, etc. It actually has roots in both, but tends to > > stick with the philosophy of HKD in defensives spheres, etc. Rudy > > Timmerman says it is more JuJitu. He has viewed the system. We > > appreciate his straight forward and honest critique, and time. Seeing > > that the tape Rudy Timmerman reviewed was done in Japanese > > Terminology, there is no other conclusion I would have come to either. > >FWIW. In the tape I reviewed, Dr. Lumpkin performed some very good >technique; however, as Dr. Covington states, I viewed it as being more >Jiu Jitsu oriented. I must add to this that I have studied that art >myself, and I am quite familiar with it. I am also known to be rather >appreciative of other martial arts, and the only criteria I believe in >is the quality of the performers. Shinsei was not accepted in NKMAA >based on my honest belief that the style was more Jiu Jitsu oriented, >and we serve only the needs of Korean martial artists. What I saw on >the tape was good stuff, and Dr. Covington has always been a gentleman >despite not being successful in his NKMAA application. Furthermore, >NKMAA NEVER recognizes new styles or Grand Masters. I am simply not >qualified to do so; hence, I recommended that Dr. Covington make his >request to DJN Ji through GM Cyrus (for the sake of translating). >Personally, I am glad that things worked out for Drs. Lumpkin and >Covington. >Sincerely, >Rudy > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:41:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: "L. Veuleman" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Making your mark >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Bruce, > >Yeah, I once thought it was goofy as well to put a logo on a uniform. I >was actually referring to 'my brand' as my own Brand of uniforms I am >having manufactured, with BLUE WAVE MARTIAL ARTS (my little in school >proshop-gone big time) on the labels. I am going to be reselling uniforms >since no one I know likes century uniforms and Kamikaze is having problems >with supply and consistancy. There is a little market for it in my >system, and I was saying that for me giving them away now is costing me too >much, but when those come in, it won't be anything to give away a uniform >very cheaply. > >As far as screenprinting on the back, I think it is okay now that I am >running the school, and I see the point. > >I much rather prefer what my Keichu buddies do, they have KEICHU DO >embroidered along the lapel in black. Very basic, but distinguishing. I >think some hapkido guys do it, but there is soooo much hapkido, so it >doesn't seem as distinguishing. Maybe the style of hapkido would be >better. Now I am rambling.....I will shut up. > >yitma >Charlie V > > >************** > L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com > Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do > 318-356-7727 > Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing > 318-332-1676 > 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:45:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: "L. Veuleman" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] coming to LA >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Bruce, > >thanks for the info. I will drop a line to the head folks and see what >they think about it. I think some seminars would liven my place up a bit. >We do weapons seminars every once in a while, but I think a little hapkido >would be good to pass along to my guys. Get on a greyhound and be here >tomorrow, K bruce? > >yitma >Charlie V > > >************** > L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com > Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do > 318-356-7727 > Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing > 318-332-1676 > 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: Beungood@aol.com >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:12:21 EDT >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Wanna be >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >In a message dated 10/8/03 7:01:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: >or somebody else of standing suggests him as a teacher of >authentic Hapkido arts maybe I'll give him a whirl. 'Til then he's just >another kid who talks a lot but never says much. A troll by any other >name >A fat kid? > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" >To: >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:41:23 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Tuition and paypal >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >For what it is worth, I started using paypal for tuition on my website a >while back and it appears to work. I also use it for new students, who are >then sent to a detailed registration form, hidden on the website and they >then choose when they start, etc. Jere R. Hilland >www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: Ray Terry >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KF >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:08:21 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > Seems to be legit. > >Dr. Covington, > >That is good news. >What proof did you finally receive that changed your mind? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:17:49 -0700 (PDT) >From: Charles Richards >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Delegation >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ><> >Hello Charles: >Remember the KSB philosophy I shared with you in Jackson: "maximum >result with minimum effort". Now apply this to every day life, and >voila... you have your most talented student write your newsletter and >edit it yourself :) You could even suggest monthly topics. BTW, I >like the Pay Pal idea. See how Ray's list can and does help us all >when we quit bickering. Sharing good technical information and useful >insights will help us all get better. >Sincerely, >Rudy ><> > >Once again >Kamsahamnida Sa Ja Nim > >So shall it be done >I can see the beginnings of my leadership team forming. It's about >time after almost 4 years of blood , sweat and tears with this new >school. Let's see, receptionist, newsletter person, and a few class >instructors. Before long I'll have everything delegated out so I can >train and make trips to exotic places like the LA biyou and Sunny >Canada, neh? > > >Yours in Jung Do, > >Charles Richards >www.mojakwan.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: Ray Terry >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Associations >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > I noticed some people seem to be picking on the KHF or KHF "recognized >kwans". > > > > The KHF is the oldest and largest HKD Assoc. in the world as you all >know! > >Incorrect. The KHF is probably the largest, but it is not the oldest. >Check your history. The Daehan Kidohae was founded as a Hapkido org in >1963, >recongnized by the S.K. Ministry of Education. The Kidohae remains in >operation. > >If it seems that people are picking on the KHF it is only because of the >actions of one chubby 6th Dan down in Florida, the one that claims to be >part >of the KHF. The one that calls himself a Grandmaster. The one that only >brings disrepect to the KHF. > >Hope that helps. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:05:06 -0500 (CDT) >From: >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Japanese_vs_Korean?= >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Dear Keith: > >"...... I know that this may >seem like a foolish question, but how do the throwing techniques in Hapkido >differ from aikido? ......." > >Sometimes I think this will be the bane of Korean MA for the foreseeable >future. The comparisons always seem to be between Japanese arts and Korean >arts with the idea that because some arts were derived from transplanted >Japanese material that ALL Korean traditions can be examined on this >basis. Lets take a look at one example. > >Kendo vs Kumdo. Yes, perhaps as much as 90% of the Kumdo practitioners are >following an activity that is almost identical to Kendo. They compete in >Kendo tournaments and hold standing in the IKF. That does not mean that the >activities are all the same. Traditional Korean sword is much more closely >associated with what the Japanese would call ken-jutsu, but also includes >considerable influence from China including both single and two-hand sword >work, a greater frequency of multiple angle attack and defense and a >greater use of thrusting and coiling. > >Now, lets take at look at Hapkido vs Aikido. As with Kendo/Kumdo once again >the same Chinese characters are used, and once again there are Korean >practitioners such as the IHF who seek close ties with the Japanese Aikido >community. However, once again not ALL Hapkido practitioners train and >execute this way. In fact, most do not. Ueyshiba worked to produce an art >which could encounter an attack and allow the defender to survive while >harmlessly dissuading the attacker. To put it bluntly, in Hapkido we train >to "stop the fight" or as I say to my students "don't send anything my way >you don't want broke". I don't ask some fool to attack me, but if he does I >know that I have my training in my back pocket if I can't stop him any >other way. Yes, Hapkido techniques are executed with more authority and for >this reason my partner needs to stay about a quarter second and a quarter >inch ahead of my technique. Most do this with well-developed breakfalls and >rolls. In Aikido, too often, cooperation becomes compliance or even >deference. In Hapkido the persons' attack is ended because I stopped it. >Also I would point out that traditional Hapkido is a Mu-do, or matrtial way >that includes a variety of weapons which reflect and integrate with the >empty-handed material. > >In closing, let me say that some Aikido people (Tomiki Aikido) have >attempted to put a bit more "meat" into what they do. Seems a little silly >to me. Why take an art dedicated to being defensive and not huting someone >and try to make something more combative out of it? Might as well simply >train in something that is more combative to begin with. FWIW. > >Best Wishes, > >Bruce > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) >From: Charles Richards >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Balance again >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ><> >I think you are right on the money, Charles, but I just don't see >anyone >truely listening to that message, as many times as it has come up on >this >board. FWIW. ><> > >FWIW, I read somewhere that todays generation is being trained to >expect instant gratification. Look at these trends. > >When I was six it was a big deal for mom and pop to sign me up for rec >league baseball in the spring and football in the fall. We watched TV >on an antenea after family dinner and if dad wanted to change the >channel one of us kids got up and changed it and adjusted the antenea. > >Today's six year old needs a flexible schedule so he can do soccer and >boyscouts with his krotty lessons. He/she has their own Playststion, >DVD collection and computer. Every room has a TV with hundreds of >cable channels and a remote. Don't like something, push a button. Now >enter the internet. Look at how fast we click through to the next >website. Want more info or different info, just do another google >search. > >Is it any surprise that this generation can't stay focussed long enough >to learn a 20 move patttern, or the mechanics of a basic kick. Yet, >their expectation/goal is to get a new belt every few months and as >fast as or faster than little Johnny lined up next to them. > >Given all that, I'd rather keep my 20-25 dedicated students of various >ages in my postage stamp size dojang, than have 200-250 students in a >mcdojang, even if it meant I could teach full time. > >Life is full of difficult balances, neh. > >Yours in Jung Do, > >Charles Richards >www.mojakwan.com > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >http://the-dojang.net > >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >End of The_Dojang Digest