Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:47:08 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #433 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Master - Apprentice relationship (Michael Rowe) 2. Re: getting into a van (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 3. Be a good guy (Charles Richards) 4. Re: The roots of a system (Ray Terry) 5. Re: to throw or not to throw (Michael Whalen) 6. Re: Rudy Timmerman's Comments (Dr. Daryl Covington) 7. RE: legit (Dr. Daryl Covington) 8. Re: Bruce's reply to Charles (Dr. Daryl Covington) 9. RE: A paralell string... (Eric Walker) 10. Losing rank (Rudy Timmerman) 11. Re: RE: legit (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:35:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master - Apprentice relationship Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Master - Apprentice relationship is still around. Often it is used by traditionalists - especially those of a Chinese background. I myself have what you would consider to be apprentice students (inner school). The outer school students are my regular 2 times per week students who enjoy the training and work hard etc... The inner school are the truly dedicated ones who live and breath the martial way. They study all that I can teach and are willing to embrace the martial arts as a way of life in all aspects. I have 2 students in this category. Although recently I have found 3 others who I may approach about additional opportunities for training in the future. Michael Rowe If at first you succeed, try to hide your astonishment! mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:44:10 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: getting into a van Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net was it on this list someone asked for ideas on SD while getting into a vehicle with kids? lol...cant remember who asked the question or from which list. my apologies. we have a lot of parents, myself included, with that concern. basically, we just teach awareness up and into the van. then load groceries, etc first and keep your child with you in case the attacker just wants to steal the vehicle. at least you'll have your child with you and not driving off with the car jacker. once you get your groceries, etc loaded into the vehicle, return the cart (if you have one) and keep the child with you. as you get back to the vehicle with the child, again keep awareness level high. put the child in the car seat, but i dont recommed strapping them in until you are in the car yourself. unless, of course, you have a very roly poly infant who'll roll out of the seat. by simply getting them into their car seat and not taking the time to strap them in immediately, you spend less time head in/butt out of your vehicle with no awareness of what's going on behind you. most vehicles will allow enough room for you to be inside of it and continue strapping in the child. if its a van, typically, you can both enter the vehicle, close the doors and lock them before having to put the child into the seat and strap them in. if its a car, many times one can reach the straps to secure the child from the front seat. we have a large older sedan and we can still reach back from the front seat to secure our wee little person. hope this helps, take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Be a good guy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Be a good guy, have good ties with your current parents, and treat your students like students on the floor, and better off of it. The rest will fall into place. Good luck with it. Hey, when you or Mac or Rich or any of the Hapkido guys (excluding controversial FL residents) coming to Natchitoches? (Nack-Ee-tush) I wanna be on the road of the traveling teachers path so we can get some good stuff too. Or is that just for the USKMAF people? I am next to a major interstate ya know....We have lots of buffets.....and Meat Pies..... <> Charlie, I cut and paste your thread as that one line sums up everything you need in an instructor's manual. Your Dojang seems to have the same family oriented, not displaced from students attitude as ours, so we would love to come visit. JR can give you more details, but essentially you could host the legendary USKMAF Stealth Van world tour for a fixed fee. The fee covers not only GM Wests time and travel expense, the van comes with some assistants and/or fall guys for GM to demonstrate on. I think GM West has like an all ages in the morning, and more advanced material after lunch. I'm sure he would welcome an email from you. As to Mac, Rich or I coming I think that's possible too. I'll speak for me. Yes I can come. I would need to email off-list to work out dates and travel expenses. But in simple terms, I would need no more than say a plane ticket and some buffetts and a cot at your house or the dojang. I might ask you to list the event as presented/hosted by the USKMAF so we can list it on the USKMAF website. You can reach me off list at mojakwan@yahoo.com Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The roots of a system To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > There seems to have been much debate over whether the system is > > Hapkido, JuJitsu, etc. It actually has roots in both, but tends to > > stick with the philosophy of HKD in defensives spheres, etc. Rudy > > Timmerman says it is more JuJitu. He has viewed the system. We > > appreciate his straight forward and honest critique, and time. Seeing > > that the tape Rudy Timmerman reviewed was done in Japanese > > Terminology, there is no other conclusion I would have come to either. > > FWIW. In the tape I reviewed, Dr. Lumpkin performed some very good > technique; however, as Dr. Covington states, I viewed it as being more > Jiu Jitsu oriented. I must add to this that I have studied that art > myself, and I am quite familiar with it. www.shinseijujitsu.com is the website for Shinsei, so... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:45:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: to throw or not to throw Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While doing some shopping at a garbage sale (she hates it when I call them that) my wife came upon some decorative items. She bought them because they "looked cool". After a closer look I thought that they might be some type of throwing weapon. I'm pretty sure they are brass although hard to tell as they have a heavy patina on them. Each piece is about seven inches long and half of it comes to a cylindrically tapered point. Midway there is an intricate carving of a dragon with the mouth open. Out of the dragons mouth comes an ancient weapon. There are ten of them and each one has a different weapon. The end of the weapons all have sharp points. I took them outside to my knife targets and they throw fairly easy and stick most of the time. (I had to stop when my wife caught me) If anyone on the list knows of,heard of,seen, or used these, or could possibly point me in the right direction for research I could use your knowledge. Or maybe they are hairpins? Thanking all in advance, michael whalen KSWnut? --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Rudy Timmerman's Comments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir, As always, you speak as a gentleman and stateman. Perhaps you should run for governor of California, ..just kidding. I appreciate you straight forward approach to these matters. Do Ju Nim Ji is not "in the business" of recognizing kwans /styles. We are not looking for recognition, as this is the wrong path to pursue. We are focused on teaching what is there. The world may judge it for what it is worth. The good news is, the techniques work, and have saved lives. That is enough recognition for me. Con Sa Hom Nhe Dha daryl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: legit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just some personal phone calls, etc. Still, The art will stand for itself. All the "rank" that matters is what my instructor bestows. Ability is on the mat, not on the wall, in my opinion. daryl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Bruce's reply to Charles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "don't send anything my way you don't want broke". - Ah, self defense in a nut shell. Enjoyed your response Bruce. I word it like this: Hapkido, AIkido's UGLY cousin. The difference, take what you are given, and break it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:22:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: A paralell string... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Sims, You wrote in part... "In a way isn't this a little like the discussion we have been having on the worth of a Black Belt?" This is what I was trying to get at; this thread about the worth of a black belt I think was started by a news item concerning a 3 year old 1st dan. It has morphed into a more general discussion of what makes a black belt. I'm not a black belt, although I hope to be one by early next year, however conducting our hapkido class and instructing the lower gup ranks often falls within my duties in the dojang. I've been along this path now for over six years, even though I've been hindered a little by unexpected delays from (my ACL reconstruction, the Master's job demands took him away for a year, etc.), this seems to me to be an appropriate amount of time in rank. I say this because Master Toth came out of semi-retirement (teaching only students with black belt in other styles) to teach beginners in 1997, and so far I'm the only student to stick from white belt to my present level 1st gup. I think this has served to slow me down some (I don't have any illusions of being exceptional) since there hasn't often been anyone other than the Boss above me to work with. His beard is starting to gray, and his knees hurt him, so I tend to hold back when I practice with him, I know I shouldn't, but that's the way it is. I know I'm rambling again...I'll try to stick to the point. I guess that point is that time in rank and requirements for such seem, at least to me, to be flexible, and determined by factors that are somewhat abstract. In a system as dynamic as hapkido is, one with so many techniques, it seems that many things ought to be considered in the determining of when to test a student. I think it would be fair to advance a student even if he/she doesn't perform some of the things to a certain level of expectation, since that expectation is/ought to be different for every student. However I think there are some qualifications that should be fixed. Age, maturity, level of discipline, and class attendance are some I can think of. I'm new to thinking in these terms so I certainly defer to your experience and better judgment...so what do you say? Eric --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:41 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Losing rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > Does someone who has made 5th degree begin to lose rank as they find > themselves less and less able to perform the more acrobatic throws and > falling? Hello Bruce: I actually quit martial arts (for a short while) because I thought the back injury I had sustained at work made me ineffective as an Instructor. I guess feeling sorry for myself was a natural reaction to being laid up for nearly two years after being so active. I got shocked into reality when one of my students pointed out that Sugar Ray Leonard and Ali were both coached by an old trainer whom no one had seen in the ring for as long as I can remember (if ever). After this, I began looking at myself as a martial art coach, rather than a black belt, and so far this seems to have worked OK. Nevertherless, I keep my white belt right handy in case the martial arts world figures I am no longer eligible to claim a dahn rank:) As I see it, rank is not what matters as long as I am still enjoying whatever I can still do. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: legit To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just some personal phone calls, etc. Good. Sounds like you were finally able to get the KHF office in Seoul on the phone. That is good... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest