Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:14:11 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #435 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Here's_a_thought?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Apples_and_Oranges=3F_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Han_Mu_Do_Seminar_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. GM Kimm seminar (Bob Banham) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Losing_students?= (jmchie@wideopenwest.com) 6. World Village in Korean Child-Talk (fwd) (Ray Terry) 7. Losing rank (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Who's on first (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Re: Fat kid/Chubby wannabe (Beungood@aol.com) 10. Master Instructor Licensing Course (fwd) (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Re: Fat kid/Chubby wannabe (TKDTOM) 12. Chubby wannabe (Ray Terry) 13. Re: Re: The Next Generation? (Junya Ho) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:59:36 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Here's_a_thought?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Eric: ".....I think it would be fair to advance a student even if he/she doesn't perform some of the things to a certain level of expectation, since that expectation is/ought to be different for every student. However I think there are some qualifications that should be fixed. Age, maturity, level of discipline, and class attendance are some I can think of. I'm new to thinking in these terms so I certainly defer to your experience and better judgment...so what do you say?....." I can't say this will answer your question, but its something I have come to consider with growing frequency. The great martial arts teacher of Okinawa, Sokon Matsumura, taught some of the greatest teachers to come out of that culture. Gichin Funakoshi's teacher, Itosu, was one of Matsumuras' students as were a number of other famous individuals. However, the students themselves began to notice that not only were they not all being taught the same way, but they weren't even being taught the same thing! In fact, if you watch the way followers of Itosu' lineage do Naifanchi and then watch the way followers of Kyans' lineage do the same kata you begin to wonder where someone went wrong! Fact is, though, all of Matsumuras' students learned Okinawa-te. I think the difference was that with each student, Matsumura taught material that exploited the students' strengthes and helped them overcome their weaknesses and these things were not the same for everyone, right? Now, how would this apply to your question? Lets suppose that your curriculum has 100 techniques in it, and 25 you do in stunning fashion, 25 you do OK, 25 you are familiar with and 25 you wish you could dump in the nearest trashcan. Your teacher is responsible for exposing you to all 100. He works to make sure that you maintain your uppermost 25 and are constantly pushing to get the other 75 techniques to move up a notch. In fact, as a teacher he is saying that he is working to develop a Character in you which will want to continue that struggle even after he is gone, or at least no longer shows up. A Black Belt is a way of say not just that you have been exposed to all the fundamentals but you have now accepted the importance of polishing those fundamentals, adding complementary material and gaining additional insight all without any additional need for reinforcing by a teacher. Black Belt means you have become self-reinforcing and all the teacher does is coaches you to come out of the best part of yourself as you continue on your path. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:09:58 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Apples_and_Oranges=3F_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Daryl: ".....Right now, all of those point to the Karate for Christ Website, NOT THE SHINSEI SITE......" (Apologies in advance if you get this question more times than you care to.) The notice I saw in the TKD TIMES talked about ranks recognized by the KHF and/or the NHA. On the other hand most of what I know about KARATE FOR CHRIST seems to deal with Japanese traditions. Does it matter what traditions members of your organization follow? Or maybe to put it another way is the mission of the organization more on the "Christ" and less so on the "Karate"? I think I am having trouble figuring how all of this pulls together. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:18:16 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Han_Mu_Do_Seminar_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many thanks to Chris and Steve both for sharing the information about the up-coming Seminar. There is always a lot of talk about people holding seminars but it is not that often that someone gets a chance to train under an individual of this caliber. I can't speak for what will happen in Florida towards the end of October, but if my travel bucks were thin I know which event I would want to make it to! Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:28:48 +0000 From: "Bob Banham" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Kimm seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, the_dojang, Just to say that we've just had a seminar with GM Kimm here in Europe and you should try and make the one in Baton Rouge if you can. It was around the 40th seminar I have attended with Dojunim Kimm and it was as good, if not better than all the others. We covered combination and counter wrist techniques, sword work, and control techniques. I'm not saying that will be the format in Baton Rouge, what I am saying is that there will be something for everyone! Best regards. Bob Banham mail@nskma.co.uk 2003-10-08 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Losing_students?= Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:46:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce wrote: "I advised all of my private students that they would assume membership in an organization of their choosing and furnish me evidence of that membership." Do you mind if I ask why you felt that was necessary? I can think of at least a half-dozen reasons off the top of my head that a legitimate student would prefer not to belong to a national or international organization. I notice you specifically did not mention in your post what transpired in August and September to trigger the decision, so if it is an issue you do not want to discuss, or discuss publicly, I understand. I noted at the end of your post you said you would prefer to instruct someone who wants to learn over someone you have to educate . . . does this mean you find that students who do not join larger organizations fall more into the latter category? I know my own instructor has chosen not to belong to or affiliate himself with a specific Hapkido association, with some reasons he has discussed with us and some I am sure he has not, and more than some days after reading this list and perusing budoseek I can understand why. Don't get me wrong, I can see very good reasons to belong to larger organizations. I can also see an instructor requiring their students to join the organization they belong to for the purpose of having students' rank officially recognized, although I do not necessarily agree with that requirement in principle. Maybe there are practical considerations I do not have the experience to know or would know intuitively. Just looking for additional information . . . Jim --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] World Village in Korean Child-Talk (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Below is a link to a short article describing the new language and net-orthography taking hold amongst the young of Korea. It gives graphic descriptions of the emerging orthogrphic standard among the teens. It also offers up delightful examples of word-coining. There is even an account of "standards" battle between the older teachers and the youth, the youth telling the teacher what's what. My Korean teacher used to take great delight in retelling the little ditties by Korean children. He would chuckle at the beginning of the telling, during the telling, and for quite a while after the telling. The following is a report on the child-language in Korea. The reporter is putting the article in the context of the Hangul Founding Day, to wit, the children are making a mess of the language. But, all in all, I could not help detecting the same "guffaw" and "chuckle" and "delight" at the cleverness and the charming ingenuity of the children. Finally, the artcle ends with what amounts to the first published commentary on the quality of full hangulization of the legal code. -Still not happy. http://news.naver.com/news_read.php?oldid=20031008000026919093&s=453&e=68510/8/2003 Daily Economy Regards, JooBai Lee jblee6952@hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:51:55 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Losing rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > Does someone who has made 5th degree begin to lose rank as they find > themselves less and less able to perform the more acrobatic throws and > falling? Hello Bruce: I actually quit martial arts (for a short while) because I thought the back injury I had sustained at work made me ineffective as an Instructor. I guess feeling sorry for myself was a natural reaction to being laid up for nearly two years after being so active. I got shocked into reality when one of my students pointed out that Sugar Ray Leonard and Ali were both coached by an old trainer whom no one had seen in the ring for as long as I can remember (if ever). After this, I began looking at myself as a martial art coach, rather than a black belt, and so far this seems to have worked OK. Nevertherless, I keep my white belt right handy in case the martial arts world figures I am no longer eligible to claim a dahn rank:) As I see it, rank is not what matters as long as I am still enjoying whatever I can still do. Sincerely, Rudy Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:05:38 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Who's on first Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff writes: > Not to be too argumentative but just to be fair, Minimum Effort, > Maximum Efficiency is a Judo maxim since about 1880. I, however, > expouse this maxim as part of my school charter and the theory of our > self-defense and living. But I doubt it originated with KSB. Never said it did, just said we use it as a principle. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:04:35 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fat kid/Chubby wannabe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/8/03 12:17:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: If it seems that people are picking on the KHF it is only because of the actions of one chubby 6th Dan down in Florida, the one that claims to be part of the KHF. The one that calls himself a Grandmaster. The one that only brings disrepect to the KHF. Are you sure he is a 6th Dan and not a 4th? --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Instructor Licensing Course (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Master Instructor Licensing Seminar in San Francisco Please note the USTU Master Instructor Licensing Seminar in San Francisco set for October 17 & 18, 2003 has been canceled. Please call the USTU national office with any questions at (719) 866-4632. Information regarding 2004 seminars will be posted on the website. US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "TKDTOM" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Fat kid/Chubby wannabe Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:19:56 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Back in the early 90's Mr. Hackworth attended a TKD testing and was introduced as a 4th Dan in Hapkido by the head instructor of the school. This is the one and only time I ever saw Mr. Hackworth and have no additional information about him or his Hapkido. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fat kid/Chubby wannabe In a message dated 10/8/03 12:17:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: If it seems that people are picking on the KHF it is only because of the actions of one chubby 6th Dan down in Florida, the one that claims to be part of the KHF. The one that calls himself a Grandmaster. The one that only brings disrepect to the KHF. Are you sure he is a 6th Dan and not a 4th? _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Chubby wannabe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Back in the early 90's Mr. Hackworth attended a TKD testing and was > introduced as a 4th Dan in Hapkido by the head instructor of the school. > This is the one and only time I ever saw Mr. Hackworth and have no > additional information about him or his Hapkido. An interesting fact. Thanks for sharing. Did he test in TKD? He also claims to be a TKD Master and the four time Gold medal winner in the Korean National TKD Championship. This he told me to my face... while he was eating. While he has claimed to be a HKD 9th Dan and a 7th Dan and insists on calling himself a Grandmaster, it appears that he is none of these. The only thing we know for sure is that he is not a Grandmaster, no matter how many times he signs his name that way. Sad... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Junya Ho" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The Next Generation? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:57:06 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hwang In Shik studied under Choi Yong Sul, not Ji Han Jae. There's an abbreviated bio here: http://www.worldhapkido.no/grandmaster_hwang.htm Don't know anything about Tae Jung except that he was Hwang In Shik's student in Korea. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The Next Generation? > I don't know this particular person so I went out on the Web and dig some > digging. For those who are interested I found that Tae Jung studied under > In Shik Hwang and made his reputation choregraphing fight scenes in MA > movies. In turn In Shik Hwang studied under Chi Han Tsoi, known to most in > the Hapkido arts as Ji Han Jae. Tae Jung is now the president of the World > Hapkido Association, not to be confused with the World Hapkido Federation > of GM Myung. Tae Jung has also studied Kumdo under the "legendary > grandmaster Kim, Sohk-soon." I still need to dig a bit as I have not heard > of this particular Korean "legend". --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest