Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:14:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #472 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Announcements, Fakes, and Frauds... (Ray Terry) 2. RE: Plyometrics (Stovall, Craig) 3. RE: Meaning of Palgwe (Manuel Maldonado) 4. Cross Training (L. L.) 5. Re: palgwe meanings (scottm@scubadiving.com) 6. Breaking (Divetony@aol.com) 7. Re: JAMA (Michael Whalen) 8. Today's meeting (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Breaking (Jye nigma) 10. Re: Cross Training (Ray Terry) 11. Re: RE: Meaning of Palgwe (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Cross Training (Jye nigma) 13. Palgae meaning (David Weller) (John Merwin) 14. Announcements at Dinner (FirstPe315@aol.com) 15. Jumping and Stuff (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Announcements, Fakes, and Frauds... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Now I find this interesting, purely because the people who attended didn't > say anything about this whatsoever. Considering that this dinner was in > front of "all who attended" ---those who attended, do you remember this > part? What annnouncements were made? And who were the "fakes and frauds" > that were mentioned? > > I guess I'm just finding it odd that several people from this list were > there, but no one said any announcements were made---and now supposedly > "everyone" attended the dinner where the announcements were. I think what they are claiming is that there was a small private dinner held after the open seminar. I've never seen anything like that happen before, but I guess it is possible. Unlikely, but possible. I'm curious... were people permitted to get their $$ refunded since the seminar portion was not as advertised? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:42:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Plyometrics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wanted to reiterate one point about plyometrics, since I'm seeing others suggesting that as a means to increasing jump ability (which it is). Plyo should always (hate that word) be used in concert with a strength training program (read: lifting weights). Exploring plyometrics without establishing a respectable baseline in terms of muscular strength is begging for injury. In addition, plyo is not a program unto itself. Again, it is an adjunct to weight bearing exercise. Every piece of literature that I have read stresses the fact that plyo CANNOT be done frequently...it's just too stressful if you're doing it right. Well conditioned (read: high strength to mass ratio) athletes are advised to do one (MAYBE two) plyo sessions per week per body area. Ultimately, you would shoot for one plyo session for lower body explosiveness, and one for upper body (in addition to the weights). That's plenty. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:07:09 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Meaning of Palgwe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forgive my stupidity, I thought that Kon, Tae, Ri ect were the meanings of the Tae Guk Poomse. So what you are saying is that the Palgwe and Tae Guk have the same meaning? Are they the same forms? I studied the Tae Guks in Korea got my 2nd Dan Kukkiwon never did or seen the Palgwe. Please enlighten me. Manuel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "L. L." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:19:31 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cross Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been studying TKD for 3 years and made it to 1st degree black belt. I want to cross train with ju-jitsu or shuri-ryu karate. Does anyone know about shuri-ryu karate (okinawan karate)? When you do cross train how you keep up with one martial art as oppose to other? I don't want to lose the TKD skills.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: scottm@scubadiving.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: palgwe meanings Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just read the post by mr. terry on this; quite fascinating! i've practiced korean martial arts around 6 years and never knew there were specific meanings behind the palgwe forms. if anyone else has insight on other tkd/tsd poomsae like this, please post. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Divetony@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:56:19 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Black Belt testing is a few months away and for some reason I am having problems with my breaking technique, primarily hand techniques. I have the strength and my instructor has elped me with the method I need to use but I am not comfortable with my focus. Any sugestions on how to prepare for breaking? (I will still need my hands to work the day after testing) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:16:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: JAMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >For my money JOURNAL OF ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS is still the top of the heap but its getting harder and harder to find in the stores. I agree and if you subscribe to the magazine it's cheaper than the news stand and is delivered to your mailbox miuchael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Today's meeting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Today I met a very nice man and woman, husband and wife team...The Amodeo's. Master J. Michael Amodeo (6th dan kukkiwon) and his wife Betty Amodeo (4th dan kukkiwon). I visited their school today and was greet with a very pleasant, genuwine warm welcome. We talked a little and it was so funny, Mrs. Amodeo asked if I studied and I said yes in Connecticut and she said, "hmmmm...let me see who do I know in Connecticut....ummmm only person I know is GM Moo Young Lee..." What a small world! GM Moo Young Lee was my teacher! I told here that and we all got a big kick out of that. They have a very nice looking school, and if their classes are anything like their character it's destined to be legendary! This review is brought to you by the letter 'P'...lol Jye __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Breaking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You must use intense concentration. At some point between launched and striking, doubt and uncertainty has entered your mind making you quality of focus poor. So just practice on maybe one of those rebreakable boards. Practice focus, intense concentration and execute the technique. Also, you must follow through. Your energy MUST be targeted behind the target, unless you're doing a break where the energy stops at the target dispersing across the board....I typically do that type of break with speed breaks. Jye --- Divetony@aol.com wrote: > Black Belt testing is a few months away and for some > reason I am having > problems with my breaking technique, primarily hand > techniques. I have the strength > and my instructor has elped me with the method I > need to use but I am not > comfortable with my focus. Any sugestions on how to > prepare for breaking? (I will > still need my hands to work the day after testing) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cross Training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:07:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have been studying TKD for 3 years and made it to 1st degree black > belt. I want to cross train with ju-jitsu or shuri-ryu karate. Does > anyone know about shuri-ryu karate (okinawan karate)? When you do cross > train how you keep up with one martial art as oppose to other? I don't > want to lose the TKD skills. Personally I'd go with JuJutsu instead of Karate (given your two choices). The new skills you'll learn will be very different from what you've already learned in Taekwondo. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Meaning of Palgwe To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Forgive my stupidity, I thought that Kon, Tae, Ri ect were the meanings > of the Tae Guk Poomse. So what you are saying is that the Palgwe and Tae > Guk have the same meaning? Are they the same forms? I studied the Tae > Guks in Korea got my 2nd Dan Kukkiwon never did or seen the Palgwe. > Please enlighten me. Manuel The Palgwe were the official Kukkiwon forms for only a few years. I'd have to check in the list archives, but I think it was circa 1968 (?). Then the Taeguek forms were created. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cross Training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have crossed trained for quite sometime now. It really depends on the person. I was doing boxing, snake fist boxing and TKD at one time. I always kept the kung fu and TKD separate to show respect until sparring came around then I felt that sparring was MY time to use everything I have learned. But to answer your question, you keep all the styles separate in your mind. If TKD teaches you to kick a certain way, learn it, but in your other art, unlearn it sort of speak and learn what is at hand. It's not as hard as you think it's kind of like an actor being 2 separate characters and not messing up and mixing them together. *Honestly, although I studied different systems I messed up at a tournament and mixtured 2 TKD forms together and not the TKD and kung fu form. Hope that helped alittle. Jye --- "L. L." wrote: > I have been studying TKD for 3 years and made it to > 1st degree black > belt. I want to cross train with ju-jitsu or > shuri-ryu karate. Does > anyone know about shuri-ryu karate (okinawan > karate)? When you do cross > train how you keep up with one martial art as oppose > to other? I don't > want to lose the TKD skills.  __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Merwin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Palgae meaning (David Weller) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave asked what is the meaning of the Palgaes check out this web site: http://fisks.com/tkd/palgwe_poomse.html CIMA only uses the palgaes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:57:50 -0500 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Announcements at Dinner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To All- I don't know about anybody else. But the only "open invite" was to lunch on Saturday and that was without Oh Se Lim and his entourage because they were not even in attendance that day. If there was a dinner with Oh Se Lim that evening (which Mr. Hackworth did mention to me) only certainly people were invited (i.e. Connolly, Carver, Mr. Pointer and a few others). There was no open invitation to the seminar participants for dinner on Saturday evening. And I painfully stayed for every hour on the mat on every day so I definitely would have heard such an announcement. Of Course, it wouldn't surprise me if it was by special invitation only because I'm usually the black-sheep of most groups. Oh Well. Of course, if Dr. Hackworth wants to only invite certain people to dinner that is his business and I have nothing to say about that. Of course, certain announcements that effect the whole "community" would, I think, be appropriate for all to hear at some point. This of course, was not forthcoming. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:49:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jumping and Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Rudy's suggestion reminds me of the story about the young man who went to an old teacher in order to learn martial arts. He wanted to become a strong fighter so that he could return home and defeat his bullying brother who had robbed him of his rightful share of the family property. Well, the old man starts the training by giving the young man a newborn calf to hold in his arms, and tells him to jump over a small sapling every day until he grows weary. After a few years of this, the young man decides to ask the teacher when he will be taught to fight so that he can return home and defeat his brother. The old man looks on as his student hefts the full grown bull over his shoulder in preparation of leaping over the 20 foot oak tree. He replies, "Go back home...you shouldn't have any problems from your brother". ;) <<>> Two cautions I have against this. The knees will take a beating on the landing. Also, since the weights are on your ankles, the resistance doesn't come into play until after you've jumped...so the thighs have already done their job with no additional resistance. I'd say hold the weights in your hands...that way you get some resistance, plus you can drop the weights before you land and save your knees a beating. On a similar note, I've seen a lot of magazine articles lately that proposes doing repeated jumps while holding HEAVY dumb bells. The going up portion is fine...it's the coming back down part that makes my knees ache just thinking about it. <<>> There's actually a plyometric drill that involves continual bounding while using the ankles as the primary mover. It's pretty easy to keep the legs straight (although with a slight bend...not locked out) without using bamboo or some such. A stronger ankle will definitely make for a stronger ability to jump. Speaking of which...here's some more specialized stuff I was told to do back when I was a high jumper. I was told that each night as I got out of the shower, I should put the damp towel on the floor in front of me, stand on one end of it, and then roll the towel up under my feet as best I could by "scrunching" my toes. I was also told to pick marbles up off of the floor by pinching them between my big toe and second toe. What's this got to do with jumping? The idea is that your toe is the last thing to leave the earth, so no matter how much force you can generate through thigh flexion and hip extension, your jump will lose power if the toe is not strong and firm. If the toe gives, you will lose power...if the toe is firm, you will transfer more force against the ground. Highly specialized stuff, but something to consider. Your first priority should be to develop the leg strength and explosive hip extension (squats, deads, O-lifting, etc), then the ankle strength/stability, and then work on the toes when you decide to make an Olympic bid. The chain is only as strong as its weakest link, but I believe the biggest gains are to be had in the thigh/hip/glute strength work. The Voice of Reason Corner: be realistic about your training. We were not all engineered to have 36-inch vertical leaps (alas). High calve length to thigh length ratio is thought to be more optimal for jumping and sprinting. If you have relatively long thighs, don't be disappointed if you don't turn into Spud Webb over night. There are also genetic differences in the performance of the Patellar Tendon reflex, and that's got more to do with who your momma and daddy were...all the squats and plyometrics in the world won't fix it if it ain't hard coded a certain way...sorry. Happy jumping. Craig "White Men CAN Jump...but not at my age" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. 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