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(no subject) (Aaron Lassman) 2. Re: Jumping and Stuff (Jye nigma) 3. Worthless certificates (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Diggin deeper (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Frauds, Fakes, and Rules (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Aaron Lassman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:06:30 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey all, I am new to the group and a new student of TKD and am currently 8 KUP (green belt here), though I have studied a few forms of Kung Fu over the years (Kajukenbo and Tien Shan Pai), I also have studied TSD (but that was more years ago than I care to admit). I am pretty flexible for a fella (so all the women say in my morning class) but I am having some issues with my hips. I notice it most while trying to do the TKD style round house kick (I am an american recently moved to Mexico taking TKD while trying to learn Spanish and the Korean terms for these moves, please excuse my lack of proper TKD terms at the moment). It seems I lack the medial rotation skill and flexability necessary to do the kick correctly without having to come home and take a handful of motrin after class. I have been trying a couple of different stretches that don't seem to be helping much and I don't have the language skills i need to ask my instructor. Any ideas??? In good health, Aaron Lassman, CMT "I am not the same having seen the moon shine on the other side of the world" -Mary Anne M.B.L. Radmacher (www.wordshop.com) _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Jumping and Stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That was funny! reminded me of the boy who wanted to learn shaolin kung fu and the teacher had him fill a caldron with water and he slapped water until he had to refill it and when he did he kept slapping it, doing this for years....he was allowed to visit his family and they all questioned about shaolin kung fu and being upset he said he learned nothing and slap the wooden table in frustration....and it broke. Jye --- "Stovall, Craig" wrote: > Rudy's suggestion reminds me of the story about the > young man who went to an > old teacher in order to learn martial arts. He > wanted to become a strong > fighter so that he could return home and defeat his > bullying brother who had > robbed him of his rightful share of the family > property. Well, the old man > starts the training by giving the young man a > newborn calf to hold in his > arms, and tells him to jump over a small sapling > every day until he grows > weary. After a few years of this, the young man > decides to ask the teacher > when he will be taught to fight so that he can > return home and defeat his > brother. The old man looks on as his student hefts > the full grown bull over > his shoulder in preparation of leaping over the 20 > foot oak tree. He > replies, "Go back home...you shouldn't have any > problems from your brother". > ;) > > > > << these methods...though > that could put undue stress on your joints...>>> > > > > Two cautions I have against this. The knees will > take a beating on the > landing. Also, since the weights are on your > ankles, the resistance doesn't > come into play until after you've jumped...so the > thighs have already done > their job with no additional resistance. I'd say > hold the weights in your > hands...that way you get some resistance, plus you > can drop the weights > before you land and save your knees a beating. On a > similar note, I've seen > a lot of magazine articles lately that proposes > doing repeated jumps while > holding HEAVY dumb bells. The going up portion is > fine...it's the coming > back down part that makes my knees ache just > thinking about it. > > > > << is impossible bending > your knees. > > The thought is, that your ankles will get stronger. > You can start with a > hole less deep.>>> > > > > There's actually a plyometric drill that involves > continual bounding while > using the ankles as the primary mover. It's pretty > easy to keep the legs > straight (although with a slight bend...not locked > out) without using bamboo > or some such. A stronger ankle will definitely make > for a stronger ability > to jump. > > > > Speaking of which...here's some more specialized > stuff I was told to do back > when I was a high jumper. I was told that each > night as I got out of the > shower, I should put the damp towel on the floor in > front of me, stand on > one end of it, and then roll the towel up under my > feet as best I could by > "scrunching" my toes. I was also told to pick > marbles up off of the floor > by pinching them between my big toe and second toe. > What's this got to do > with jumping? The idea is that your toe is the last > thing to leave the > earth, so no matter how much force you can generate > through thigh flexion > and hip extension, your jump will lose power if the > toe is not strong and > firm. If the toe gives, you will lose power...if > the toe is firm, you will > transfer more force against the ground. Highly > specialized stuff, but > something to consider. Your first priority should > be to develop the leg > strength and explosive hip extension (squats, deads, > O-lifting, etc), then > the ankle strength/stability, and then work on the > toes when you decide to > make an Olympic bid. The chain is only as strong as > its weakest link, but I > believe the biggest gains are to be had in the > thigh/hip/glute strength > work. > > > > The Voice of Reason Corner: be realistic about your > training. We were not > all engineered to have 36-inch vertical leaps > (alas). High calve length to > thigh length ratio is thought to be more optimal for > jumping and sprinting. > If you have relatively long thighs, don't be > disappointed if you don't turn > into Spud Webb over night. There are also genetic > differences in the > performance of the Patellar Tendon reflex, and > that's got more to do with > who your momma and daddy were...all the squats and > plyometrics in the world > won't fix it if it ain't hard coded a certain > way...sorry. > > > > Happy jumping. > > > > Craig "White Men CAN Jump...but not at my age" > Stovall > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email transmission contains privileged and > confidential information > intended only for the use of the individual or > entities named above. If > this email was received in error or if read by a > party which is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, > disclosure, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error or are unsure > whether it contains confidential or privileged > information, please > immediately notify us by email or telephone. 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:45:58 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Worthless certificates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ??? writes: > there are numerous 1st, 2nd and 3rd > Dans and Pooms who have a worthless school certificate > (and no Kukkiwon replacement) from a man who > fraudulently misrepresented these certificates Dear subscriber, why not place your name at the end of your message, so we can address the reply to the proper originator. In any case, your point is a sore spot with many organizations that can be very difficult to remedy. As one who runs NKMAA, I have had personal experience with Instructors accepting funds on our behalf from their students and telling them that they are now legitimate NKMAA members. Only problem is that I never heard of them or received their application. In most cases, these same Instructors do not give their students the NKMAA passport (it is too expensive to make for a few students), so the student is now peeved at NKMAA. The Instructor does nothing to save our good name, so this student will only learn the truth if he or she decides to contact us direct. The same goes for certificates. It seems that the intermediaries (the Instructors) are more to blame than the organizations. Unfortunate indeed, because the organizations don't even know a problem exists. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:47:54 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Diggin deeper Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas writes: > I heard this one in a even more Spartan way. > The good thing is, you don't have to dig that deep at first. > > Tie bamboo sticks around your legs, thus making is impossible bending > your knees. > The thought is, that your anckles will get stronger. Hello Klaas: It seems that we Dutchmen are the only ones who bought into that:) Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:23:46 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Frauds, Fakes, and Rules Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Robert writes: > Additionally, GM Oh spoke at length concerning the "fakes and frauds" > in the > Hapkido community. Listing these here would not only be too long to > list, > but would be in violation of BudoSeek's rules. Hello Robert: A short while ago I was the butt of the joke on Budoseek, and it took some time before someone stepped in to enforce your "rules". Some nice folks stepped in to defend my honor to make this happen, and I appreciated that; however, I did not even bother to reply to the insults and threats, because I have no desire to participate in such garbage. Just wondering if your rules got lost when it concerned an old Canadian fraud posing as "the Viagra Man" as your friend likes to call me:) BTW, if anyone had bothered to look back on how the "feud" between your friend and myself started, s/he would have been instantly made aware that I never did personally challenge your friend. I merely said:" in the old days such things would have been settled with a visit to the antagonist's Dojang", meaning that garbage did not take long to settle once and for all (so we bystanders would not be subjected to having to read it on a daily basis). Your friend apparently decided that this general reference about the way things were settled back then was a personal invitation for combat. When I received his ridiculous offer to meet me in the ring, I posted it on the DD for all to see the insanity of it all. Not one to turn down such an invitation, I mentioned my pending visit to Orlando where such a thing could be taken care of in an ally or parking lot rather than a ring where honorable folks meet. Immediately after my public response, I received a personal email from a friend of your friend who asked me very pleasantly not to continue because "things were getting bad for martial arts". I agreed with the understanding that this was the wish of the other party involved. Now your friend makes the ridiculous claim on Budoseek that I avoided him in fear of getting a beating. Reason for this post is to share with you some of the things that led up to several personal attacks made on me (and several other innocent bystanders) by your friend, and I thought you might like to hear the other side of the story. It may help you keep the Budoseek forum from perpetuating this paranoid behavior of your friend. BTW, I DO admire the loyalty you, the person who asked me to put an end to the nonsense, and Master Clay have toward your friend. Too bad he takes advantage of your loyalty and good intentions. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest