Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:59:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #477 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Re: USOC & USTU (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 2. BudoSeek (Jim McHie Jr.) 3. RE: Jumping and Stuff (Buffy) 4. Respect (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Chayon-Ryu (Eric Walker) 6. Seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Re: BudoSeek (Jesse Segovia) 8. Street attack (Rick Guzman) 9. He young Kimm TKD book (gaby noufaily) 10. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Do_we_practice_martial_arts=3F_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 11. M.A.-Ph.D. course offered at the Academy of Korean Studies (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Seminar (bmac2) 13. Re: Chayon-Ryu (bmac2) 14. Re: Korean language (ABurrese@aol.com) 15. Re: worried about fraud (ABurrese@aol.com) 16. High Kicks (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: USOC & USTU Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:01:40 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 8. The USOC will seek the cooperation and assistance of the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) during this process and request that the WTF initiate decertification proceedings concerning the USTU's membership in the WTF; ------ Wow! I wouldn't have thought that the USOC would request the WTF to kick out the USTU... That's pretty extreme. Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jim McHie Jr." To: Subject: [The_Dojang] BudoSeek Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:04:27 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randall: One of the reasons you might be having trouble with Budoseek! is that as of today, the Hapkido forum was completly locked by the webmasters. With the event this weekend, there was increasing traffic regarding the KHF from both sides that the moderators finally decided had reached it's breaking point with respect to petty exchanges. There is a post at: http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4299 that indicates that the closure is temporary until the forum can be cleaned out and new rules posted. Jim McHie Jr. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Jumping and Stuff Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:14:33 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Your first priority should be to develop the leg strength and explosive hip extension (squats, deads, O-lifting, etc), then the ankle strength/stability, and then work on the toes when you decide to make an Olympic bid." My english is not so good so I'm not sure I know the "squats, deads, O-lifting, etc" drills. Can anyone explain them for me? I do the the "etc" by the way :o)) Thomas --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:53:18 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Respect Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: > I'm talking about the Korean contingent. If they really showed up and > treated people like that...it's > just sad. Hello Craig. As always, I enjoy your unique way of posting:) While I have had some less than stellar treatment from some Korean folks myself, I must say that I have been treated with respect by GM Seo. In fact, everyone else at his seminars were treated the same respectful way; whats more, this man is on the floor for the duration, and you WILL get your money's worth if you pay attention to his technique. I am not one for giving credit where none is due, but I have had no complaints with GM Seo. Mind you, IMHO, it takes some skill to see the quality of his motion, and it may be lost on some. Personally, I wish I could spend more time with him. Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:07:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chayon-Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have any info about this style or about Mr. Kim Soo? I ask because my Aunt has started training in this school in the Houston area and has recently injured herself rather significantly (ACL tear) while readying herself for her 8th gup test. A flying front kick to break a board seems a little advanced for this level to me. Anyone have any thoughts on this out there? Also does anyone have any recommendations for KMA in Houston (inner-city) schools? I think it would be a good idea for her to find a less commercial place to train at. I think hapkido would suit her well. She's still got to recover from the ACL reconstruction but would like to continue her training. She is leaning towards returning to the same school, but I would like for her to consider some options. Thanks, Eric --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:14:13 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net David writes: > A much much much smaller scale than GM West or GM Timmerman's, but one > does what one can. Hello David: I never worry about the scale of things. Some of my most enjoyable seminars were actually quite small in numbers. IMHO it is the enthusiasm of the presenter and the folks attending that makes for good seminars. I hope you have a great one:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:19:06 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: BudoSeek Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: >I think personal attacks are fine if >for example, the individual puts out videos that show lack of skill > I'd would love to read a review on these tapes. Would you mind posting one? Jesse --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Rick Guzman" To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:26 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Street attack Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all martial artist: I have read from past emails that high kicks are not recommended in a street attack. So then, what 5 initial moves and where would you suggest are the first pre emptive strikes against an attacker on the street? Thanks Rick --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "gaby noufaily" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:12:12 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] He young Kimm TKD book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have Grandmaster's kimm Taekwondo Book, if yes could you please tell me, what this book contains of information and  is it an excellent book or not thanks in advance gaby  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:25:27 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Do_we_practice_martial_arts=3F_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Grant: "......Hmm... perhaps some find legitimacy in false histories, but still... a term's meaning is defined by its use, and the phrase "martial arts" is used in reference to Asian (and sometimes Western) fighting arts that share certain characteristics. What those characteristics _are_ is an interesting question, but I don't think a military background is one of them....." I can't fault your logic one bit. Where I get confounded is that just about every notable personality and style seem to work so very hard to draw a connection with some military heritage. GM Lee for years drew connections with the Hwa Rang warriors, and it was popular lore for many TKD traditions that warriors of the Three Kingdoms period used TKD on the battlefield though under the moniker of "soo bahk". Okinawa-te has its share of MA mythes which include Okinawan farmers beating seasoned Japanese warriors with nunchuka and their bare fists. And not a few Okinawan personalities are recognized as individuals of standing in the palace as body guards or precinct police. Here on DD folks infrequently mention military training and quite recently there was the discussion of the new fighting system in the US Marines. All of this said to show that I recognize that there is some connection (real or imagined) between what we practice and its serious application. But, as you say, lets think that a military background is not a necessary requirement. How do we then justify the use of the term "martial". Would "civilian art" be just as appropriate as these arts are practiced predominantly by civilians. Would "combat art" be appropriate, even in a sport application? Would "pugilism" be appropriate even if some arts such as Hapkido and Yudo are mostly throws and submission. Would "warrior arts" be appropriate even if some instructors only teach the physical aspect and do not strive to imbue their students with a particular code? Can an activity purposely gelded by removing particularly deveastating techniques continue to be called a "martial art"? (I direct anyone who is curious about this last question to pick-up a copy of AIKIDO TODAY magazine and consider the attitudes for the editorial staff.) To my mind, Grant, we come down to a simple question. What is it that we are doing that allows us to continue to use the term "martial" in what we are doing? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:50:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] M.A.-Ph.D. course offered at the Academy of Korean Studies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... The Graduate School of Korean Studies at the Academy of Korean Studies has constantly been developed as a pivotal institution of Korean Studies with support from the Korean Government and Korean Studies scholars around the world. From the year 2004, the Graduate School will begin the Program of International Korean Studies in addition to the existing six departments to further the international promotion of Korean Studies. While the six departments continue to focus on deepening research on Korean Studies, students for the new program are to be educated towards contributing to the international development of Korean Studies in close co-operation with the other six departments. Accordingly, students for the new program are expected to attend classes conducted in English and to write their dissertations in English. Foreign students in the Graduate School are exempted from admission tuition fees. In addition, they will receive more privileges if they maintain a high scholastic record in their academic studies. Furthermore, students who successfully finish their coursework under the Program of International Korean Studies will have the opportunity of doing further overseas research. The deadline for applications to the Program of International Korean Studies to is 29 November 2003. For more information: http://www.aks.ac.kr/EngHome/, click on Graduate School Professor Cheong, Kubok Dean, The Graduate School of Korean Studies, The Academy of Korean Studies --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:25:11 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello David, As long ans nothing interferes and I survive BB tesing and power weekend in the Soo, I hope to attend and bring a student or two. Kat ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:02:33 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chayon-Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net May be repeated mail.... ISP playing holloween tricks LOL Hello Eric, I have met one of the black belts who trains under Mr. Kim Soo at his Spring TX location here in Houston. I also recommended a young summer student of mine to this school strickly on his recommmendation and location. I must agree with you that a flying kick at this level as well as an ACL tear sounds strange and out of the ordinary. At our dojang we teach the Hapkido style of Kong Shin and put safety first. We are at located at the corner of Chimney Rock and South Braeswood, my instructor is Master Rudy Timmerman. I would love for your aunt to come by and take a free class or two. Please forward her my information and I will do whatever I can to help. Kat Kelly Braeswood Martial Arts 713-283-6000 bmac2@ev1.net www.braeswoodmartialart.com ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:25:11 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean language Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Mr. Burrese, that deal about your wife not speaking correct >>Korean was too funny (and sad). First, please call me Alain. We know each other, many on the list know each other and while I appreciate respectful titles, I'm very comfortable with just being called Alain. :-) I've actually had two American HKD people tell me that Yi-saeng and other Koreans did not know Korean. The first was someone many know since he has a number of books and a few videos out. In his book and on his website he stated that Kwanjangnim meant grandmaster and you had to be at least 7th dan and have promoted someone to master to have this title. I pointed out to him in a polite e-mail that kwanjangnim means school owner. When I taught at the hogwon in Korea, the teachers used to call the owner of that school Kwanjangnim too, and it had nothing to do with the MA. The first time I heard Yi-saeng call him that, I looked at her and she told me, it's not just for martial art school owners. However, I recieved an e-mail back saying that he did not know why the Koreans were using the term like this and that the definition in his book and on his website was the correct meaning. It was polite though, and he didn't start calling me names and insulting me and others, etc. like the other time I mentioned that a Korean word had different meanings. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:31:32 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: worried about fraud Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I will be one of the instructors at a professionalism CLE (Continuing Legal Education) in November. I'm worried now, because if I'm a fraud of a speaker, wouldn't a room full of layers be able to figure it out, since they should know what fraud really means, including all the elements of fraud that need to be present to proove such a claim in court. :-) Sorry, I really should be more positive, but just the fact that my speaking was called fraud because I did not attend Richard's event still has me laughing at how stupid some people can be, wondering where and why that comment came from, and still a bit ticked because I don't like being called things and having things said about me by the likes of someone like that. Make a great day! Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:21:42 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, rterry@idiom.com CC: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] High Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net High Kicks Bill Tucker: I am a 49-years old and I have practice both TKD and TSD. I started TSD MDK at age 16 and I have stayed flexible by regularly stretching even thou there were many years which I was not in a MA school and did not practice regularly. I can still kick to the head, but it is not as easy as when I was younger. I have pretty much stopped performing jump kicks because I seriously injured my leg a few yours ago when I was sparring a 19 year old man. I had forgotten that I was in my late 40’s and I was giving the 19 year old a good match. It ended up being a real learning lesson for me. After my injury, I told my TKD instructors that I would not do jump kicking any more. My GM, who is 56, told me to do what I can, but do not risk injury. Today, I still enjoy TKD even thou I have stopped jump kicking. My wife, who is 41, also practices TKD and she kicks only chest high, like you, but she can get her front kick up to head high. She enjoy TKD even thou she can not kick high. In any case, I understand your challenges with high kicks. I strongly recommend that you stretch out everyday and do not give up. Proper warming up and stretching before you practice are very important when you get older. Having said that, I also recommend you use good judgment and do not risk serious injury. You should read the book "Martial Arts After 40" By Sang Kim becasue it has some very good suggests. Bill, I believe you can enjoy TSD without the high kicks as well. You should discuss it with your instructors before you make any decisions about quitting. Good Luck John --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest