Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:20:05 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #478 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Street attack (Jerry Lynde) 2. credentials (Mario Bertacco) 3. Private Dinner and attendence (J T) 4. Did H practice at the seminar? (J T) 5. Books on Korean art history (Ray Terry) 6. Posting to Budoseek (J T) 7. Buffy's Question. (Stovall, Craig) 8. Chayon-Ryu (d.mchenry@juno.com) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Its_that_time_of_year_again.....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. Re: Street attack (Jye nigma) 11. Chayon-Ryu (mfalba@cox.net) 12. 20th International Seminar (J.R. West) 13. Re: kickin high (Michael Whalen) 14. Re: houston schools (Michael Whalen) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:32:10 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jerry Lynde Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Street attack Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A voice from the shadows whispers... it depends... :D Happy Halloween, y'all!! Jer, Hapkido Beginner At 12:00 AM 10/31/2003, Rick wrote: >To all martial artist: > > I have read from past emails that high kicks are not recommended in a >street attack. So then, what 5 initial moves and where would you suggest are >the first pre emptive strikes against an attacker on the street? > >Thanks Rick >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mario Bertacco" To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:38:47 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] credentials Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking to verify credentials on a Master in the World TKD Federation, is this information posted anywhere online? Does anyone have an email address for this Federation? thanks Mario --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Private Dinner and attendence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I think what they are claiming is that there was a small private dinner held after the open seminar. " There were 50 out of the 70 people who were in attendence of this dinner. Perhaps if any of them read this board they could let us know what happened. I was informed that the Pres. Oh Se-lim was expecting about 120 people at this but on you 60-70 actually showed. He must have been very disappointed. Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:55:55 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Did H practice at the seminar? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff, Did Mr. H actually get on the mat and practice with everyone? Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Books on Korean art history Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Dear colleagues, I would like to announce the following four books on Korean art history, which have already been adopted by some universities as textbooks. Handbook of Korean Art vol. 1. Buddhist Sculpture by Youngsook Pak and Roderick Whitfield. London and Seoul: Laurence King and Yekyong Publishers. 2002. 479pp., 324 colour illustrations. ISBN: 1 856693 58 9. 5.1 x 6.7", paper. $21.95 Handbook of Korean Art vol. 2. Earthenware and Celadon by Youngsook Pak and Roderick Whitfield. London and Seoul: Laurence King and Yekyong Publishers. 2002. 279pp., 238 colour illustrations. ISBN: 89-7084-191-1. $17.95 Handbook of Korean Art vol. 3. White Porcelain and Punch'ong Ware by Jae-yeol Kim London and Seoul: Laurence King and Yekyong Publishers. 2002. 311pp., 210 colour illustrations. $17.95 Handbook of Korean Art vol. 4. Folk Painting by Yeol-su Yoon. London and Seoul: Laurence King and Yekyong Publishers. 2002. 373pp., 314 colour illustrations. ISBN: 89-7084-194-6. $18.95 Three more volumes (Koguryo Murals and Buddhist Paintings, Choson Paintings and Metal Work) in this series will be published in 2004. You can visit the website: www.paragonbook.com. Youngsook Pak Department of Art & Archaeology School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) University of London Thornhaugh Street London WC1H OXG E-mail: yp@soas.ac.uk HISTORY OF ART -- ARCHITECTURE -- ARCHAEOLOGY -- ASIA & AFRICA FOR DEGREE PROGRAMMES, RESEARCH AND SEMINARS SEE THE SPECIALIST WEBSITE: www.soas.ac.uk/art --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:17:47 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Posting to Budoseek Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randall, where did you try posting. If it was the HKD forum, then you will not be able to because they locked that forum up. And they are deleting out some of the posts. With respect, Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:27:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Buffy's Question. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Well, that was my post, so I'll clarify a bit. Squats = the squat lift from the sport of powerlifting. If you're not familiar, there are tons of written and web resources out there. Deads = deadlifting...again from the sport of powerlifting. Same as above. These are very simple lifts that can be easily learned from a book or video, but I recommend a minimum of coaching help to make sure the form is correct. When done correctly these lifts will build legs and backs that are healthy and strong. When done incorrectly these lifts can cause permanent injury to knees, hips, and spinal columns. O-lifting = Olympic style weightlifting. These are very technical oriented lifts consisting of the "snatch" and the "clean and jerk". Again, there are some resources out there to learn them, but I would not pursue these lifts without the help of a professional coach who understands these movements. These lifts involve hefting a weight above your head in a very explosive manner. They cannot be done in a rack (to my knowledge) like the squat, so one of the critical skills is knowing how to ditch the weight when a lift goes bad. Aside from those cautions, I am of the opinion that there are no other lifts known to man that will build power and functional strength to the degree of these two movements. Smart athletes (and fighters) are moving away from the muscle beach isolation movements that have been embedded in the training culture of American sports due to bad information and poor research. In turn, they are making Olympic Lifting (and their close companion movements) the core of their Strength and Conditioning program. These lifts are valuable in that they are performed in a standing position (most sports are played on the feet, yes), and that they train the athlete to use the entire body as one unit in order to move the weight. This is in contrast to the muscle beach attitude/methodology ("Today is my leg day, and tomorrow is shoulders"). Hope this helps. Happy lifting. Craig "Master of the 12 oz. Curl" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:33:50 -0600 From: d.mchenry@juno.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Chayon-Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Eric, > Does anyone have any info about this style or about Mr. Kim Soo? I've trained under his brother, Kim Chang-Soo (Kimuk Soo, 27 years ago) as well as Kim Pyung-Soo (Kim Soo, about 22 years ago), so it's been a while. He teaches a lot of stuff, so can take longer to reach Black Belt than in other programs. When I trained with them, it was very traditional, simular to Moo Duk Kwan. > I ask because my Aunt has started training in this school in the Houston area and has recently injured herself rather significantly (ACL tear) > while readying herself for her 8th gup test. A flying front kick to break a board seems a little advanced for this level to me. Depends. Yes it is more advanced, but the beginners sure love to do it. I have a broken wrist right now because one of my new white belt students did a flying side kick while I was holding a shield for him - kicked me clean off the floor and I fractured my wrist. I even gave him and his son an extra patch (Am & Korean flags patch w/TangSooDo) because I was so impressed. I've never been knocked down by a kick before... maybe I'm just getting too old for this?? :-) > Also does anyone have any recommendations for KMA in Houston (inner-city) schools? I think it would be a good idea for her to find a less commercial place to train at. I think hapkido would suit her well. I know Ms. Kat Kelly responded with: > At our dojang we teach the Hapkido style of Kong Shin and put > safety first. We are at located at the corner of Chimney Rock and > South Braeswood, my instructor is Master Rudy Timmerman. She shouldn't be too far to get to and I would also highly recommend her school as well. I would suggest going by to meet her and see how her classes are run. Good luck in your (and your Aunt's) training. Mac ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:50:45 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Its_that_time_of_year_again.....?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A quick reminder to exercise care if you are taking the little ones out to Trick-or-Treat tonight. Some of the things to remember include--- 1.) costumes that allow full range of motion and full field of vision. 2.) Light colors or reflective materials are preferable. 3.) Maintain visual contact with the kids at all times. 4.) Escorting to the the door is old-fashioned but preferable to waiting at the street. 5.) Packaged treats are preferable over unwrapped treats and all treats should be checked at home with no snacking until then. 6.) Treating in early evening is preferable to later, darker hours and all small children should have a designated area, a pre-determined period of time and a curfew. This is not the night to go discovering new parts of town that you have never been too before. 7.) Everybody carries an ID even if its just name and ph# written on the front or back, and kids stay in small groups rather than run ahead and lag behind. 8.) Consider attending an in-door group activity as an alternative to trick-or-treating. 9.) Consider making yourself available around the neighborhood or outside your home to monitor as kids move from place to place. Just some odd thoughts..... FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Street attack To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would not kick any higher than the waist level. Honestly, in most of the real do or die fights I've been in I hardly used my legs. I mostly used my hands. Everything seems to happen in split second timing and before you know it, the fight is over. Besides in my case I had to end the fight as swiftly as possible because you would never believe the violence that followed. So to answer the question. I stay light on my feet parrying, evading, and striking both hard and soft targets. If for some reason the guy gets a hold on me and I can't get out of it the focus is on his joints and structurally weak areas of his body...like his knees. Where I'm from you do what ever it takes to never hit the ground, *we have this thing called the Connecticut Stomp that was a favorite trademark of ours...and others in the city...lol. The most common attack I've seen in real fights to start them off are the basic cross or straight punch...and only the knuckles heads throw a straight kick to the shin followed by a straight punch. Jye --- Rick Guzman wrote: > To all martial artist: > > I have read from past emails that high kicks are > not recommended in a > street attack. So then, what 5 initial moves and > where would you suggest are > the first pre emptive strikes against an attacker on > the street? > > Thanks Rick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chayon-Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Eric: My name is Mike Falba and I am a Cho Dan in Chayon-Ryu. It is what I consider a very comprehensive system of Korean Martial Arts made up primarily of TKD and HKD but also includes Chinese Chaun Fa, one and two person forms as well as several Shotokan Forms. Chayon-Ryu means “Natural Way” and was developed by GM Kim Soo. It’s wonderful. At Cho Dan Level I knew the following forms: Taegeuk 1 – 8 Palgwe 1 – 8 Koryo & Geumgang ITF Forms: 1 – 14 1 Chaun Fa form and two Shotokan forms. My breaks were as follows: White Belt – Spinning Kick Orange Belt – Running front kick Yellow Belt – Back Kick Green Belt – Skip Side Kick (2 boards) Blue Belt – Flying Side Kick over six students 4th Purple – flying front kick 3rd Purple – Flying Round house kick 2nd Red – 360 Flying back kick 1st Red – Flying spinning kick 1st part Cho Dan Bo – Hooking kick and outside down kick 2nd part Cho Dan Bo – Chop two concrete blocks and a simultaneous break of 4 boards with two vertical punches and two front kicks all at the same time. I passed my Cho Dan at age 45, no injuries so far. Accidents in training do happen. They’re unfortunate but a reality. I don’t think that it is the system to blame. They’re just accidents. Thanks Mike --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" , "Martial Science" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:27:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] 20th International Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have just secured the dates for the 20th International HapKiDo and Korean Martial Arts Seminar, which will be held IN IT'S ENTIRETY at the Jackson Southwest Hotel on March 5th - 7th 2004. I will be sending out info packets within the next few weeks, and if anyone would like to receive one, just send me your mailing address. Thanx for your time.......J.R. West --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:31:10 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: kickin high Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I have read from past emails that high kicks are not recommended in a >street attack. So then, what 5 initial moves and where would you suggest are >the first pre emptive strikes against an attacker on the street? > >Thanks Rick Nothing like a good 'ole stomp to the knee to even things up (if they can't walk they can't chase you as you make your exit) and/or a palm strike to the nose will give you some time to get out of Dodge as well as blur their vision, hearing...... (can't see ya, can't attack ya). michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:36:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: houston schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >8th gup test. A flying front kick to break a board seems a little advanced for this level to me. A little advanced ?????? KSW (Soft/Hard Style) Meyerland Martial Arts 713.777.5470 michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest