Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 03:01:47 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #480 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: street attacks (Aaron Lassman) 2. Ho Shin Sul Seminar (Manuel Maldonado) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Chayon-Ryu?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Honor?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Old Time Training (Kevin Janisse) 6. Re: Where are the (KMA) others? (David N. Beck) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Aaron Lassman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:38:28 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: street attacks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net PS. all that previous advice is my personal experience... but i have to whole heartedly agree with that whisper from the shadows... it depends... In good health, Aaron Lassman, CMT The Worlds Greatest Massage Therapist "I am not the same having seen the moon shine on the other side of the world" -Mary Anne M.B.L. Radmacher (www.wordshop.com) _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:25:06 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ho Shin Sul Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm planning on hoasting a Ho Shin Sul seminar here in Los Angeles CA, in March of 2004 any one interested in this event please contact me. I'm trying to keep it as cheap as possible $60.00 per person for a four hour seminar. We will be brining in a 9th Dan, 8th Dan and a 6th Dan. Also if the good Loard willing I'll be promoted during the seminar to VI Degree. This seminar will be one day only thease highly respected Hap Kido Masters are planning on touring the US and Los Angeles is their first stop. If you would like to have them visit you just say so on the Digest as one of them is a member Master Julian Lim. Thank you again Master Manuel K. Maldonado Ho Do Kwan tae Kwon-Do Association ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month.* *Depending on the local service providers in your area. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:17:53 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Chayon-Ryu?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "......> My name is Mike Falba and I am a Cho Dan in Chayon-Ryu. It is what I consider > a very comprehensive system of Korean Martial Arts made up primarily of TKD > and HKD but also includes Chinese Chaun Fa, one and two person forms as well > as several Shotokan Forms. Chayon-Ryu means Natural Way and was developed by > GM Kim Soo....." "....If it is Korean... why is it a Ryu?...." My guess is that there are some things I am just not going to be able to get past and perhaps the need for folks to continually recombine material so as to report inventing a "new" art is probably one of them. Its not the use of "ryu" to identify a Korean art, or the mixing of technology for various arts or traditions. I am simply having a hard time understanding why a "New" art needed to be invented. Would it not have sufficed to simply train in some tradition, say TSD for instance(TKD+HKD+Chuan Fa+ Shotokan Forms?), and then represent oneself as teaching TSD albeit with a somewhat modified approach? Why, especially need it be a new art? BTW: Is it known how GM Kim Soo selected his particular set of techniques and why they were structured in the order that they are? BTW#2: As long as I am revisiting old themes, perhaps this would be a good time to ask, yet once again, with such a steep performance expectation from White to Black Belt 1 & 2, where exactly does one go from that point. What is left to significantly differentiate 3rd dan from 2nd or 4th dan from 3rd.? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:29:52 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Honor?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....If you do that, you'll probably experience a whole lot of learning, make a whole lot of friends, and leave behind something for the next wave of fertilized eggs to build on. To the peasants out there...have fun with your belts, positions, certificates, organizations and hierarchies. Anything that makes it easier for you to look at yourself in the mirror each morning can't be all that bad. Just don't expect me to show up at your S&M pajama parties...I'll be too busy having an authentic experience with another genuine human being....." BTW: For those who may not believe it, whats being touted here in Craigs' post is definitely not for the faint of heart. I have met more than a few folks who would rather break concrete blocks all day long, jog til their feet bleed and spar for hours without end rather than face down their true Self for whatever it is and committ to making that Self better. The darker side of our natures are quicker, easier, more seductive in promising us gratification and who among us would not rather have such immediate gratification than face down the arduous tedium of polishing ourselves a bit at a time over a lifetime of years for no reason greater than that is what we are here for. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:04:46 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Old Time Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "This week of training will be done in the manner I was taught back in the fifties" I would just like to add that no one has ever died.......yet. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:42:28 -0600 From: "David N. Beck" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Where are the (KMA) others? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hello David: > I never worry about the scale of things. Some of my most enjoyable > seminars were actually quite small in numbers. IMHO it is the > enthusiasm of the presenter and the folks attending that makes for good > seminars. I hope you have a great one:) > Sincerely, > Rudy Folks, this is why GM Timmerman has the reputation he does. I've never been to one of his seminars, met the man, talked with him, or even exchanged emails with him. We come from completely different KMA lineages, and he is by far my senior. Yet this is how he treats me. Thank you sir. -- David N. Beck dnbeck@beckmartialarts.com http://www.beckmartialarts.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest