Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #484 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Seminar with DoJuNim (Ray Terry) 2. 20th International and other stuff (J.R. West) 3. hapkido - time in rank.... (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 4. RE: Short time BB's (Eric Walker) 5. High kicks.... (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. REPLY TO BERNARD Breaking (Bernard Maginnity) 7. Interesting TKD video ad (Dennis McHenry) 8. Re: REPLY TO BERNARD Breaking (Jye nigma) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Master_Rim,_too_fast=3F_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar with DoJuNim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seminar with Hapkido's DoJu JI Han-jae at Farshad Azad's dojang in Chico, California. Info attached. Contact Farshad for details. Thanks. Ray ======================================================================== Fees: Seminars: $60 for a single session. $110 for 2 sessions. $150 for 3 sessions. $175 for 4 sessions. $200 for 5 sessions. $225 for 6 sessions. $250 for 7 sessions. $275 for 8 sessions. $300 for all 15 sessions. Friday, November 14, 2003 Session 1: 9-10am = Advanced Wrist Session 2: 10-11am = Advanced Kicks Session 3: 11-12pm = Tan Jun Breathing Session 4: 1:30-3pm= Weapons Session 5: 3-4pm = Advanced Hands Saturday, November 15th, 2003 Session 1: 9-10am = Basic Kicks Session 2: 10-11:00= Basic Wrist Session 3: 11-12= History Session 4: 1-2:30 = Anti-Abduction Session 5: 2:30-4 = Throws Sunday, Nov. 16th, 2003 Session 1: 9-10am = Knife Defense Session 2: 10-11:00= Kick Defense Session 3: 11-12= Meditation Session 4: 1-2:30= Punch Defense Session 5: 2:30-4= Counter Throws When? Friday, Sat. & Sunday November 14-16th, 2003 Where? Azad's Martial Arts Center 195-B Humboldt Ave. Chico CA. 95928 Phone: (530) 892-2923 (530) 896-0777 Fax: (530) 566-9428 E-Mail: kjn1@sbcglobal.net Website: azadsmartialarts.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:22:44 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] 20th International and other stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dr. Kimm has confirmed that he WILL be present on Saturday during the 20th International HapKiDo and Korean Martial Arts Seminar in Jackson, MS in March. If you have one of the good Dr.'s books and want to get it signed, or just want to get one of his books, this is a great time to do it. I have received a bunch of requests for info packages, and I will get them out no later than next week. We will be heading out for Ft. Wayne, IN for a Saturday HapKiDo seminar this weekend, and I am looking forward to seeing Master Hilland, Bruce Sims (I have not forgotten about your tape, it's just that other things have occupied my mind lately), and many other old friends. Dr. Tavassoli is back in town for the week and will be in class tonight......I have missed him and it will be good throw him around again (and again etc.)......J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:09:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido - time in rank.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John: How many levels of BB Dan are in HapKido? Traditionally - 9. Some 9th dan have promoted themselves 10th dan. Are there any age requirements for BB Dan? This is going to be different for every organization. Personally, I adopted the Poom system for minor students. Other than that, it is time in rank, etc. I assume there are minimum skills requirements for promotion to BB 1st Dan in Hapkido. Are higher-level Dan promotions based more on good politics, friendships, money, etc.? Quality of technique, time in rank, etc. BTW I saw the post on 1-5th dan in 9 years. I went from 4th-5th dan in 9 years! Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:18:32 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Short time BB's Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi John, You wrote; "I have been on the DD for less than a year. During this short time, I have noticed that Hapkido Black Belts can get promoted very quickly. There is the KHF representative ("US Director") in Florida who apparently went from 4th Dan to GM within a few years based on some prior DD postings. I just reviewed GM Rim’s web site and he went from 1st Dan to 6th Dan in 6 years. His web site states: "Mr. Rim started training in Hapkido in 1964... Mr. Rim received his black belt in approximately three years. By 1973, Mr. Rim was a sixth degree black belt and the chief instructor at Mr. Choi's dojang." (Based on GM Rim’s pictures, it appears that he can also stop a sword attack to the head with his bear hands. This is very impressive. ) I assume these big guys are good MA’s and they were promoted as they stated. MY questions are as follows: How many levels of BB Dan are in HapKido? (10, 20,30, etc.?) Are there any age requirements for BB Dan? I assume there are minimum skills requirements for promotion to BB 1st Dan in Hapkido. Are higher-level Dan promotions based more on good politics, friendships, money, etc.? Does one normally test for the higher Dan promotion? If not, what level do the promotion test stop? Please do not feel like I am picking on Hapkido, I know some of the other different MA styles probably have examples like the two above. I also know Hapkido is an excellent KMA. Thanks John" ---I have to admit this is true a lot of the time. Unfortunately it seems as though the hapkido community is much like many other things in life. You must wade through the morass of mediocrity (and worse) to get to the gems on the islands. I think the problem may lie in the relatively disorganized, constantly evolving state that hapkido is in. There are folks out there, many of whom are regular posters on the DD that are attempting to rectify the disorganization that exists in hapkido, however their efforts, when successful, will never stop the charlatans, self-promoters and crooks that are always lurking on the fringes of any group. Human nature, my friend, is what it is. For what its worth, many of us have been training in hapkido for many years, and the ranks that we hold are legitimate, and follow some basic rules laid down by "tradition". However as you've already stated there are many that end up promoted for political reasons or for other ($$$) reasons. This is just a fact of life. I simply don't allow myself to be upset or shocked when I find out that someone is a liar. Instead I concentrate on truth, and when I do that I tend to find it. By the way you should refer to Mr. Stovall's post on "peasant v. warrior" honor from a couple of days ago, I think it says just about all there is to say in this matter. Eric --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:30:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] High kicks.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just some thoughts on high kicks after reading this thread for the past few weeks. I have only used a kick once in 'the real world', and it was a jumping reverse crescent kick. I do not have a problem kicking to the head. But I am no longer able to kick higher than that. When I was a student in the 70's, we called 'high kicks' kicking straight up, everything from the head and down were called 'low kicks'. But that was just the terminology my teacher used, as his English was not very good and he could perform a side kick straight up without stretching out at all. My hips are getting worn out and rusty over the years, but I can still kick to the head without warming up - if I have to - once, without any problems.:) But I have been doing kicks for 29 years and I prefer to teach my students to twist the attacker up like a pretzel now.:) I do have a few students (many in the kids class and a few for the younger ones in the adult classes) who enjoy being able to perform a casual kick to head, either by kicking towards the head or jumping up in the air first. It is also easier to perform simple kicks than simple joint locks, etc. for the new student. It gives them something to use while the are learning the basic motion of chogupsul (beginner hapkido techniques). Jumping kicks, high kicks, low kicks (kicks to the legs) are no less of our arsenal of technique than joint locks, throws, pressure points, etc. But I will never expect a white belt my age to ever by able to kick above the waist. It would be futile to for them to try. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:02:40 +1100 From: "Bernard Maginnity" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] REPLY TO BERNARD Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Jye has made a fairly good assessment of what is required for the type of breaks you describe. Speed vs Power. The break you describe is difficult in any case. Once you have missed a break once and/or hurt yourself in the attempt, each subsequent attempt will be harder as you are no longer only trying to beat the board, but now you are also trying to beat your mind. To expand on what Jye has suggested. Meditate. Picture yourself doing the breaks, with speed and breaking the board each time. Use this image in your mind along with practice. A few suggestions would include; pin a piece of paper in the air attached to string. Practice your hand strikes on this trying to get the paper to 'snap'. This will help with speed strikes, however power strikes take an entirely different training approach which I will not go into now. This list is a great place to start as there is so much depth of experience to draw upon. Good luck Bernard NOTICE The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. 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Mission Australia has implemented anti-virus software, and whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's responsibility to ensure that any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to use. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:57:49 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] Interesting TKD video ad Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is an interesting video from the Kukkiwon web site advertising "The 1st World Taekwondo Muye Championships" and the rules for the compitition. http://hosting.kornet.net/pnserver/kukkiwon/muye/muye_Info.ram Enjoy, Mac ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] REPLY TO BERNARD Breaking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What I also forgot to mention, is proper hand conditioning helps to keep the hand safe from damage [during the break]. ***I remember striking the paper, but in my training, I hand to hit the paper to put a hole, tear, rip, etc., in it using only speed. As a youngster, back then I practiced practiced and it never seemed like I would ever do it, but with patience, proper training, etc. it was done, and that actually is nice to have in one's arsenal of tactics. Basically teaches smooth, explosive speed. Jye --- Bernard Maginnity wrote: To expand on what Jye has suggested. Meditate. > Picture yourself doing > the breaks, with speed and breaking the board each > time. Use this image > in your mind along with practice. A few suggestions > would include; pin > a piece of paper in the air attached to string. > Practice your hand > strikes on this trying to get the paper to 'snap'. > This will help with > speed strikes, however power strikes take an > entirely different training > approach which I will not go into now. This list is > a great place to > start as there is so much depth of experience to > draw upon. > > Good luck > > Bernard > > NOTICE > The information contained in this electronic mail > message is privileged and > confidential, and is intended only for use of the > addressee. If you are not > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any disclosure, > reproduction, distribution or other use of this > communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication > in error, please notify > the sender by reply transmission and delete the > message without copying or > disclosing it. Mission Australia has implemented > anti-virus software, and > whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's > responsibility to ensure that > any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to > use. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:57:01 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Master_Rim,_too_fast=3F_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....From 1st Dan to 6th Dan in only 9 years?!?...." I wish I knew how to feel about this. There is just something very different about the way that Korean nationals seem to feel about handing out rank versus other folks. I had a chance to visit the RIM HAPKIDO website and noted that Choi, Yong Sul visited Master Rim and provided him with a certification acknowledging his competence in Hapkido. I thought this was a bit strange as Master Rim had left Korea with a 6th Dan in Hapkido from Choi Yong Sul. I didn't understand why it would be necessary to furnish a cert specifically to recognize skill level in a 6th dan. Anyhow, perhaps Chuck or Ahmed would be willing to discuss this material, and I tell you why I think this is so important. Folks like Master Rim will continue to be influential for a few years to come and I have gotten the impression that he is the sort of person who would be forthcoming in answering questions. That would truely be refreshing after some of the loop-d-loops we have been put through lately. Somehow, someway we need to get a better understanding of how Korean nationals, Korean emigres and US nationals see the KMA coming together. I think I have a pretty good sense of how the commercial folks see things. I'm probably ready to consider another point of view right about now. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest