Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:32:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #492 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. surgery Thursday (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 2. Quick Hapkido Rank (United HapKiDo Academy) (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 3. Re: Song of Sip Sam Seh (Bernard Redfield) 4. Re: Re: Kicks to the head (Jye nigma) 5. Re: Why is it a "Ryu"? (Jye nigma) 6. Re: One strike is enough (Jye nigma) 7. Formation of American KiDo Association (Vic Cushing) 8. Eric on TSD... (George Peters) 9. Bruce on TSD ....... (George Peters) 10. surgery (bill hon) 11. Re: The_Dojang digest, In 3 moths black belt (gaby noufaily) (Raymond Navarro) 12. Re: The_Dojang digest, :_Doju_Stuff_?= (Raymond Navarro) 13. back home (Ray Terry) 14. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dead_Black_Belts_Society_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 15. 10th Dan (Kirk Koskella) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:20:01 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, rterry@idiom.com Subject: [The_Dojang] surgery Thursday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray Terry Best of luck with your surgery today/Thursday. I hope all goes very well and you have a speedy recovery. Cheers John --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:44:20 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, rterry@idiom.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Quick Hapkido Rank (United HapKiDo Academy) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Joseph Corchado, Nashville, TN You stated that Mr. Garland contacted you three months ago and that he is in your town. Since he has open the door by contacting you than you should get together with him in a friendly setting. At a later date, you should try to work out with him before classes at your school or his school and, if all go well, maybe have some friendly sparring matches. This opportunity will give you a chance to ask him your questions and judge his skills. You may find that he is a great MA, someone who can teach you a few things and maybe he will become a good friend. Just some friendly advise. Cheers John --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:47:55 -0500 From: Bernard Redfield To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Song of Sip Sam Seh Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George, I must have missed some digests, here is the Song. Song of the Sip Sam Seh     Never neglect any of the Sip Sam Seh. The source of the will is in the waist. Pay attention to the slightest change from full to empty. Let energy flow through the whole body continuously. Stillness embodies motion, motion stillness. Seek stillness in motion. Surprising things will happen when you meet your opponent. Give awareness and purpose to every movement. When done correctly all will appear effortless. At all times pay attention to the waist. Relaxed clear awareness of abdomen, the energy can be activated. When the base of the spine is erect, energy rises to the top of the head. The body should be flexible. Hold the head as if suspended from a string. Keep alert and seek the meaning and purpose of your art. Bent and stretched, open and closed, let nature take its course. Beginners are guided by oral teaching. Gradually one applies himself more and more. Skill will take care of itself. What is the main principle of the martial arts? The mind is the primary actor and the body the secondary one. What is the purpose and philosophy behind the martial arts? Rejuvenation and prolonging of life beyond the normal span. So and eternal spring. Every word of this song has enormous value and importance. Failing to follow this song attentively, you will sigh away your time --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Kicks to the head To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well to me. If one practices high kicks they become proficient at those high kicks. If they want to become proficient at low kicks, they practice those kicks. I say this because high kicks and low kicks are executed differently. High kicks require the deliverer to lean back. However; low kicks can be done standing upright, leaning forward to have the body behind the kick. I can't see high kicks strengthening the legs to kick low. Jye --- "K. Barends" wrote: > But is this also a reason not to practice high > kicks? > > If you can kick high fast, you can kick low very > fast. > My guess would be that you strengthen your legs more > when practicing > high kicks, and thus your lowkicks become better. > > -- > kind regards, > Klaas Barends > http://www.hapkido.nl/ > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Why is it a "Ryu"? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think where the difference lies is how ryu is written (at least in english) like "Koga-ryu", it isn't written together like Kogaryu. I've never heard of manchu-ryu either. Jye --- Khalkee@netscape.net wrote: > What's the interpretation of "ryu"? If you think > that it's a purely Japanese term, then check out the > old names of Kogu-Ryu and Manchu-Ryu ... Manchuria > (Mongolia) and Korea, eh? > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. > Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. > Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:21:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One strike is enough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There was once a fight between some crips and others in my city. One of the crips ran toward a guy and the guy punched him in the throat...he is now doing life in prison. Jye --- Charles Richards wrote: As far as pre-emptive strikes, I'd say be careful with the law and striking first. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:26:29 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Vic Cushing Subject: [The_Dojang] Formation of American KiDo Association Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am setting up a new organization designed to help grow and unite Korean Martial Artists. Unlike most of these ventures, this will be a true "association" where the members, affiliated schools, and any independent federations that choose to affiliate with American Kido Association will own the association. I am volunteering to set up this organization and have invested some money to get it going, but this is not a business venture for me, and the membership can decide what my services are worth and can elect someone else to run the organization after two years. Checkout American Kido Association (AKA): http://www.americankido.com My stewardship of this venture does not mean that I am claiming any special skills or superior abilities on the mat, just that my organizational background should help in this effort. My resume is available at http://modernhapkido.org/resume.htm I already have separate plans in place to turn over the ownership of the International Modern Hapkido Federation to its school owners and not my family when I am gone. Bruce, what changes would take place in the major federations, if they did these moves. Perhaps they would actually serve their members. Take a look at the AKA website, and fire away with ideas, suggestions criticisms either here if Ray deems it an appropriate subject or privately if it consumes too much bandwidth. Victor M Cushing President and Founder www.modernhapkido.org --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:11:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Eric on TSD... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: Quite right in your observation,however don't the sum of all these movements transmit to "waist movement"? At least this is what I have been taught. All the power that comes from the legs and hips meet in the waist and are transmitted from there, hence the power must still come from the waist.(Not me trying to "win " a discussion, just what I have been taught) Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:29:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce on TSD ....... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: I was quite interested in your post. I have been shown by friends of mine who practice Chinese arts many times how the open hand is faster than the closed fist, and have also observed many other practictioners do as you stated. The org I belong to says to always have the hand in a closed fist, I will have to inquire why. Can you think of a good reason for this? I mean on all levels gup to dan. Thank you for your time. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:56:57 -0800 (PST) From: bill hon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] surgery Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Get well soon. Bill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, In 3 moths black belt (gaby noufaily) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi and be blessed Gaby Noufaily. I am a HapKiDo sabomnim and have been teaching 26 years this art and I will be sincere with you; all is posible ! If you are in Korea and the cost for the first month is worth your while and you have the time to train this long a day, then deside that it is worth your time and money keep with it - If it is by contract ask to see a training setion - because it is really dificult to get that good for you to have a BB in short a time. I can understand it being in 10 to 14 months but can not understand for it to be reached in three months. I did it in 11 months back in 1977 but had already a 3rd Dan in Tang Soo Do and a 4th Dan in Tae Kwon Do. A personal comment : Thought my teacher did not gave me my BB cert until 10 years later... Yours in HapKiDo Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo HapKiDo International Panama Republic of Panama 4. In 3 moths black belt (gaby noufaily) Message: 4 From: "gaby noufaily" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:07:38 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] In 3 moths black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net KHF gave me the Email of a hapkido master in Korea to studywith him, I contacted him he told me that in three months training intensively with him 8 hours everyday,evenif I have not previous experience in martial artI will get a black belt from him, a certificate from his school and a KHF certificate and an instructor certificate also. I was surprised to hear this because I know how much time someone need towork hard and intensively, to master a technique.I asked him are you going to teach me all the belt requirements or a part of them, he told me 70 to 80% of the techniques, and if you train hard with me you will be able to teach in your country.I asked him also what people would say if they knew that in 3 months I got a black belt,did I train in a martial art school or a business school or a store?he told me that he understand what I am saying andI have to trust him,I have to train hard with him,and after to train hard in my country,I have to go every year to korea to study with him or try to bring him to my country to make a seminar....I would like from youto advise me and tell me if I can invest my money to travel to korea and to study with this master( responsible in KHF)thanks in advance.gaby _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, :_Doju_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi and be blessed Bruce. I do not know about Anthony but I learned that the school ouner should be SabomNim. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo HapKiDo Panama city Panama 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Doju_Stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) -- __--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:37:16 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Doju_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Anthony: ".....As an aside, the average person I ask also still thinks of a kwanjang-nim as being the head of an art rather than the operator of a martial arts school......" I may be splitting hairs here but is there a way of differentiating between a person who is the head of the art and a person who is the head of a school under that art? For instance, GM Ji is considered by many to be "doju" and using your definition the correct Korean term could be "kwanjangmin". Is there a particular title that would be used for an individual who heads a school under the Sin Mu Hapkido system? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:39:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] back home Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Back home again after the shoulder surgery. All went well. Thank God for little things like Vicodin. Better living through chemistry... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:55:19 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dead_Black_Belts_Society_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Troy: "..... Is it a true tradition to honour someone in memoriam with a 10th dan rank? If so, isn't claiming a 10th dan rank disrespectful to those that truly deserve the honour (in death) for their lifes accomplishments?,,,," I think that started in Judo with the death of Kano. There was only supposed to be a single 10th dan. But then I think Mifune was awarded a 10th dan and he was still alive when it happened (I'm pretty sure). For my money I can't see having a dan rank that is not a function of someones' technical ability. These administrative dans and honorary belts are a pain in the butt. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Kirk Koskella" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:13:33 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] 10th Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While attending Wesley Snipes' Masters of the Martial Arts, Grand Master Bong Soo Han and I were introduced to the expected number of celebrity martial artisits, and his friends of many years. Afterwards, we were introduced to a small number of martial artists who were introduced as 11th, 12th and 13th Dan Black Belts. Grand Master Han and I spoke regarding this and several others of "most senior" ranking. Shaking his head, Grand Master Han spoke simply that; "The outward presentment of rank may not be the same as the truth reflected in continued practice and training." While certain parties may claim this status, they may have actually achieved some personal satisfaction in the development of their own systems. I would, however, question in my own mind the need to elevate ones self over the established norms and standards of the original system founders (Do Joo). I personally would think it disrespectful to represent that rank to which the foundersdared not attain. There would be no foundation. This then would lead me to ask the following question; "Is the standard for each under belt rank (including black belt) therefore diluted. Is a 1st Dan then equivalentto that of a Blue Belt? In the Taekwondo ranks, thirty years ago, you were "Young Master to Grand Master....." as a 4th Dan. Today the term Master applies (in the US), when the actual title of Master was reserved for 6th Dan and higher. Inpoint of fact the designation granted under the Kukkiwon is that of Junior Master. In Hapkido, you were still considered student ranks with 5th Dan elevating you to a Master position, and able to act of your own accord (still under a grand master). Still perhaps the position of 10th Dan simplymeansthat one has achieved a certain degree of personal perfection which is completely misunderstood by the general public, except to say (commercially), "My Grand Master is higher than your Grand Master" (or, "My dad can beat-up your Dad"). Are we so vain? Kirk I. Koskella Master Instructor 28th Dan Black Belt - NOT! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! 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