Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #495 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wrist_Grabs?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. open hands (Charles Richards) 3. Weapons and Hand-to-Hand. (David Ozanne) 4. MDK B-Day (Ray Terry) 5. something-nim (A. Boyd) 6. Re: I apresiate to (no subject) and your clarification (Raymond Navarro) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:54:31 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wrist_Grabs?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Pat: "......Outside of the dojang, I find it difficult to practice wrist grabs sololy. Does anyone have any suggestions as to practice wrist grabs, ie same side, opposite side grabs?...." Sorry, but I myself am "gravity challenged" as well so I can be of little help in learning to jump. However, I can share some insight into "grabbing as you call it. In truth, one does not actually "grab" in the grappling arts. I know it must seem like it to watch another do it, and most practitioners with poor instructors will do this without much thought. The result is that it becomes common practice to speak in terms of "snatching" an on-coming fist. Ain't gonna happen. What is really happening is a parry, lapping and either pressing or drawing done in very rapid succession. You will see this movement in many forms in which an open-hand block is followed quickly by some concussive technique-- either a punch or kick. The grappling application of the same sequence is almost invariably a parry- lap-draw sequence prepartory to off-balancing the attacker. I have seen recommendations for practicing this sequence without a partner using anything from form work, to the branch of a springy young tree to using the stubby projections on a wood dummy such as is used in Wing Chun. The equiptment is not as important as the imagery one holds in their mind during execution. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] open hands Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "George Peters" wrote Good Sir: I was quite interested in your post. I have been shown by friends of mine who practice Chinese arts many times how the open hand is faster than the closed fist, and have also observed many other practictioners do as you stated. The org I belong to says to always have the hand in a closed fist, I will have to inquire why. Can you think of a good reason for this? I mean on all levels gup to dan. Dear George, I believe you stated you are ITF TSD so my first guess doesn't apply, but maybe my second. 1. In sport Taekwondo, many teach the athelete to parry with the fist closed because sticking the fingers in the path of full power kicks usually ends up in bent fingers. 2. I have had some TSD players explain to students that a closed fist during hyung shows focus and discipline. Many of us have a "lazy" fist and often the rear hand will be loosely closed. Hope that helps, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "David Ozanne" To: "Dojang Digest - Submissions" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:51:15 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons and Hand-to-Hand. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all. I was wondering if there any korean martial arts similar to TKD where the practitioner, as well as doing hand-to-hand elements, also uses weapons. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks Regards, David Ozanne --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:09:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK B-Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net November 9, 1945 Happy Birthday to the Moo Duk Kwan. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] something-nim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, A normal business owner or manager is typically referred to as wanjang-nim and your typical Joe Kim who has no previous interest in how martial arts work may default to this when meeting a kwanjang until they are corrected. Other terms for instructor are kyosu-nim and kangsa-nim. When I was studying Hapkido in the Hukchu-kwan (hook chew/Black Eagle) we had a kwanjang-nim who was the head of the style and sabom-nims who ran the schools, and kyosu-nims who taught classes as part of their training to be sabom. As Alain mentioned, there are more than a few instructors who even when they can use the term kwanjang to refer to themselves, prefer the more traditional sabom. Bu can be used as a prefix for most of these terms to represent assistant or juniour. A juniour instructor might be called bu-sabom-nim in some styles. I'm sure this must have been covered before but just in case, I will give you some examples from my own case. I study under Kim Jin-Ho kwanjang-nim who is the Choeng Kwanjang (Head Honcho) for North Kyunggi Province (The Bu Choeng Kwanjang of Kyunggi Province)(Vice Head Honcho) and the Shimpan We Wanjang (Head of Judges) for the Kyunggi Province Haidong Gumdo Association. At our dojang, the Uijongbu Cheong Bone Kwan, he is referred to as Kwanjang-nim. His brother, who now runs a different location is the Bu-Kwanjang-nim. Many of the classes at my dojang are taught by Kwon Ki-Dong sabom-nim or by Lee Mun-Ja bu-sabom(-nim) (she is my junior so I technically do not need the -nim, but not using it makes my Canadian self uncomfortable. Mom always said to be polite...). As a member of the career HDGD class I am Anthony Boyd kyobom, but no one calls me that as it's not much of a title. The regular students and the students in the career class, all of whom are my juniors, refer to me as Tony Sunbae-nim which simply means senior. The opposite is hubae (hoo-bay). I never hear anyone use the term hubae as a title, just as a noun. (Be nice to your hubae as they will care for you later). Students in the gup ranks are collectively and generally known as yu-gup-ja. Students in the dan ranks are grouped together as yu-dan-ja. Senior dan ranks are ko-dan-ja. Each style is different in where yu-dan-ja becomes ko-dan-ja. I recently became ko-dan-ja. Again, this is not a title, it is a classification of rank. I hope this didn't rehash a lot of stuff that people already know. My apologies if it did. PS: Ray, my well-wishing for your recovery seems to have gone astray. I am glad to hear that all went well with the surgery on your third shoulder. Try not to enjoy the pain medication too much. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: I apresiate to (no subject) and your clarification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi and be blessed Alain Burrese. I apresiate Your concern and for this reason I will repeat this again, thanks Alain, the reason is that I my self am trying to learn the best about all that is Korean. To you and your wife that when the moment arrives that you guys gte to have your Baby that I can say congratulations and that your family multiplies, be blessed ! Yours in HapKiDo and Korean too (also in spanish if you ever desire) Ramon Navarro 6. (no subject) (ABurrese@aol.com) Message: 6 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:20:36 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Navarro posted: "I do not know about Anthony but I learned that the school ouner should be SabomNim." This is actually not correct Korean. School owner is Kwanjangnim and an instructor is Sabomnim. Example: In Korea, we called Kwanjangnim Kim, Kwanjangnim since he was the school owner, and Sabomnim Lee, Sabomnim, since he did most of the teaching. Also, you never refer to yourself as Sabomnim. I could say I'm a sabom, or I could sign Burrese, Sabom (or Kwanjang) but you do not use the nim for yourself, it is an honorific used only for others as a sign of respect. Also, I do know school owners that prefer to go by the title Sabom rather than Kwanjang. Just a little Korean lesson for the day, since I'm still trying to improve my understanding of the language. With a baby coming soon that we will raise bi-lingual, it will be even more important for me to become fluent in the language. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest