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Poomsae and ki (John-Lewis Lewis) 2. DO JU , JI HAN JAE SEMINAR (Pranab Banik) 3. Veteran's Day (Farral, Kim) 4. RE: German dojangs (David Walsh) 5. JI HAN JAE SEMINAR (James Allison) 6. Chi blasts and legends (Burdick, Dakin R) 7. Myths and Facts (and Hollywood) (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 8. Re: Solid Grasp (DPRYGA) 9. Baby Girl (ABurrese@aol.com) 10. re: Century Wavemaster XXL (Lasich, Mark D.) 11. Taekkyon training in Korea (fwd) (Ray Terry) 12. Kukkiwon Certificate numbering (Jeremy Anderson) 13. Re: Kukkiwon Certificate numbering (Ray Terry) 14. Re: Kukkiwon Certificate numbering (Jeremy Anderson) 15. The one-inch punch (Stephen Petermann) 16. Re: Baby Girl (Braeswood Martial Arts) 17. Re: Chi blasts and legends (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John-Lewis Lewis" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:34:30 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Poomsae and ki Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, Now that everybody in the list are talking about ki/chi, I want to ask one question. Anybody knows if Taeguk poomsae generates ki? Or better, how can I generate ki performing Taeguk poomsae? Regards, John Lewis. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "David Walsh" To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:16:25 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: German dojangs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Kim, Your best bet is to try the Deutshe Taekwondo Union website at www.dtu.de. After the intro, click on Der Verband and then Vereine on the menu. This will give you a list of the cities and regions. Click on the one closest to where you will be and you'll get a list of clubs. Some have websites and email. If you still can't find one appropriate to you contact them by email at office@dtu.de. David Walsh --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:23:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] JI HAN JAE SEMINAR Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I will be hosting Grandmaster Ji Han Jae for a two day intensive seminar January 24 & 25, 2004. The seminar will be held at my dojang in Cornelia, Georgia. The cost is $200 pre-registered by January 8th. Space is limited due to the amount of room it takes to throw people around. After the 8th the cost is $250 and you need to call to make sure we have room. Last years seminar was great GM Ji shared so much and he worked us so hard. The seminar is open to everyone who likes to train really hard. If you would like more info please feel free to contact me at 706-776-1026. Thanks, James Allison --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:20:49 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Chi blasts and legends Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig Stovall wrote: IMHO, there was a TON of embellishment done to the stories of Lee in the years following his death. This is sad in that it takes away from the man's REAL contributions as a cinematic pioneer, as well as a revolutionary in terms of his liberated approach to martial arts training. My reply: I agree that there was a lot of embellishment, but that's what sells the martial arts. If you told every student who came into your school, "there are no secrets, it is just hard work, and you WILL work hard" and they actually believed you, there wouldn't be many students, would there? Most stick with it for about six months because they didn't really believe you and had to find out for themselves. Once they figure out they could play golf with the boss rather than get punched in the head by the bricklayer, many drop out and go do something more profitable. All that is left of the real martial artists is us idiots, who just won't let the legend die. For hapkidoists it can be even worse. Instead of "getting hit in the head lessons" we offer "getting kicked in the nuts lessons." Talk about a student drop-out rate! :) Jye Nigma wrote: I wouldn't punch the top of the head because it's very hard! My Reply: Yep! Jye also wrote: At the top of the head is the baihui point (accupunture point Meeting Point of the Governing Vessel with the Bladder, Gall Bladder, Sanjiao and Liver Channels. Point of Sea of Marrow.. To strike this point with a palm strike with moderate force can be damaging alone, but with penetrating chi power is devestating/deadly. My reply: This is where you lose me. There are points all over the body, right? If we actually believe in acupressure for striking, we should be most interested in the points on the arms and legs, not the head and body (where we know lots of strike points before we study the Classic of the Yellow Emperor). What is the strike theory you are using? In other words, what strike pattern are you using, or are you just striking to individual points? I think the reason a palm works well on the head is that the brain in there isn't nailed down and tends to bounce around, scrape against the sharp little bones and hemorrhage. If it compresses or causes a vacuum around the spinal cord, lights out for the target. Cool stuff, but talking about qi and pressure points is kind of beside the point. Jye also also wrote: When you punch 7 boards you are always told to try to hit a target BEHIND the board right? This is done to keep your flow of energy going so you don't hit the first board and get an unrealistic domino effect, it's so you keep an unhindered flow of motion/energy through the boards. My reply: I'm not sure I understood this one. When you hit 7 boards, you hurt your hand. But if you break them it is because you broke the one furthest away from you (they have to bend before they break, and that bottom one has to bend before the others can). That is, of course, unless you use spacers, in which case the domino theory actually works pretty well. Jye also also also wrote: I disagree here. Knocking someone back several feet could be from shear power. I've seen Tyson knock someone half way across the ring with a left cross. My reply: I would say that Tyson doesn't have that kind of punching power. He actually punches them back only a few inches BUT if he hits them upside the head they are going to fall down, and if it hurt (and I think it would) they would also tend to recoil. This reminds me of the conversation about rifles and how they make deer jump. What I tend to believe is that they really do is blow a bloody big gap through the deer momentarily and the deer's muscles spasm and they go flying. The bullet itself does NOT make them fly through the air, it is what that bullet does to them that creates the effect. Jye added: Maybe 5 feet is a bit much, but I have seen people going off their feet. My reply: Yep. Jye also also also also wrote (I'm picking on him today!): Then to get the real feel of it, weapons sparring should be added in. My reply: I agree, but that safety gear is very necessary. I was once in the Society for Creative Anachronisms and we used to wear steel armor but even with that on it was illegal to use long sticks or spinning moves, because they STILL caused too much damage. I highly recommend fencing and kendo and the like. I know people who have lost eyes to swordplay and who have stabbed themselves when doing weapons forms. Weapons are dangerous folks, so please be careful. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:28:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Myths and Facts (and Hollywood) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, we saw this all the time years ago! I think the show was called the A-team. :) I continue to be amazed at what people believe when they see a movie and the marketing that went along with it. JRH <<>> --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:26:56 -0600 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Solid Grasp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net on 11/10/03 4:03 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net at the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I am also glad you enjoyed yourself in the art of > hapkido. Dave was recently promoted to chodan in hapkido and has a solid > grasp of hapkido basic motion. Thank you Jere.. I'd like to return the complement. A few of us noticed that your technique and grasp of basic motion is also improving.....Dave --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:35:50 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Baby Girl Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ramon asked: "Can you tell me when is the baby to be born ? Do you guys already know what it will be ? Do you have a Korean wife ?" Thanks for the note and the offer to translate Spanish, I will keep that in mind if I ever need it. :-) It is also great to hear you teach character as well as just physical techniques, and from our exchanges here, you practice what you teach, and that is what it is all about. As for my wife and baby, yes, Yi-saeng is from Korea. I met her when I was over there teaching English and studying Hapkido. (as opposed to when I was there with the Military in the 80s.) She came over to the States when I was in Law School and we got married, and this will be our fist child. We found out two weeks ago that it will be a baby girl. Due date is March 17th. We plan on raising our kids bilingual, so I need to increase my language skills or Yi-saeng and the kids will be able to talk about me without me knowing. :-) Plus, I just want to learn the language. I better get with it! Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:39:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Century Wavemaster XXL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Dunn stated: >I have not used the Wavemaster XXL, but I do have a regular Wavemaster at the >dojang. The Wavemaster works OK for most students up to intermediate level, but >it tends to get kicked over a lot by senior gup men and male dans. Some of the >times are due to a tendancy to push rather than kick. But I have found that I >consistantly kick it over with middle or high level thrust kicks, and with high >round, hook and wheel kicks. .......... WOW - I have NEVER kicked my regular wavemaster over! Maybe I have too much water in it ;-) Actually, I have heard that with the round, hook, and especially the wheel kicks, that one risks serious injury to the knee if you try to execute too hard on an obstacle like the wavemaster. Anyone else heard of this, or have any recommendations on kicks to NOT use on a wavemaster? Actually, I have a first dan student who does have a tendency to knock over a regular wavemaster, but finds the XXL a bit more resistant! He typically knocks over the regular one with more of a push than a snap kick. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:56:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekkyon training in Korea (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Anyone interested? Let me know. Ray ========================================================== To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:41:32 +0900 Dear Master Ray Terry We thank you very much for your information which would be of interest if you are able to invite instructors/students through your network. We have a short-run experience programme of Taekkyon practice for foreigners as follows: (1) period : 5 days (2) Time : 9:00 ~ 12:00 HRS (monday until friday) (3) place : Taekkyon training hall located in Olympic main stadium at Zamsil Sports Complex (4) practice fee : USD 200 per person (5) schedule of training: theory-history, principles and structure of Taekkyon technics and match of Taekkyon practical training-basic movements/technics, training system and matching technics of Taekkyon. (6) A certificate of completion is conferred. For extension of training period can be considered depending on number of trainee and others etc. We look forward to having favourable feedback from you soonest. Best Regards N.J.Jeon secretary generals Korea Taekkyon Association --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Anderson To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certificate numbering Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, all, I had a question on Kukkiwon certificate numbering. I just noticed that my 3rd Dan and 4th Dan certificates both have the same number. Is this standard convention for the KKW? Are numbers assigned to the martial artist instead of the certificate? Thank you, Jeremy Anderson. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certificate numbering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:30:11 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I had a question on Kukkiwon certificate numbering. I just noticed that > my 3rd Dan and 4th Dan certificates both have the same number. Is this > standard convention for the KKW? Are numbers assigned to the martial > artist instead of the certificate? Yes, your Kukkiwon # should remain the same. The one you receive at first dan is your Dan # up thru the dan ranks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Anderson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certificate numbering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great. Thank you! Jeremy Anderson. --- Ray Terry wrote: > > I had a question on Kukkiwon certificate numbering. I just noticed > that > > my 3rd Dan and 4th Dan certificates both have the same number. Is > this > > standard convention for the KKW? Are numbers assigned to the martial > > artist instead of the certificate? > > Yes, your Kukkiwon # should remain the same. The one you receive at > first > dan is your Dan # up thru the dan ranks. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Stephen Petermann" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:23:22 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] The one-inch punch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, I do not know the exact method used by Bruce Lee in demonstrating the one inch punch, but I will share with you my method. Step one - find a volunteer who is not too egocentric (isn't going to resist out of stubbornness) Step two - place your middle finger on his sternum (this helps you locate his solar plexus) Step three - place an object - chair, pool, or knowledgeable assistant just inside the balance regather point (depending upon your strength and volunteer's size 4 - 7 feet). Step four - squat down, change to fist, deliver a little finger knuckle strike upward and forward to the solar plexus with all the hit AND push you can deliver. The demo is better when done with a chair, because it looks like you are trying to decrease the volunteers difficulty by providing a object to land on, when in reality you are providing something to stumble over. Higher belts may know a small enhancement to step four, but even without it, anyone can enjoy some success with this method. Train hard - Train smart, Steve Petermann _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Baby Girl Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:20:05 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: > and this will be our fist child. We found out two weeks ago that it will be a baby girl. Due date is March 17th. Congrats on your up coming little leprechaun :) Kat Kelly --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chi blasts and legends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Burdick, Dakin R" wrote: This is where you lose me. There are points all over the body, right? If we actually believe in acupressure for striking, we should be most interested in the points on the arms and legs, not the head and body (where we know lots of strike points before we study the Classic of the Yellow Emperor). What is the strike theory you are using? In other words, what strike pattern are you using, or are you just striking to individual points? I think the reason a palm works well on the head is that the brain in there isn't nailed down and tends to bounce around, scrape against the sharp little bones and hemorrhage. If it compresses or causes a vacuum around the spinal cord, lights out for the target. Cool stuff, but talking about qi and pressure points is kind of beside the point. Well naturally there are plenty of other point, cavities, etc to strike, but since the topic was about slapping the top of the head or punching, I used the head as an example. Just striking to individual points. The comment is hypothetical, because it will be very rare that you will hit anyone on the top of the head. *I have actually slapped someone on top of the head with moderate force [but not necessarily at the baihui point, and the effect was their vision temporarily going black, and one other time it caused dizziness and a bloody nose. Where chi comes in as far as I'm concerned is to penetrate the skull and to injure the brain. I personally believe that in studying the regions of the brain, and there function a chi strike can be extremely damaging. But that is only my personal thought. I'm not sure I understood this one. When you hit 7 boards, you hurt your hand. But if you break them it is because you broke the one furthest away from you (they have to bend before they break, and that bottom one has to bend before the others can). That is, of course, unless you use spacers, in which case the domino theory actually works pretty well. Oh I see what you're talking about...I should have been more clear on my example. In yours it sounds like the boards are horizontal (self standing), I was talking about people holding the boards. The actual dominio effect is symbolic not to be taken literally because it wouldn't happen. It simply means if you don't see yourself going beyond the boards you wont break them. I would say that Tyson doesn't have that kind of punching power. He actually punches them back only a few inches BUT if he hits them upside the head they are going to fall down, and if it hurt (and I think it would) they would also tend to recoil. This reminds me of the conversation about rifles and how they make deer jump. What I tend to believe is that they really do is blow a bloody big gap through the deer momentarily and the deer's muscles spasm and they go flying. The bullet itself does NOT make them fly through the air, it is what that bullet does to them that creates the effect. I'll tell you what...the only REAL WAY to find out is to have Tyson hit you...and uhhh...I'll video tape it and call 91 for you...lol. One thing we all forgot to mention is in Bruce Lees example the person wasn't moving and was stationary....anything can happen that way. I agree, but that safety gear is very necessary. I was once in the Society for Creative Anachronisms and we used to wear steel armor but even with that on it was illegal to use long sticks or spinning moves, because they STILL caused too much damage. I highly recommend fencing and kendo and the like. I know people who have lost eyes to swordplay and who have stabbed themselves when doing weapons forms. Weapons are dangerous folks, so please be careful. I agree with you 110%. Always use protective equipment, CONTROL, and RESPECT when using weapons against a training partner. I am actually thinking about joining fencing soon. I've been told that it is quite different then asian swordfighting like kendo. But what I think will give me an upper hand is wutang fencing...I see alot of similarities there. It should be very interesting. Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest