Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:01:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #502 - 17 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Holding boards (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Chi blasts and legends (Todd) 3. Mr. Bruce Smith (Farral, Kim) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tell_them_the_truth!_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wavemaster?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_American_Kido_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gedo_Chang_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. Re: Discovery Martial Art Program (J T) 9. Re: Poomsae and ki (John-Lewis Lewis) 10. sword (Burdick, Dakin R) 11. RE: Americankido (Michael Rowe) 12. Korean tutorial online (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) 13. Re: Mr. Bruce Smith (Ray Terry) 14. Re: AmericanKiDo Question (Victor M Cushing) 15. Re: secrets (Michael Whalen) 16. Wavemaster, and safe Kicks for using it (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 17. 1st Dan to 8th Dan ?? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:39:06 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Holding boards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin wrote: > I'm not sure I understood this one. When you hit 7 boards, you hurt > your hand. But if you break them it is because you broke the one > furthest away from you (they have to bend before they break, and that > bottom one has to bend before the others can). That is, of course, > unless you use spacers, in which case the domino theory actually works > pretty well. Jye wrote: > Oh I see what you're talking about...I should have been more clear on > my example. In yours it sounds like the boards are horizontal (self > standing), I was talking about people holding the boards. Hello Jye: IMHO it is near impossible to have someone hold seven boards. Unless you are "different" than most people, the hands are simply not big enough to hold more than five. Are you using some kind of holder? If so, please elaborate. Thanks! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Todd" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Chi blasts and legends Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:00:29 +1100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: >"Well naturally there are plenty of other point, cavities, etc to strike, but since the topic was about slapping the top of the head or punching, I used the head as an example. Just striking to individual points. The comment is hypothetical, because it will be very rare that you will hit anyone on the top of the head. *I have actually slapped someone on top of the head with moderate force [but not necessarily at the baihui point, and the effect was their vision temporarily going black, and one other time it caused dizziness and a bloody nose. Where chi comes in as far as I'm concerned is to penetrate the skull and to injure the brain. I personally believe that in studying the regions of the brain, and there function a chi strike can be extremely damaging. But that is only my personal thought." >From my early days in TKD as a young kid, I was always taught that there was one technique we were forbidden to use whenever sparring or in schoolyard fights, but in a serious or "life/death" situation it is a very effective and deadly technique. This was the "downward hammerfist strike" to the top of the head. It was always shown with closed fist only, but when you look at it the hammerfist it is similar to a palmstrike in the fact that it is softer/meatier than the knuckles. Therefore, as with your philosophy, you get good solid power flow without breaking your knuckles (ie.hard knuckles on hard target). Thanks for your time, Jye. Todd --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:43:57 -0500 From: "Farral, Kim" To: "Dojang " Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Bruce Smith Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil Seung... I have just been notified by a fellow Black-Belt under GM Jung (my instructor in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) that a fellow Jung's Black-Belt and Reservist in the Iowa National Guard was killed on 03 Nov 03 when the CH-47 Chinook he was piloting was shot down over central Iraq... If you wish to see a photo...click on the following link... http://www.jungstkd.com You are more than welcome to post a message to his family on the linked message board ... Thank you Pil Seung K. G. Farral 5th Dan Navy Reservist ************************************ This email and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:09:17 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tell_them_the_truth!_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dakin: ".....I agree that there was a lot of embellishment, but that's what sells the martial arts. If you told every student who came into your school, "there are no secrets, it is just hard work, and you WILL work hard" and they actually believed you, there wouldn't be many students, would there? Most stick with it for about six months because they didn't really believe you and had to find out for themselves......" This has been my hew-and-cry for many years now. IMVHO there is simply WAY too much embellishment, personality and fantasy associated with the KMA specifically and MA in general. We ALL know it, but since there are many more commercial interests than private interests associated with MA, few people will do anything about it. High performance in ANY field takes WORK. Its as simple as that. Even people with much natural talent such as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Sammy Sosa STILL have to get out and train. Standing around a dochang in your "magic suit", uttering "mystic language" and striking exotic poses in the mirror are just not going to do it. However, in a majority of the commercial schools this is exactly what they sell. For a price, you, too, can be (just like) Bruce Lee!! If you want to talk about "KI" and becoming one with the Cosmos, thats fine. Just remember that philosophy discussions go IN HAND WITH training--- they are not a substitution for it! I know that this must sound like a particularly strongly worded agreement to your statement, Dakin, but perhaps I see this repeated more often than many folks with each changing semester at the college. In variably I have a waiting list to get into my class at the beginning of the semester, only to have the majority of students drop half-way through when they realize that they actually have to break a sweat, get sore, get tired and push the edges of their envelope. Of course, maybe the population has something to do with this. I seem to note that folks who teach in more urban settings seem to have less trouble with this issue. Maybe folks from urban settings are beter acquainted with gritty struggles than their softer counterparts out in suburbia. Whatcha Think? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:15:24 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wavemaster?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mark: "......WOW - I have NEVER kicked my regular wavemaster over! Maybe I have too much water in it ;-)....." Actually it works the other way around. If you put too much water in the base (well up into the neck of the base) it may add some extra weight but it also raises the bases' center-of-gravity. The result is that it tends to go over easier when kicked. Also, WM that have been allowed to freeze (maybe people use them out in the garage; it tends to cause the base to loose some of its squared edge at the floor), or are used on softer surfaces such as mats tend to go over easier than those that are used in room temperature and on firm surfaces. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:46:23 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_American_Kido_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "......What is going on? I notice that since this past spring you have apparently gone from Master to Grandmaster and from 5th Dan to 8th Dan. Can that be correct???....." Gees, I hope your wrong, Ray. Vic was on BUDO-SEEK Net advancing his American Kido Assn as an alternate choice to the business-as-usual options of some of the other organizations. The AKA was represented, to my mind, as a more "member-friendly", perhaps more egalitarian, approach to organizational functions. BTW: Just an update. I had a chance to speak with GM Myung about Oh See Lims up-coming announcement on December 6th. for a new World Hapkido Federation. GM Myung stated that I was "mistaken" and that "it's all a mistake. Who is Oh See Lim?" I didn't get the impression he wanted to stay on the phone with me very long. I'm sorry I can't provide any additional information, and he was equally non-committal about coming out to Chicago next Spring. I'll let you know if I hear anything new. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:48:43 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gedo_Chang_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dingodog: ".....There will be a Hapkido seminar featuring Grandmaster Gedo Chang on November 22nd at Georgia State University from 12 noon til 5 pm....." Just to help out folks who might not know Mstr Gedo Chang could you give people a bit of his background and approach to Hapkido? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Discovery Martial Art Program Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Everyone at our school are looking forward to this. Mike Chaturantabut and Matthew Mullins came from our school prior to moving out the Cali (Some may recognize Mike as the Blue Ranger)Craig Henningsen who will also be featured in this, is currently an instructor for the kids class at the school. We are quite proud of them. With respect, Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John-Lewis Lewis" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:58:20 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Poomsae and ki Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, I'm not very familiar with generating or cultivating chi. I've done 1 year chi-kung and tai chi chen but the form was very different. If you or someone else could help me, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, John Lewis. Jye wrote: hmmmm.....any thoughts? If' you're familiar with generating/cultivation chi then just apply what you know to the movements. Jye John-Lewis Lewis wrote: Hi, Now that everybody in the list are talking about ki/chi, I want to ask one question. Anybody knows if Taeguk poomsae generates ki? Or better, how can I generate ki performing Taeguk poomsae? Regards, John Lewis. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:24:53 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] sword Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye wrote: I'll tell you what...the only REAL WAY to find out is to have Tyson hit you...and uhhh...I'll video tape it and call 91 for you...lol. My reply: Oh, I bet I'll go flying, but that still won't solve the physics behind WHY I'm flying. So I guess we'll just wait on this one! :) Jye wrote: I am actually thinking about joining fencing soon. I've been told that it is quite different then asian swordfighting like kendo. But what I think will give me an upper hand is wutang fencing...I see alot of similarities there. My reply: Fencing is VERY different than kendo. Fencing is all about tip control and is very similar to wing chun in a lot of ways. The problem will be finding someone that teaches fencing as a sword art rather than as a competition sport. If you can find an old school dry fencer, you are in luck (try some of the old German gyms). These days, people do a lot of whip strikes with the foil, and the rules are more restrictive than they used to be (back in the early 1900s, you got a point for knocking the sword out of someone's hand! ah, those were the days!). If all else fails, learn epee, as it is still the closest to real sword work. But be sure to work on your point control! What is wutang fencing? I'm intrigued! I do Chinese Dao every so often, even though it screws up my katana work (it is just too much fun!). Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:32:15 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Americankido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Vic same as Ray asked what's up? Michael Rowe If at first you succeed, try to hide your astonishment! mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 12 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:10:07 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean tutorial online Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is another a very good site. http://www.sigmainstitute.com/koreanonline/ mmd --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mr. Bruce Smith To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:27:09 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have just been notified by a fellow Black-Belt under GM Jung (my > instructor in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) that a fellow Jung's Black-Belt and > Reservist in the Iowa National Guard was killed on 03 Nov 03 when the > CH-47 Chinook he was piloting was shot down over central Iraq... So sad to hear. Our prayers go out to Bruce's family and friends. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:06:53 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor M Cushing Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: AmericanKiDo Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, here's all of the story and my reasoning behind both organization and rank, etc. Several Masters in the IMHF had been encouraging me to do the following for about two years: (1) accept Grandmaster rank from various organizations they had influence with based on my years in the arts and other factors (2) To provide an alternative umbrella organization that was not dependent on Koreans and that was owned and run by its members. As far as (1) I did accept rank certificates from various organizations and subsequently decided since all of these were basing their granting of that rank on my experience that rather than use their paper all of which I returned to them instead of making 8 claims of higher rank, I would claim that rank in my own system (certainly not unheard of) and not rely on a pile of paper from others. I have spent a long time on various mats, incorporated my experience and training into Modern Hapkido and in my estimation have the organization skills to support that rank. Others may disagree or agree, but I am being up front about it. More on this if anyone cares to read further: What is a Grandmaster? http://modernhapkido.org/grandmaster.htm What is your training history? http://modernhapkido.org/grandmaster.htm As far as (2) forming an organization that is not dependent on Koreans and is not a family owned business. Purpose of this is to help educate, and grow Hapkido and be both more democratic and more inclusive. I started this and invite anybody who wants to join, contribute, and own a part of it. I am the Grandmaster of it, because I put money into it to get it off the ground, be its spokesperson, and have the organizational skills to be effective http://modernhapkido.org/resume.htm All of this is/was an attempt to provide an organization that exists to be a catalyst and help grow our art as well as a home for those orphaned from more conventional organizations for whatever reason. Vic Cushing .American Kido Association: http://www.americankido.com/pages/1/index.htm >From: Ray Terry >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:52:29 -0800 (PST) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Americankido ??? >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Vic, > >What is going on? I notice that since this past spring you have apparently >gone from Master to Grandmaster and from 5th Dan to 8th Dan. Can that be >correct??? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > >-- __--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >http://the-dojang.net > >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >End of The_Dojang Digest --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:48:52 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: secrets Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What? I've been bustin my ass all this time and NOW you tell me there are no secrets! I bet you're gonna expect me to believe there's no santa claus ,too! michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:29:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wavemaster, and safe Kicks for using it Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, That post was from a while ago! Yes, that's the reason I wouldn't recommend the Wavemaster. I have never heard of anyone hurting their knee doing a roundhouse kick on a heavy bag or other target so long as they strike with their kick going into the bag at close to perpendicular. This of course keeps the front of the knee facing into the target. The kicks that I won't let my students do on the wavemaster are crescent and reverse crescent kicks (pahkeso anhuro and anheso pahkuro chagi). The lateral pressure on these kicks is very hard on the knee ligiments. I also don't let gups do hook and wheel kicks. You are right that this can be hard on the knees if the leg muscles are not strong enough to protect the knee. So it is never for children or smaller individuals. Danny <<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 17 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:52:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 1st Dan to 8th Dan ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A quick question to Masters West and Timmerman... You two guyz have been around a fairly long time. (No, that wasn't me that said you two were older than dirt. I swear it wasn't me...) If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take you to progress from 1st Dan thru the various ranks up to 8th Dan? Just curious... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest