Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #503 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: secrets (Jye nigma) 2. Re: sword (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Re: Poomsae and ki (Jye nigma) 4. Dates of Rank (J.R. West) 5. Re: Holding boards (Jye nigma) 6. secrets (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: Holding boards (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Holding lots of boards (Denise) 9. Re: Re: Gedo Chang (Donald Pillow) 10. Re: Holding boards (Jye nigma) 11. Rubber knives = bad idea (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Holding boards (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: secrets To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Michael where are you from? I knew a kid named Michael Whalen in connecticut in like oh i'd say 6th grade? Jye Michael Whalen wrote: secrets......> What? I've been bustin my ass all this time and NOW you tell me there are no secrets! I bet you're gonna expect me to believe there's no santa claus ,too! michael whalen KSWnut _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:23:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] sword To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Burdick, Dakin R" wrote: Fencing is VERY different than kendo. Fencing is all about tip control and is very similar to wing chun in a lot of ways. The problem will be finding someone that teaches fencing as a sword art rather than as a competition sport. If you can find an old school dry fencer, you are in luck (try some of the old German gyms). These days, people do a lot of whip strikes with the foil, and the rules are more restrictive than they used to be (back in the early 1900s, you got a point for knocking the sword out of someone's hand! ah, those were the days!). If all else fails, learn epee, as it is still the closest to real sword work. But be sure to work on your point control! I've been informed that. Kendo is primarily a slashing weapon. Foil & epee are "point it & thrust" weapons. Sabre is a thrust & cut weapon. A slash will not result in a touch. What is wutang fencing? I'm intrigued! I do Chinese Dao every so often, even though it screws up my katana work (it is just too much fun!). Wutang/wudang fencing is just wutang/wudang swordplay like wudang dragon sword. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Poomsae and ki To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You should be able to at least cultivate chi being that you've studied chi kung....moving it is a little harder. Just practice your chi-kung exercises. Jye John-Lewis Lewis wrote: Hi Jye, I'm not very familiar with generating or cultivating chi. I've done 1 year chi-kung and tai chi chen but the form was very different. If you or someone else could help me, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, John Lewis. Jye wrote: hmmmm.....any thoughts? If' you're familiar with generating/cultivation chi then just apply what you know to the movements. Jye John-Lewis Lewis wrote: Hi, Now that everybody in the list are talking about ki/chi, I want to ask one question. Anybody knows if Taeguk poomsae generates ki? Or better, how can I generate ki performing Taeguk poomsae? Regards, John Lewis. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:42:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dates of Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take you to progress from 1st Dan thru the various ranks up to 8th Dan? Just curious... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com Ray: I would be happy to list my dates of rank... 1st dan: 1967 2nd dan: 1969 3rd dan: 1972 4th dan: 1976 5th dan: 1981 6th dan: 1986 7th dan: 1993 8th dan: 1999 I will be happy to post month, day and cert. #s if anyone feels a need to know....and I'm still a member of the DaeHan KiDoHwe (yes, the one in Seoul)....J. R. West . --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Holding boards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I was talking about people holding the boards" You've seen this millions of times when someone is performing a flying side kick to break multiple boards....multiple people are holding these boards. Jye Rudy Timmerman wrote: Dakin wrote: > I'm not sure I understood this one. When you hit 7 boards, you hurt > your hand. But if you break them it is because you broke the one > furthest away from you (they have to bend before they break, and that > bottom one has to bend before the others can). That is, of course, > unless you use spacers, in which case the domino theory actually works > pretty well. Jye wrote: > Oh I see what you're talking about...I should have been more clear on > my example. In yours it sounds like the boards are horizontal (self > standing), I was talking about people holding the boards. Hello Jye: IMHO it is near impossible to have someone hold seven boards. Unless you are "different" than most people, the hands are simply not big enough to hold more than five. Are you using some kind of holder? If so, please elaborate. Thanks! Sincerely, Rudy _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:54:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] secrets Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net No secrets and no Santa Claus!!! Dude that does it, I quit martial arts right now!! I was always under the impression that Santa was a 9th dan grandmaster Hapkidoist that studied not from Choi or Ji but actually did his elf apprenticship under Sokaku Takeda,, he was supposed to start an organization called the CNHF,,, or Combat Noel Hapkido Federation.... I'm devastated,,, I'm just gonna quit martial arts and go over to Orlando and study buffet-ryu with our buddy. Michael Tomlinson (9th dan grandmaster buffet-ryu, specializing in protein-kido) _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Holding boards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:22:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > "I was talking about people holding the boards" > You've seen this millions of times when someone is performing a flying side > kick to break multiple boards....multiple people are holding these boards. Multiple people are holding these boards? Not quite. There are multiple people involved, but it still takes a single hand to hold the N boards being broken. 7 boards are too wide, unless you're taling about people with a 12" spread between thumb and little finger. Mine is 10.25". I used to be able to hold 6 boards for a former instructor, but the sharp corners would usually cut up the palms of my hand. But heck, it was only blood and pain... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Denise" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:36:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Holding lots of boards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Multiple people are holding these boards? Not quite. There are multiple people > involved, but it still takes a single hand to hold the N boards being broken. > 7 boards are too wide, unless you're taling about people with a 12" spread > between thumb and little finger. Mine is 10.25". My first instructor used to wrap masking tape around the boards to keep them together for the holders. Though I don't remember more than 6 ever being held this way, it worked quite well. Denise --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Dingodog1@webtv.net (Donald Pillow) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:15:15 -0500 (EST) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Gedo Chang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes sir, I'll try. This information was culled from Master Tammy Parlour's website in the U.K. and fliers from our old school. In terms of style it seems that Master Changs' would be most similar to Grandmaster Ji Han Jae since he was Master Chang's teacher. Master Chang became a master in Korea 1968 and opened his school which he called "Wol Ge Kwan" which means "The Victor's Laurel". He refined Hapkido techniques for police personnel and was sent abroad by the Korea Hapkido Association to help spread Hapkido to America. After demonstrating and teaching throughout the USA, he settled in Lombard, Illinois. He then opened his first American school, appropriately called, "Chang's Hapkido Academy". He's continued to teach and demonstrate around the world,conducting seminars and speaking to schools about various diverse topics such as inner power and spirituality. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Holding boards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes multiple people holding the boards. I've seen it a hundred times. Jye Ray Terry wrote: Multiple people are holding these boards? Not quite. There are multiple people involved, but it still takes a single hand to hold the N boards being broken. 7 boards are too wide, unless you're taling about people with a 12" spread between thumb and little finger. Mine is 10.25". I used to be able to hold 6 boards for a former instructor, but the sharp corners would usually cut up the palms of my hand. But heck, it was only blood and pain... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Rubber knives = bad idea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Yeah I think the teaching of weapons is very important in schools. Doesn't > necessarily have to be hundreds of weapons but should be some. Then to get > the real feel of it, weapons sparring should be added in....now before > someone is like "THAT'S RIDICULOUS" What I am saying is protective weapons. > Sticks possibly with the rubber foam coating, rubber knives etc. Rubber knives are not recommended. They will teach you bad habits. Use wooden or dull metal training knives, not rubber or even hard rubber knives. Rubber knives bend. That is bad. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Holding boards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:17 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Yes multiple people holding the boards. I've seen it a hundred times. We are obviously talking about different things. Rudy is correct. You have not seen normal size people holding seven normal size boards with their hands for breaking. Sorry... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest