Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #509 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Board Holder (Dena M) 2. knee operation (Gaye Terzioglu) 3. Breaking (Robert Martin) 4. Knife thoughts... (Eric Walker) 5. Knife stuff (Eric Walker) 6. Chayon ryu (Michael Falba) 7. Re: Dan Bong Material (Bernard Maginnity) 8. Broken Leg (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 9. Sharon T. in Black Belt mag (ABurrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:10:09 -0800 (PST) From: Dena M To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Board Holder Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regarding the board holder discussion, I recently finished putting the instructions for a board holder on the USTF Region 5 web site. The instructions are free, you just need to supply the wood and labor. http://www.geocities.com/ustfregion5/Boardholder.html This board holder was designed by Master Earl Weiss. I am not sure how many boards it will hold, but by using the bungee coards to hold the boards, you can add as many boards and you can break. Happy breaking, Dena Martin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gaye Terzioglu To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] knee operation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings one and all, Reading all the wisdom and appreciating the value of information passed onto each other here. Thank you once again. I am having an athroscopic knee reconstruction tomorrow. I have torn my MCL and also fully ruptured ACL it seems. I wanted to ask you all if you have or know someone who has had such an operation in the recent years and if so how long it took before they were on the mats fully functional again. Any information shared on this, suggestions, warnings welcome. I am not really looking forward to it but it needs to be done if I want to have my right leg functional again. It has never been 100% throughout my volleyball years in the league anyways but still, knowing there will be caps and screws in your knee is just not the best source of enthusiasm by any means. Hope all is well, I would much appreciate some positive energies sent my way (just in thoughts) :) Just down to the southern hemisphere, address: Sydney. *smile* Thanks. Respectfully, Gaye Gaye Terzioglu "Most problems can be solved by making decisions" --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:02:41 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe there really is a point of diminishing returns and breaking. I've broken 6 1" x 12" x 12" boards with a side kick and it was kind of cool. I've also seen 9 or 10 broken and that is even cooler. But to what purpose? The power to break four boards is enough to do some serious damage on a person. I much more impressed with what the ITF calls technique breaks. These are usually one board held suspended and broken with a speed kick or hand technique. This shows some real ability -- being fast enough and hit hard enough to break a completely unsupported board. My biggest gripe is people that aren't trained to break properly. The hands and feet aren't conditioned correctly. My own school is guilty of this and it is something we have to work on. We use board holders and it make life much easier for the people holding. Robert Martin > Dear Manual, Rudy, et al: > > "......Hello all. I myself don't break boards, haven't for some 14 years I > prefere concrete. The ITF uses board holders. A metal devise that can > hold up to 15 boards. Maybe you should consider buying or making > yourselfs one......" > > Is there a point at which breaking is a matter of diminishing returns? For > instance, does it make that much difference to break 4 boards readily, as > opposed to knowing that one can break 6 boards using proper equiptment and > sufficent preparation? Does it make a significant difference to break 6 > boards as opposed to 2 inches of concrete block? Watching a breaking > competition I have seen people break large numbers of clay tiles with > elbow strikes and have wondered these same questions. Thoughts? > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Eric Walker To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 16 Nov 2003 14:48:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife thoughts... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Demers wrote: > Eric wrote: > The other quote that comes to mind is, "In the real world you can't defend > against a knife so if you can, RUN!" and > "The only time you can defend against a knife is when you've resigned > yourself to death and your attacker KNOWS he's gonna cut you on the next > stab..." > > This sounds real offbase to me since the idea is to protect yourself against > the knife. You need confidence in your art. Resigning yourself to death will > not increase your skills and most likely fill your body with additional > adrenaline and fog your head. Thoughts like that have no room in your head in > a life/death situation. You need to consentrate on the task at hand. Now if > your attacker has a gun....different story. I have to disagree with you here I think I'd much rather have to defend against a gun than a knife. Especially if the attacker is standing right in front of me. Think about it. The gun has a much narrower "power range" and it can only hurt you if it is fired while you are in front of the barrel. Now a knife, on the other hand only needs to touch you (edge side) and slide. The "power range" is as wide as the slashing motion the attacker may make. Also, confidence in your art is one thing, but reality is another. If you can get out of any situation that may be life threatening by running you should. That is the first line of self defense. I don't have to prove myself with some thug on the street. I have confidence in my technique, but I also have a responsibility to my family as well as others. To needlessly endanger my life seems counter to what I'm learning and teaching. Also "resigning" yourself to death shouldn't increase your adrenaline, in fact I would think it would work the other way and calm you down. I can't say I've ever been there though, I think this is part of a concept called "mind-of-no-mind" I'm not sure about this, I think it's a state of mind that would be preferable. It's letting your body do what it is trained to do and the mind blanks or goes to a quiet place. Thinking or concentrating might be a hindrance in a "life/death situation" as you put it. Anybody have any thoughts on this one? Eric --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Eric Walker To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 16 Nov 2003 14:48:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Demers, > Eric wrote: > My instructor has been training and studying > for longer than I've been alive (I'm 35). I agree with what he says, and > I quote him, "If you won't do it with a real knife, don't teach it." > > Going to stop being a lurker for a min... > I train with an 8th degree Grandmaster and we use rubber knives. The outcome > of defending yourself against a weapon is going to depend upon your ki and > technique. Since class is a training process there is always going to be > learning by error and there is no good reason to be hurting your students. > Like Alice says: Use your head > Oh yeah I forgot to mention, the real knife part doesn't come in in the beginning, it comes after quite some time training these techniques, and after 1st dan. Also, he's talking about himself here, not me. He wouldn't require me to do it with a real knife if I chose not to. However he's stating that if you teach knife defense you should be willing to demonstrate your technique with a real knife. This I agree with. For a little clarification, we don't practice this way as routine, rather on occasion (I haven't done it at all yet). Eric --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Falba" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Chayon ryu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:37:26 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I also attended the CHAYON Ryu school in New Orleans. Hey William: What years did you train with Moon and do you still train? Mike Falba --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Bong Material Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:46:50 +1100 From: "Bernard Maginnity" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Bruce Speaking of exotic products, this reminds me of a story of our early invaders (settlers). When the English first arrived in Australia they set about clearing the land and ran into a small problem. There was a particular type of timber which continually blunted both saw and axe and it gained the appropriate name 'Iron Bark'. I don't know that Master Geoff uses it, but... Kind regards Bernie 'Made in Australia' Maginnity Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Bong Material Of course, if you ever run into Geoff, he can do some pretty uncomfortable things to you with a much shorter and stouter piece equipt with a longer lanyard. I wonder what he makes HIS pieces out of? Anyone know? Some exotic product of Australia? Best Wishes, Bruce NOTICE The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. Mission Australia has implemented anti-virus software, and whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's responsibility to ensure that any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to use. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: To: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:12:57 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Broken Leg Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> And for the rest of your life you'll know when it's going to rain! Randall Sexton --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:39:44 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sharon T. in Black Belt mag Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations to list member Sharon for having a piece she wrote regarding a seminar published in Black Belt. It's a short piece in the section for news in the MA community. I believe Sharon also taught at this event, even though the piece in the magazine does not mention this. Way to go Sharon! Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest