Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #529 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt (eleusis) 2. Instructor Rates (eleusis) 3. RE: Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 4. Award Program (Thomas Gordon) 5. Waiting periods between belt tests 2 (Keith Causton) 6. Re: Ground Fighting (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Gun Thread (Jye nigma) 8. RE: Hapkido vs Aikido (Michael Rowe) 9. Grandmaster Lim Seminar (International Hapkido USA) 10. Thanksgiving Seminar in Chicago (International Hapkido USA) 11. In Defence of Doju Ji (Chosondo@aol.com) 12. Re: John Frankl (Victor M Cushing) 13. vague memories (Rudy Timmerman) 14. AHA and Dr. Kimm (Ray Terry) 15. Re: Hapkido attribution (Jesse Segovia) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "eleusis" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:53:23 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo is incredibly beneficial for one's health. It has lowered by BP in a year reducing the threat of heart attack. Now if it would only do something about my cholesterol. Rich Student Kaya Martial Arts Chicago Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Wicker, H. Keith To: 'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net' Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt I just finished reading an article featuring Master Jason Thomas in the January 04 Black Belt Magazine section "State of Taekwondo". The article discusses how Taekwondo helped Master Thomas heal two chronic illnesses (diabetes and a respiratory illness). The article is well written and I admire Master Thomas for sharing such personal health history with the martial arts community. His story is an inspiration for all. I recommend giving the article a read if you get a chance! Keith _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "eleusis" To: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:16:53 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Instructor Rates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking into the future for planning on when I retire and am looking at doing instructing when I complete my black belt while I work to the 2nd and so on degrees. What do you suppose the ball park fee is to teach a class? I see the instructors at places like Balley' s and Golds and even the YMCA's, if they aren't owners what is the going rate? Also how does the insurance coverage work for Dojangs? Is there a regular company that usually covers Martial Arts instruction? Thanks, Rich Student Kaya Martial Arts Chicago --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:21:17 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Keith, Thanks for the kind words. The article is a little melodramatic. None the less it was neat to see myself in the magazine. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Wicker, H. Keith [mailto:Wicker@cl.uh.edu] > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:22 PM > To: 'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net' > Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt > > I just finished reading an article featuring Master Jason Thomas in the > January 04 Black Belt Magazine section "State of Taekwondo". The article > discusses how Taekwondo helped Master Thomas heal two chronic illnesses > (diabetes and a respiratory illness). The article is well written and I > admire Master Thomas for sharing such personal health history with the > martial arts community. His story is an inspiration for all. I recommend > giving the article a read if you get a chance! > > > > Keith > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:21:56 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Award Program Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fellow martial artists, Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. Any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks! Thomas Gordon www.gordonmartialarts.com Florida --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Keith Causton" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:31:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Waiting periods between belt tests 2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Again! Thank you to everyone who responded to my post. I've gotton a lot of feed back. It's helped me to gather a lot of information and understanding. As it is, our classes run for 45-60 minutes. And the adults are usually pretty wiped out. Grading is every month. And I guess that adults have the matureness to absorb information to a better understanding than children do, so every month CAN seem reasonable. But for children, it can be not enough time, at least thats what I think. I dont want anybody to get me wrong, students will not test if they are not ready, but some of them just know the basic movements and they dont look as best as they could, at my club at least. It took me 7 years to get my first poom. Partly because I started when I was 5 and 1/2, and partly because the tests were every 3-4 months for coloured belts. through the years I've switched clubs and the students at my club are getting black belts in 2 years, and we're talking children. Some of them ARE quite good, but most of them lack the skill of an average black belt... but then again what is an average black belt? It seems to vary between clubs. I guess my main concern was that students are flying through the levels so quick that they become sloppy, lazy, and lack the skill that portrays a coloured belt and even black belts. Keep in mind that I'm mainly talking about the students at my club, and only posted to see how other clubs graded. I'm sorry if anybody got the wrong idea (if thats what happened) about what I was trying to say. Thanks again for your feedback, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ground Fighting To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I read this post I was thinking, anyone who ignores ANY training can be in possible danger. Forsake grappling, and get overwhelmed and not know what to do on the ground. Forsake joint lock/submission holds, and have no clue what to do when someone is hold onto you. Etc etc....then the flipside of that is to know something you can have a better chance defending against it. So if one understands the mechanics of a TKD kick (lift knee then perform kick) one can stop the kick before it is launched, intercept it while it's in route, attack it on its way back...etc. Just my 2 cents. Jye John Frankl wrote: Randall, Thank you for proving one of my major points. Only because Perkin was a highly skilled grappler could he opt to keep fights standing. Ignore grappling and you will have little choice in the matter. In short, those who ignore grappling/ground fighting because they hope not to be on the ground in a fight are their own worst enemies, and not very intelligent either. John >"Results are the best proof of ability." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Thread To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes I'm familiar with cherokee county...aka Tornadoville...lol. I actually may have passed by your school sometime ago while at work. I'm sure we can get in some sparring when I have free time. So sometime in the spring will be a good possibilty. Real quick....has anyone on this list had this issue or heard of it? while cleaning and scrubbing like a machine, somehow I injured my hand. Now when I hold out my hand clench a fist and raise only my fist I lose circulation. Also when I grab things a certain way the bones in my hand move a certain way that it causes pain. Ever heard of that? I'm beginning to think my alignment is jacked up. Jye Charles Richards wrote: Interesting point. As I've posted before, I try to include weapons that could be carried or found in everyday life. Or add some dimension to training (sword). Looking at the world through my "what is the thusness of a technique" glasses (sifu Lee), it would seem to make sense to use the Glock .40 or Colt .45ACP in lieu of traditional stone throwing as a mid-range projectile weapon. But then again rock throwing is "traditional" and rock-like projectiles can be found in everyday surroundings. Hmmm..... BTW, you posted that you are in the ATL. I am 40 miles NW of the airport up I575 in Cherokee County. Let's start an off-list thread to see if we can share some mat time? Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:52:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << I apologize for my lack of clarity. I did not write "unrecorded" because I did not mean it was not in print--otherwise how would I have known about it. I wrote "little mentioned" because it very seldom comes up when the typical Aikidoka is giving the typical hagiography of Ueshiba.>> And like I said give me a break. I hear the story all the time. Every time a bio is done on Ueshiba you hear about his desire to get into the army, even going so far as to hang weights from his legs while hanging from a tree. The whole development of Aikido as a tool for peaceful development stems from his knowledge and experience that war is undesirable - and that he had experienced its undesirability first hand. Michael Rowe If at first you succeed, try to hide your astonishment! mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "International Hapkido USA" To: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:46:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Lim Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, The American Hapkido Association and AHA President Grandmaster Brian Labodycz are pleased to announce a seminar series to be taught by Grandmaster Lim, Hyun Soo in March 2004. Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser founded the American Hapkido Association at the direction of Great Grandmaster Choi, Yong Sul in 1981 and prior to his untimely passing designated Grandmaster Labodycz as the President of the American Hapkido Association. Grandmaster Lim is the Head of the JungKi Kwan of Korea and is the longest training student of Hapkido Founder Grandmaster Choi Yong Sul. The First Seminar Date is March 20, 2004 to be held in Chicago at the Renaissance Chicago North Shore Hotel. This will be Grandmaster Lim's only Midwest seminar in 2004. Rooms are available at a preferred rate for seminar participants. The rest of the seminar series will take place in New England over the following 10 days. Exact dates, times and locations TBA. For further information about the Chicago Seminar, please contact intlhapkidousa@msn.com. For Further information about the East Coast Seminars, please contact mastermike@ahahapkido.com Thanks, Kevin SogorGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "International Hapkido USA" To: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:00:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanksgiving Seminar in Chicago Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, Sorry for the short notice on this one, but if anyone is interested in a few good hours burning off Thanksgiving day feasts, there will be a seminar in Chicago Hosted by International Hapkido USA, and taught by the two senior instructors of the American Hapkido Association, Grandmaster Brian Labodycz (8th Dan) and Master Keith Puglisi (6th Dan). The seminar will be on Saturday, November 29 from 1030 AM until around 5 PM. The first hour and a half will be warm ups and general Hapkido, followed by a light snack lunch and water break, then lots of fun training. This seminar will be fun and informative, and the senior instructors from the AHA will teach from 12 PM to 5 PM. If you are in the Chicago area this Thanksgiving, come on down and lets train, price is fair, parking is ample and free (unusual for Chicago). For details, please email me at intlhapkidousa@msn.com This seminar is dedicated to the memory of Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser who taught his last seminar at my school November 30, 2002. Thanks, Kevin SogorGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:12:33 -0500 From: Chosondo@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] In Defence of Doju Ji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry, I echo your comments below. As you know, I have a close relationship with dDoju Ji. I have come to know him quite well beyond the martial art experience. Therefore, and in my opinion and experience, he does not take promotions lightly. He is truly concerned about the legacy he leaves behind. Actually, he agonizes about it. For the past two plus years, me and six of my dan holders spend at least intense six hours per month on the mat with Doju Ji. It was only recently that he dicussed the issue of promotions with me. Periodically, he would seek my advice/counsel on pending promotion which he does not have to do. Finally, it is his perogative to promote whoever he sees fit to promote. Those of us who are teachers have that same perogative. How many times have you (teachers) have someone question a promotion you've made? We need to be careful about being too critical here... Because, when you point one finger at someone, there 's three point back at you. Thanks for indulging me. Ian A. Cyrus In a message dated 11/23/2003 6:01:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > As for giving away rank... he promotes those he believes deserve a particular > rank. Primarily to those that are running a dojang and actively teaching > the art. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't give rank to those he > has never seen or taught or seen perform, unlike some > wannabe's down Florida > way. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:41:36 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor M Cushing Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: John Frankl Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is a song by A.retha Franklin titled "R.E.SP.E.C.T." >While one of the best things abut this forum is the ability to ask >questions and express one's self, it is best to be a tad respectful of >those who have worked hard and contributed a lot to others. So John, you >have gotten my attention. You asked Rudy a question, he responded in detail. You were asked a question and the Private Investigator in me doesn't see an answer. He sees a deceptive answer. Yes or no did you meet Grandmaster Timmerman. Where and when? "You wouldn't recall" does not equal "You didn't notice me". Your answer is couched in the hypothetical tense as in " You wouldn't notice me, if we met" rather than a declarative sentence such as "You didn't notice me on 34th of Never in "04 when we were on the mat together at The "Ain't Got No Respect Gym, where I practice the advanced art art of being very small, invisible, and looking like part of the floor." Hey, dude, GM Timmerman is for real, he drinks, laughs, belches, and takes up a bunch of space. He is Rudy late at night when you are joking and talking with him as I have done, but just maybe you will get more with honey than vinegar. Think about approaching your chats as if you realized that. Vic Cushing >Message: 3 >From: "John Frankl" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What happened? >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:20:19 +0900 >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >You wouldn't recall. I don't call much attention to myself. I am not that >large, and am usually training. In a gym that helps one blend in. > >John --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:14:15 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] vague memories Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John writes: > You wouldn't recall. I don't call much attention to myself. I am not > that > large, and am usually training. In a gym that helps one blend in. Hello John: I've been thinking about the encounter you mentioned, and something vaguely reminds me of a young man in the SF Dojang of Master Suh quite a long time ago. If my memory serves me correct (and it does not do this as well as it used to:), this young man spent some time in Korea studying the Korean language. In fact, he was quite fluent. Could this have been you? Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:06:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] AHA and Dr. Kimm Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser founded the American Hapkido Association at > the direction of Great Grandmaster Choi, Yong Sul in 1981 and prior to his > untimely passing designated Grandmaster Labodycz as the President of the > American Hapkido Association. Little known fact... Dr. He-young Kimm formed the first AHA, American Hapkido Assoc, and apparently still holds the US rights to that name. I believe that Gm West has one of the original AHA patches in his patch collection. I do not believe that Dr. Kimm has any concern that Mike borrowed that name years later, but just some trivia for you to start off your week... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:11:58 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido attribution Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" >Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido attribution >Ji style is a genre of hapkido, really nothing more, I suppose >that is why he calls it sinmoo. > This isn't quite correct. GM Ji created modern Hapkido from the YooSul his teacher GM Choi YongSul taught, by adding (with at least one other fellow student) the current Hapkido kicking regimen and well as defenses against boxing-style punches, judo throws, etc., and by adding weapons such as cane and rope. Her personally taught the vast majority of the major 2nd and 3rd generation Hapkido masters. He created the curriculum I'll bet you used when you learned and now teach Hapkido: wrist techniques, elbow, shoulder, etc. GM Ji organized what is now Oh SeaLim's Korean Hapkido Federation, as well as one of the other major Hapkido associations, the Kido Hwe. Later on, after he had done all that, he created SinMoo Hapkido. Jere, I believe you are associated with, or associated with those who are associated with, GM Kimm HeeYoung. Perhaps you should ask him his opinions on the matter. Jesse --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest