Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #530 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: RE: Hapkido vs Aikido (John Frankl) 2. GM Ji (michael tomlinson) 3. Re: instructor rates (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. BJJ and Craig (Burdick, Dakin R) 5. RE: AAU as an NGB (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 6. Fight Statistics and LEO (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. RE: Ground_fighting (Kirk Lawson) 8. RE: Re: [The_Dojang] Cold water (Kirk Lawson) 9. Re: motivational products (Wmakarate@aol.com) 10. AHA (J.R. West) 11. Re: Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt (Jye nigma) 12. Teaching (Charles Richards) 13. student awards (Charles Richards) 14. TKD for health (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Frankl" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs Aikido Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:41:30 +0900 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wrong Mike. Ueshiba learned that LOSING a war is undesirable. I maintain that his militarism would have persisted had Japanese martial spirit proved all he was brainwashed to believe it was. John >From: "Michael Rowe" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs Aikido >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:52:09 -0600 > ><< I apologize for my lack of clarity. I did not write "unrecorded" >because I did not mean it was not in print--otherwise how would I have >known about it. I wrote "little mentioned" because it very seldom comes >up when the typical Aikidoka is giving the typical hagiography of >Ueshiba.>> > >And like I said give me a break. I hear the story all the time. Every >time a bio is done on Ueshiba you hear about his desire to get into the >army, even going so far as to hang weights from his legs while hanging >from a tree. The whole development of Aikido as a tool for peaceful >development stems from his knowledge and experience that war is >undesirable - and that he had experienced its undesirability first hand. > >Michael Rowe >If at first you succeed, try to hide your astonishment! >mp_rowe@cox.net >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:04:58 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One thing I CAN say about Doju Nim Ji is that his stories of the history of Hapkido doesn't change. When you talk to him he tells you the same stories every year and they don't change. Can some of the others say this? Without mentioning names look in the magazines at all the Hapkido Grandmasters who have different stories about the history of Hapkido, some of them had other stories published ten years ago, I remember reading them,, Doju Nim Ji hasn't changed his bio or storyline one bit since the beginning... love him or not, if you get on the mat with him I guarantee you that you WILL respect him.. One amusing thing he always says about how people change Hapkido history and say they are this or that,, he says some Hapkido people remind him of the rabbits on the mountain, and when the tiger is away they all come out and do this and that and act like they are the tiger,, but when the tiger comes back to the top of the mountain all the rabbits run away and hide... and then he just smiles.... you figure it out... just another guy on a circuit,, just another genre of Hapkido,,, yeah right,,, go tell him that... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:31:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: instructor rates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net based on my limited knowledge, i've known instructors at our local gyms (not nationwide chains that i'm aware of) to teach in order to get free gym memberships for their families. i have another friend who teaches at a community center, chargin $5 per class or $30 per month. i believe he splits the per class fee 4/1 in his favor. not sure about the monthly. good luck, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:28:43 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] BJJ and Craig Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, did my post hit you on a bad day? It kept getting hotter as it went on! :) Here's my reply: >You're probably talking about Kazushi Sakuraba. Yep, that's him. Loved to watch him! >What's sillier is the fact that we've yet to see a traditional martial artist thwart this simple tactic. That's true. The guys I've seen do it are not "traditional." >What's interesting is the fact that the Gracies and company have continued to evolve so much in the last 10 years...quite frankly, it's a wonder to watch. Again, true. Their wrestling is getting really good! >Meanwhile, the "real deal" crowd is still sitting at home pouting, and talking about how they'd show the world what's up if only eye-gouging and nut grabbing were allowed. Hmm. I hope you're not talking about me. I have no desire to get in a ring and get pounded. It is a lot easier to make my career by just using my brain. Does that make me a weenie? >Let me tell you something...those rules are to keep the athletic commissions off of their backs so that they can carry on events in public venues But weren't the ultimate fights illegal in every state but 2? Has that changed? >Behind closed doors is a different story. Of course. Illegal "mutual combat." I've played with some of those guys, and learned from them. Good fighters. But again, I'm not going into a ring with any of them for real. It is much safer just learning from them. >Forget about "dirty tactics" people...you can grab someone's wad without ever having stepped inside a dojang. Ah! And there's my point. It works pretty good and requires little training. Therefore, it is an excellent technique. I say "little training" because once the guy knows you're trying to poke him the eyes and grab his nuts, he tends to protect them a bit. :) Another point here is that even though that technique works, most people won't do it in a simple competition. It generally has to be in a life or death situation. And how many of us want to get into those every day? >Having a positional ground game is a different story...that indicates skill, knowledge, and training. Exactly. If you aren't well-trained and in great shape, you aren't going to do well against those guys. So I hope they don't take up mugging! >I'm not trying to beat the BJJ drum. I'm just saying don't call it silly until you can keep one these guys from putting you on your back and keeping you there with impunity. Hmm. I don't recall calling BJJ silly. They know what they are doing. Having basic ground skills is important. What I call silly is people who assume that BJJ is the be-all and end-all of technique, and that jumping up and wrapping your legs around someone will end a fight. And while we're at it, another silly thing is to pay the Gracies large amounts of cash and train for 8 years to get a blue belt. Why not just hire the local judoka or wrestler to teach you? Those guys will do it for next to nothing. >And thank you to everyone for pointing out the fact that you don't want to go the ground against multiple opponents. You are very welcome Craig! :) >Now, I know Grandmaster's like to throw their students around in pairs and sets of three, and there's a lot of you that believe this trick Yep. Thanks for making my point for me Craig. >I was jumped by three people at a park one time, and actually "won" the frigging fight!!! But, that's because the two pups decided they weren't emotionally invested in the outcome once I had taken the alpha male of the litter and proceeded to apply a front kick to his manhood followed with a straight blast to his melon. Ah! The nut-strike school. Wasn't that what you were just decrying? Admit it Craig, a good nut strike can work wonders. :) >If they had really been out for blood, I would have been beaten without mercy...and all the Steven Seagal moves in the world would not have stopped it. If someone threatens you...run. If they have a friend...run faster. Words to live by. Again, I agree with all of this. I know you don't CARE if I agree, but I do anyways. Take care Craig, and keep fighting the good fight! Dakin "Definitely Not a Paid Endorser for Gracie Jiu-jitsu" Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] AAU as an NGB Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:34:38 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have had a very positive experience with the AAU. Very little to no hassle at all, any time I've contacted them, they have been very responsive. I would suggest that Master Maldonado try again. As Master Richards, the patches etc... are all available via the AAU website or links to techno. Regards, Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Tae Kwon Do www.natkd.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Richards [mailto:mojakwan@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:14 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Cc: pauls@sullivanstkd.com; tkdbill@pacbell.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU as an NGB > > <> > The AAU is going to be a NGB? Thats a joke in a half right? As most of > you know I live in Los Angeles California. They (AAU) isn't even active > here. Since I don't have a credit card I sent in a money order. well > nobody dose patches I've gotten the run around by several people out > here.Theres a GM Moon, Im who supposedly is the president or head > honcho out here. Well he dosnt do or support the AAU. Actually said > that I practice Coomie TaeKwon-Do. To me the AAU is like any other > organization out there all they want is your hard earned money. Now my > students are out the $12.00 or $14.00 that we sent in since we haven't > even got our membership cards yet. We purchased memberships and > patches. Man a sucker is born every minute and I'm sick and tired of > being suckered. My advise stay away from such organizations. > <> > > Dear Master Maldonado, > > I am sorry you had this experience. FWIW, I have had a good experience > with the AAU here in Georgia (Master James Henry) and with our sister > associations in TN (Master Kim Cerami) and North Carolina (Master David > Sgro). It sounds like you had a bad experience with your state > representative. I think you can resolve your issues with a little > follow up work. > > 1. As to patches, rule books, AAU ties and Coaches shirts. It has > been a poor logistic in the past, but all these items are now available > through www.teknousa.com (sorry for the plug Ray). I got my last ties > and Coaches shirts in about 3-4 days via UPS ground. > > 2. As to registration cards. It's good that you paid with a > check/money order because you have trackable proof of payment. Contact > your Assosiation Director (I'm not sure which in CA so I'll give both) > and explain what happened. > > Central CA Pacific > Paul Sullivan Bill Dewart > 681 S. Madera Ave., Ste 109 988 Oak Street > Kerman, CA 93630 San Francisco, CA 94117 > 559-846-3222 415-668-8173 > pauls@sullivanstkd.com tkdbill@pacbell.net > > As you can see GM Moon,Im is apperntly not "in-charge" of any AAU > activities in California. Please contact Master Bill Dewart or Master > Paul Sullivan directly. > > Good Luck! > > Charles Richards > www.mojakwan.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:58:08 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fight Statistics and LEO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, I think that would be make a great article. Even if you don't write it up, I would love to hear what you are finding. Even though I am interested in all fight statistics, I really believe that law enforcement should be considered a separate category as well, based on discussions over the years with a number of martial artists who are in law enforcement. Danny <<<<<<>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:14:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ground_fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:35:19 -0600 (CST) > From: > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ground_fighting?= > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Dear Kirk: > BTW: You may have misunderstood my previous comment. The art I was > referring to was "Kumdo" not "yudo". My mistake. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:37:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: Re: [The_Dojang] Cold water Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:52:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Jye nigma > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cold water > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > This reminds me of element training I had when I was younger....the > result...when a blizzard hit CT, it nocked out our power so > no hot water for > a few days, and other times when we were snowed in and the oil > truck couldn't get > to us, I took freezing cold showers with no problem. I > remember going s > triaght from the shower to the CT winter with no coat on and > only a tshirt on > my way to high school....lol. Never got sick once over that. > > Jye "Cold Water Dousing" is (was, at least) a common training for "Warrior" societies and some version of it usually existed in most cultures. The Russians would go from steam baths to snow baths, Teddy Roosevelt was known for swimming in the winter. Dumping cold water over your head was common training for many Bare Knuckle Boxer Pugilists from the 17th-19th century. The Japanese have the Zen Waterfall Bathing rituals. The Spartans had their young men swim the river during winter. From what I've heard some Native Americans would go from the Sweat Lodge to the River. Etc. Pete Kautz of Alliance Martial Arts has some stuff on it. http://alliancemartialarts.com/Natural%20Health%201.0.pdf http://alliancemartialarts.com/cold.html http://www.alliancemartialarts.com/cold2.htm Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Wmakarate@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:38:56 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: motivational products Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 11/24/03 4:59:23 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. >> Please visit our website at www.goshinproducts.com for a complete line of motivational and retention products for martial arts instructors. Thanks. Mike Anderson --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:05:12 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] AHA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray Terry Wrote " Little known fact... Dr. He-young Kimm formed the first AHA, American Hapkido Assoc, and apparently still holds the US rights to that name. I believe that Gm West has one of the original AHA patches in his patch collection." The original American Hapkido Association was formed in 1968 by Dr. He-young Kimm of Baton Rouge, LA, and Master Lee Hyun Park of Cape Girardeau, IL. Both of these men trained in MuSulKwan HapKiDo together in Korea and were classmates all through school, and I believe Dr. Kimm's wife is related to the late Master Park. Ray is correct in that I still have my rather large red and gold AHA patch on the wall in my office....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOL...have to change your diet for that. Anyone know of any good HEALTHY Korean dishes? Jye eleusis wrote: Taekwondo is incredibly beneficial for one's health. It has lowered by BP in a year reducing the threat of heart attack. Now if it would only do something about my cholesterol. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:56:36 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I am looking into the future for planning on when I retire and am looking at doing instructing when I complete my black belt while I work to the 2nd and so on degrees. What do you suppose the ball park fee is to teach a class? I see the instructors at places like Balley' s and Golds and even the YMCA's, if they aren't owners what is the going rate? Also how does the insurance coverage work for Dojangs? Is there a regular company that usually covers Martial Arts instruction? <> Dear Rich, There are some threads about this on the digest but the last reference I heard was the national average for a commercial studio 2day/week program is $79/month and around $99/month for an unlimited "blackbelt club." The average club/YMCA type program is about $50/month. There are many financial models to running a club from non-profit, to hobby not for profit to martial arts milionaire and everything in between. I'd be happy to share more ideas with you off list (mojakwan@yahoo.com). FWIW, you might kill two birds with one stone. Tell your current Master Instructor you see teaching in your long range plan and would like to either help out teaching in your dojang, or seek mentoring while opening a satelite club. The best advise I ever heard for "new" head instructors is ....find somewhere free or on a low percentage basis that you can teach when you first start out, so you pay less for the learning curve. The rate ranges from paying you like $10/hour and no limit on class size to as low as free to as much as 50% split for the health club/YMCA. FWIW, if you ran a full time commercial studio, you would be doing real good to net 35-55% profit. For insurance there are three or four main providers and then the AAU option, which is a per-head fee for access to thier group rate. The AAU, IMHO, is the best way to go for a club with say less than 20 youth or 15 mixed youth and adult. The others are Markel-Ruelin, Midlands Insurance (issued through Martial Arts Group), Murria and Frick, and Francis Dean. A basic under 30 member policy would be between $500 and $750 per year... Good Luck, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] student awards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << "Thomas Gordon" wrote>> Fellow martial artists, Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. Any suggestions are welcomed. <> Welcome Thomas, Within the past two weeks I posted about what I do around attendance cards and monthly progress checks to keep the young gups motivated for my four month testing cycle. I'd had been meaning to share this with others off list so here goes. We studied the stars system and other rewards for our younger crowd. For us/me we wear no patches on the uniform so we hesitated on the stars, even though I see value in the system for your youngest dabbler students, keeping them on the path for 4-6 year to make chodan. Here's what we do. 1. All school age students are required to bring me a copy of their school grades and have a conference with me about them. Many of my students are very proud of their efforts and can't wait to tell sabomnim in person at the dojang that they made all A's and B's. I commend all who have put forth their best effort and redirect others with suggestions (and a little lecture about focus and goals). 2. For the mini-muggers (ages 5-8) class we have two new "awards." For about $5 I bought about 500 smiley face stickers at a school supply store. Everyone who enters the dojang properly without a reminder from me gets a yellow smiley face on the back of the card. We salute the flags and bow to the ranking instructor on the floor upon entering. 3. For the mini-muggers we also have a "best listener/focus" sticker that goes to the two best listeners during the entire class. They come to the front of the class and Sabomnim puts a sticker on the back of their hand and on the back of the card. These smiley stickers are florrescent metal flake colors... Give credit where due. I stole this idea from my son's 3&4 year old gymnastics teacher where every child gets a sticker at the end of class. It is a small thing to me, but a BIG thing to the average micro-mugger. Now when they get the attendance card at the beginning of class they are counting attendance on the front and counting award stickers on the back. And everyone who doesn't get a "good focus/listener" sticker gets feedback. Net result, everyone is a lot more focussed during class and excited about EARNING a sticker (shrug). Do what works for you, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:28:30 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD for health Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The article > discusses how Taekwondo helped Master Thomas heal two chronic > illnesses > (diabetes and a respiratory illness). I would have never known Master Thomas had such health problems. While he was here, he worked his butt off for hours on end without complaint. No hint of illness any longer. Way to go Jason. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest