Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:01:56 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #531 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Hapkido vs Aikido (Michael Rowe) 2. Martial arts & health (David Weller) 3. Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt (Robert Martin) 4. Various Dakin Things (Stovall, Craig) 5. Hapkido attribution (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. Re: Gracie Jiujitsu (MJD1128@aol.com) 7. RE: TKD for health (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 8. Age and martial arts (TeachingInChina@aol.com) 9. Re: Re: Gracie Jiujitsu (Ray Terry) 10. Original AHA and the then, Kuk Sool Hapkido (Chosondo@aol.com) 11. Re: Award Program (eleusis) 12. RE: Award Program (Thomas Gordon) 13. RE: student awards (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Maybe, maybe not. <> Losing a war is aways undesirable. Ueshiba spoke often about the behavior of Japan's military men during his time in the Army. O-Sensei always loved Japan and believed in its strong spirit. He refined his beliefs over time and developed a philosophy in strong defense that required as little destruction as possible. Aikido developed as a peaceful way not a pacifist way. << I maintain that his militarism would have persisted had Japanese martial spirit proved all he was brainwashed to believe it was.>> O-Sensei was hardly brainwashed, had he been brainwashed he would have easily gone ahead with the military as an officer, as his superiors recommended that he do. Michael Rowe --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:11:01 -0600 From: David Weller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial arts & health Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > eleusis wrote: > Taekwondo is incredibly beneficial for one's health. It has lowered by > BP in a > year reducing the threat of heart attack. Now if it would only do > something > about my cholesterol. > Sir, Actually, it probably is helping. Regular, strenuous exercise is known to raise the levels of HDL (the 'good' cholesterol). The higher the HDL, the lower the risk of heart attack (at least according to what I have read). Take your last Cholesterol numbers and divide the total number by the HDL number. Anything under a 5 is normal. Under 4 indicates a low risk of heart attack. You can also divide LDL by HDL, that ratio should be under 3. (that leaves trigylcerides out of the equation) Good luck and KEEP KICKING!! dave weller --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Actually, exercise can play a very important role in the reduction of bad cholesterol and increase in good. However, as more research is done it appears that cholesterol levels are genetic. I have had high levels my entire life. I remember my doctor saying that I needed more exercise -- while I was preparing for my 1st Dan test. I guess he felt I should work out on Sundays also! On the upside mine is getting "better" because I'm getting older -- the actual level itself hasn't changed in 25 years. Robert Martin Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Jason Thomas Article in Black Belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOL...have to change your diet for that. Anyone know of any good HEALTHY Korean dishes? Jye eleusis wrote: Taekwondo is incredibly beneficial for one's health. It has lowered by BP in a year reducing the threat of heart attack. Now if it would only do something about my cholesterol. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:48:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Various Dakin Things Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Well, I have an unfortunate posting style. I start by answering or addressing someone's specific point or question, and by the time I'm finished I've transitioned into a general rant. I think by the time I started talking about the "evolution" bit, I had forgotten about you and just started yammering at the wind. <<>> That's a difficult question. I know events take place in California and Nevada, but there are numerous other promotions that have shows in parts of the Midwest. I know of a lot of promotions that go on here in the south, but they may be operating just under the radar of the sports and athletic commissions. <<>> Yes, they're making good progress. Sometimes I sit and wonder with amazement that they don't train any Hapkido. KIDDING!!! JUST KIDDING...DON'T FLAME!!!! <<>> No, it was not a bash against you...I apologize for the misunderstanding. It was just me venting my general frustration with the "Betty Crocker Killer Combat Talkers" out there that think what goes on in the cage is some sort of a "game". <<>> Here's the distinction. The BJJ guy can learn the same dirty crap as anyone else in the same amount of time. Mr. I-gouge-eyes-for-breakfast still can't fight once he's on the ground (or on his feet, for that matter). <<>> I'd say that's an unfair generalization. There's more to BJJ than flopping to the guard. It's like me saying that a Hapkido guy can't hurt me as long as I don't grab his wrist. We both know there's more to the art than that. <<>> Well, if you're still a blue belt after 8 years, then that's your fault. Again, I think that's an unfair generalization. Hey, don't fault the Brazilians for moving people through the belts slow...better than what some of the Koreans are doing. As far as training with a Judoka or wrestler...depends on what you're looking for. I would definitely go with a Judoka to learn throws. However, you'd have to search far and wide to find a black belt in Judo that had a ground game that even came close to your average purple belt. There are some, but the general state of ground Judo in America is in dire need of renovation. Some will dispute this, but I believe my opinion has merit. Working out with wrestlers? That's great for takedowns, rides, and positional dominance. I don't know many wrestlers that can help me with collar chokes, or how to fight a 300 lbs man from my back and survive. Time through belts is definitely slow in BJJ. Is that a bad thing? If the intent were to scam people...then yes, it's bad. In my first hand experience, it is a VERY deep art that takes more than a few years to get down. The technical detail behind BJJ is awe-inspiring. I know a lot of people (not talking about you) look at magazine articles and think that BJJ is just a glorified school yard fighting art. I don't see it that way. At any rate, I'll take blue belts that can actually defend themselves on top of all of these 5-year-old black belts that are running around in KMA. Agreed? <<>> Yes, but it doesn't work the way the "Street fight/combat experts" want you to think it does. Endorphins are a bitch. Needless to say...he didn't go down from the kick. Now, he may have required extensive massage from his redneck girlfriend later that evening, but the only thing the kick did was to draw his hands down and open up the high line. Oh well...time to go practice my eye-gouging and "sack biting". 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:04:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido attribution Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jesse: Don't take anything I say about Ji Han Jae to seriously. I am just having fun with Ray. It is a yearly tradition on the DD. I spend more time training with my teacher than talking to him, so I really don't care who did what to who when.:) When I talk to Dr. Kimm, I like to learn about other things that are important to me than who, what, when, or where. But - As you may or may not know, when I first started hapkido we did not have any kicks or cane techniques. I did not learn the parts that Ji Han Jae contributed to hapkido till much later. I will also be the first to admit that I have never met the man and probably never will. I also studied daitoryu for several years, so I know the difference. FWIW - If you go to http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/photos_2.htm you will find a picture of Master Kim Jung Soo. I believe he was #8 on the hapkido food chain. He was the one that Master West was talking about. He grabbed my wrist and Master West's wrist. Scared the hell out of both of us. Forearms like Popeye! Not sure why he choose the two of us. But I thought I was going to be thrown down the side of the mountain. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: MJD1128@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:46:37 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Gracie Jiujitsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 11/24/2003 12:44:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > And > while we're at it, another silly thing is to pay the Gracies large > amounts of cash and train for 8 years to get a blue belt. Why not just > hire the local judoka or wrestler to teach you? Those guys will do it > for next to nothing. > I actually trained in Japanese Judo and Jiujitsu for 8 years before training with the Graices. I thought exactly the same as you are saying Mr. Burdick. I felt that the techniques I was learning and the training I had would allow me to hang with anyone of them on the mat.....that is...until i got on the mat with one of thier Blue Belts. I felt that they were just great marketers and business men and it was just a gimmick. The blue belt that I sparred with beat me so easily, I questioned ALL of the traing Ive had prvious to that. I had a 1st Dan in Hapkido, 1st Dan Japanese Jiujitsu and 1st Dan in TKD when i sparred with him. He played with me like a rag doll. He was tapping me so fast, that even if I wanted to hit him I couldnt have. I joined that day and have trained 6 days/week ever since. I dont really care if people like thier stuff or not...but I used to be a sceptic as well. We have many local wrestlers and Judoka come to our school all the time. They get beat just as fast as i did. Mark "the free endorser of Gracie Jiujitsu" Daley --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD for health Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:25:39 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks! I've pretty much widdled it down to a constant cough and poor aerobic performance... :) Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Rudy Timmerman [mailto:kwanjang@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:29 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD for health > > > The article > > discusses how Taekwondo helped Master Thomas heal two chronic > > illnesses > > (diabetes and a respiratory illness). > > I would have never known Master Thomas had such health problems. While > he was here, he worked his butt off for hours on end without complaint. > No hint of illness any longer. Way to go Jason. > Sincerely, > Rudy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: TeachingInChina@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:40:20 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Age and martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a question that is bothering me about martial arts. As we get older does the body get weaker? What I mean is that the jumping, kicking, and punching take a toll on individuals in their late 30's, 40's, and over? I want to progress in my training but I am concerned about this. It seems at the Dojo the older students are having more muscle strains, pulls, and knee problems. My master's say that some of us are not stretching properly. Also, as we age, do we modify our movements, forms? Do we eliminate the higher kicks and jumps? "He who learns without thinking will be bewildered; he who thinks without learning will be in danger." Confucius --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Gracie Jiujitsu To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:07:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >....that is...until i got on the mat >with one of thier Blue Belts. I felt that they were just great marketers and >business men and it was just a gimmick. The blue belt that I sparred with beat >me so easily, I questioned ALL of the traing Ive had prvious to that. I had a >1st Dan in Hapkido, 1st Dan Japanese Jiujitsu and 1st Dan in TKD when i sparred >with him. He played with me like a rag doll. He was tapping me so fast, that >even if I wanted to hit him I couldnt have. I joined that day and have trained >6 days/week ever since. I dont really care if people like thier stuff or >not...but I used to be a sceptic as well. I've sparred with one GJJ blue belt and two purple belts, two different GJJ schools. Yes, they were no doubt better than your typical under-dan rank students. I didn't notice anything all that special with their art or ability, yet there were still things there that are well worth working on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:01:30 -0500 From: Chosondo@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Original AHA and the then, Kuk Sool Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master West, wasn't the AHA formed by Dr. Kimm the organizational structure for what was then called, "Kuk Sool Hapkido? I have a copy of the first English Kuk Sool Hapkido Reference Manual written by Dr. Kimm. This was in the early 70's. FYI, speaking of age and rank, Kuk Sa Nim Suh In Hyuk was only 34 years old and 9th dan. Ian A. Cyrus In a message dated 11/24/2003 11:47:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > The original American Hapkido Association was formed in 1968 by Dr. He-young > Kimm of Baton Rouge, LA, and Master Lee Hyun Park of Cape Girardeau, IL. > Both of these men trained in MuSulKwan HapKiDo together in Korea and were > classmates all through school, and I believe Dr. Kimm's wife is related to > the late Master Park. Ray is correct in that I still have my rather large > red and gold AHA patch on the wall in my office....J. R. > West --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "eleusis" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Award Program Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:28:26 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Gordon, Prior to opening your doors how did you develop your student base? Just simple print advertising or what? Just curious, Rich Chicago Kaya Martial Arts student. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Gordon To: tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Award Program Fellow martial artists, Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. Any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks! Thomas Gordon www.gordonmartialarts.com Florida _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Award Program Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:31:32 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Rich, We ran ads in the local paper but no one signed up because of that. 1 saw the sign out front ($1000) 5 saw the poster board out front with "Grand Opening" & balloons ($3.90) 3 saw the flier ($0) 1 got a business card ($75) 1 from the internet ($70 a year) 5 knew an instructor I got many comments from the newspaper ad but no revenue. After the grand opening, nine more have signed up. Five saw us on the Halloween Festival on Main street ($0 cost) and the others knew an instructor. So after 6 classes we have 21 students and no one has signed up over the newspaper ads ($400ish). December 6 is the Christmas Parade and we'll be handing out about 800 fliers ($48ish + $20 to be in the Parade + $50 in candy). We'll see how that works. One thing that people seem to really like is the way the floor is always controlled - even during "free" time. The other thing is the "no contracts" approach. We do have EFT but you can cancel at any time. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with contracts if done correctly. The local ATA school has many people scared to sign anything like that. One lady told me she couldn't join until she got her second degree because it was in her contract that she couldn't train anywhere (plus about $1250). I read over the ATA contract and it clearly says that they'll turn you over to a collection agency if you're 90 days late. I'm always glad to share. Hope that helps. Thomas Gordon Florida -----Original Message----- From: eleusis [mailto:eleusis@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:28 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Award Program Mr. Gordon, Prior to opening your doors how did you develop your student base? Just simple print advertising or what? Just curious, Rich Chicago Kaya Martial Arts student. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Gordon To: tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Award Program Fellow martial artists, Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. Any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks! Thomas Gordon www.gordonmartialarts.com Florida _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] student awards Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:31:32 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Richards, Thanks for the input. Stickers, stars, certificates, .... so many ideas. I really like your idea of talking with the instructor during grade time. Good listener is a good idea too. I think most instructors with any sort of children's program has to deal with the typical wondering minds of juniors. Heck, maybe a good listener sticker for some adults may help. :) Thanks again for your input. It is appreciated. Thomas Gordon Florida -----Original Message----- From: Charles Richards [mailto:mojakwan@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:28 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] student awards << "Thomas Gordon" wrote>> Fellow martial artists, Our school has been opened for about a month and we are looking for ideas to help motivate the students. Something like the star system where students earn different colored stars for good grades, improvement, tournament, etc. Any suggestions are welcomed. <> Welcome Thomas, Within the past two weeks I posted about what I do around attendance cards and monthly progress checks to keep the young gups motivated for my four month testing cycle. I'd had been meaning to share this with others off list so here goes. We studied the stars system and other rewards for our younger crowd. For us/me we wear no patches on the uniform so we hesitated on the stars, even though I see value in the system for your youngest dabbler students, keeping them on the path for 4-6 year to make chodan. Here's what we do. 1. All school age students are required to bring me a copy of their school grades and have a conference with me about them. Many of my students are very proud of their efforts and can't wait to tell sabomnim in person at the dojang that they made all A's and B's. I commend all who have put forth their best effort and redirect others with suggestions (and a little lecture about focus and goals). 2. For the mini-muggers (ages 5-8) class we have two new "awards." For about $5 I bought about 500 smiley face stickers at a school supply store. Everyone who enters the dojang properly without a reminder from me gets a yellow smiley face on the back of the card. We salute the flags and bow to the ranking instructor on the floor upon entering. 3. For the mini-muggers we also have a "best listener/focus" sticker that goes to the two best listeners during the entire class. They come to the front of the class and Sabomnim puts a sticker on the back of their hand and on the back of the card. These smiley stickers are florrescent metal flake colors... Give credit where due. I stole this idea from my son's 3&4 year old gymnastics teacher where every child gets a sticker at the end of class. It is a small thing to me, but a BIG thing to the average micro-mugger. Now when they get the attendance card at the beginning of class they are counting attendance on the front and counting award stickers on the back. And everyone who doesn't get a "good focus/listener" sticker gets feedback. Net result, everyone is a lot more focussed during class and excited about EARNING a sticker (shrug). Do what works for you, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest