Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:00:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #539 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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GM Hwang (t.metzner1) 2. Off-Balencing (Todd Miller) 3. GM Ji's Hapkido (Todd Miller) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:GM_Ji_Stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_H_A_Seminar_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. Re: Off-Balencing (Ray Terry) 7. Bruce Stuff (Ray Terry) 8. Unbalance (Vincent DeSalvo) 9. RE: Ji's Unbalancing (Michael Rowe) 10. Re: KHF Master List (Jesse Segovia) 11. Book Review (Randall Sexton) 12. Re: Re: KHF Master List (Ray Terry) 13. Re: Book Review (Ray Terry) 14. KHF event (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "t.metzner1" To: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 07:57:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Hwang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Mr. Maldonaldo; Several months ago you accused Grandmaster Hwang of stealing your money because you paid for an ITF certificate but hadn't received it. I understand from my recent conversation with GM Hwang that you have now received this certificate. Would you care to publicly take back your accusations about GM Hwang's integrity concerning this matter? Tom Metzner --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:18:28 -0500 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Off-Balencing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net And you, sir? Which side of the fence are you and your Hapkido? Ray Terry In Jungki Hapkido we use the same curriculam that Doju Nim Choi used. Yes, I do use off-balencing. It really is not Hapkido without it! The off-balencing is where Hapkido training begins and then grows into many areas. Thanks for asking Master Terry. Todd M. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:30:48 -0500 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji's Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One more thing,, Bruce, I know a certain Hapkido group is doing some > function in Chicago pretty soon and they seem to have a lot of bad things to > say about Doju Nim Ji.. Is it a coincidence that now you have become very > adament about distancing yourself from Ji's training? Hummm don't have to > be the manager at Radio Shack to figure that one out huh... > > Also I have never heard Doju Nim Ji say anything bad about this Hapkido > group or any other for that matter. He did mention one group as being Chop > Suey Hapkido but I won't go into that. He doesn't talk bad about any > Hapkido people, he just says practicing Hapkido is good. When he sees bad > Hapkido he just says they are missing some of the basics, he doesn't berate > anyone. Again, I don't agree with some of the belt promotions he does,, BUT > that is his business and not mine. I KNOW for a fact that I have learned a > ton of Hapkido from him and I understand his basic movement and I guarantee > you that I can off balance you,, period... > Michael Tomlinso 1. I agree, Hapkido training is good and there are some groups that are missing basic motion. 2. It sounds like GM Ji's Hapkido is very similar to the original taught by Doju Nim Choi as far as off-balencing. 3. What group in Chicago are you refering to Mike? Just currious. I know we have disagreed in the past but I think we are mostly saying the same thing as far as off-balencing goes. 4. I will be at Mike McCartys GM Ji seminar in May if he is still planning for that? Take care Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:38:47 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:GM_Ji_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: "......One more thing,, Bruce, I know a certain Hapkido group is doing some function in Chicago pretty soon and they seem to have a lot of bad things to say about Doju Nim Ji.. Is it a coincidence that now you have become very adament about distancing yourself from Ji's training? Hummm don't have to be the manager at Radio Shack to figure that one out huh..." You know--- I get pretty tired of having people read things into what I write, speculate on my hidden meanings, examine between the lines and probosculate on my political agenda. Is there some reason that you, Michael, Ray, Frank Clay and a host of others are simply unwilling to read what it is that I have to say? I had no probelm reading YOUR post, and I bet there is a lot to what you have to say. We could even have a decent discussion of teaching methods which might be interesting to a large number of people. The reason that I see that won't happen is NOT because you don't have something to say--- or even that I don't have something to say. The reason that is not going to happen is that you seem to be quite sure that there is something going on behind my words other than what you are reading and THAT seems to be what you are responding to. Is it so very hard to believe that one (or more people) simply DON'T think the sun rises and sets on GM JI? Is it possible that one or more people DON'T think much of the way that he teaches? I have heard the arguement of being "old school" to rationalize a lot of behaviors, good and bad. If I was beating up on Hackworth or Joo Bang Lee or any of a number of other folks my sense is that you would have no problem. However, my criticism is directed towards someone the YOU favor and suddenly I'm the Prince of Darkness. BTW: I will be publishing a report on my experience this weekend. And, just so you know, I am not "selling" the Wollmerhauser organization (AHA) anymore than I am "selling" the USKMAF when I write about the good things that JR does. Take a Valium, Michael. Not everyone gives a happy rats' butt about personality-driven organizations, and I am just a little old to be told what I think, feel or am doing by someone who spitballs for an avocation. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:46:45 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_H_A_Seminar_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: Before I begin let me say: "....The views of the author do not necessarily reflect those of the World Hapkido Federation, the People of Illinois, the North Chicago VA Medical Center or the Mormom Tabernacle Choir. This is neither a solicitation to purchase stock in, join, deride, discuss or pontificate about the American Hapkido Association, its members, management of schools. You need not be over 18 to read this post, however mileage varies as a function road conditions, driving skills and fuel ratings. Instance of reported side effects have been minimal. Please remain seated, with your seatbelts fastened and your tray tables in an up-right position until the contribution comes to its end. Author does not take repsonsibility for vertigo experienced as content is spun by other contributors....." Now that Michael and Ray have been addressed let me say that the First Annual Micheal Wollmerhauser Memorial Seminar was an extraordinary experience. Hosted by Kevin Sogor right here in beautiful downtown Chicago students from the Illinois Technical Institute Hapkido Club as well as the International Hapkido School met to enjoy 7 hours of training (with a half- hour off for lunch) under the auspices of the American Hapkido Association. Present were Joanne Wollmerhauser and instructors from the AHA Massachusetts school. I suppose what struck me quickly was the degree of pain-compliance associated with the techniques followed in close order by the number of techniques that were done in sequence. By this I mean that most often techniques at such events are taught as individual methods. However, there were quite a number of "transitional" techniques in that the secondary technique was founded on the failure of the first technique. This is usually material reserved to higher belt ranks but everyone took it in stride albeit with gritted teeth. In addition much was made of power and its appropriate application and there was even some conditioning drills that brought back memories of my Kyukushinkai days.And more than a few comments were shared regarding the nature of training under Gm Lim, Hyun Su and GM Chang Chin Il both of whom have been experienced by the instructors and both of whom were characterized as being very authoritative in their execution. I wish I could say something about talk off the mat but there really wasn't that much. Folks came to train and trained hard with scant minutes off the mat, and while the pace of instruction was not fast, it was steady with each technique being offered with multiple variations for people to study and examine with their partners. All-in-all the experience was a fine preparation for what might be expected when GM Lim, Hyun Su visits Chicago in March. On the Sims Scale I give this seminar an 8. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Off-Balencing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:17:31 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In Jungki Hapkido we use the same curriculam that Doju Nim Choi used. > Yes, I do use off-balencing. It really is not Hapkido without it! > > The off-balencing is where Hapkido training begins and then grows into > many areas. Agreed! This is why in Sin Moo HKD it begins, at the beginning, with the "Basic 8". I will say that when Gm Ji teaches the Basic 8 he doesn't typically say things like "when you get to this point your attacker is now off balance". His english isn't that good, or at least he doesn't think it is, so he tends to limit his indepth description and analysis of techniques. He's more apt to say, "No! Step this way, toe point this direction!" This is probably where Bruce got lost. The basics are there, the balance break it there, and IMHO it is all taught from the very beginning in Sin Moo's Basic 8. Some will 'get' it the first day, some the first month, some will perhaps never see it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:22:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > probosculate on my political agenda. Is there some reason that you, > Michael, Ray, Frank Clay and a host of others are simply unwilling to read > what it is that I have to say? Bruce, The list of the "unwilling" is far longer than that provided above. When many around you seem confused by your words, perhaps the issue is not with the ears but with the words. So again, please lighten up... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Vincent DeSalvo" To: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:41:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Unbalance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tomiki Aikido. The 17 basic techniques all start with unbalancing your attacker then finishing the technique with your attacker help as he/she steps to recover there balance. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:52:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ji's Unbalancing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson writes "I can off balance you,, period..." You may or you may not nothing in Hapkido is guaranteed. You may begin a movement and the opponent will counteract and remain in balance, if they sense what you are doing. Michael Rowe "In the middle of a difficulty lies opportunity." - Albert Einstein --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:40:40 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KHF Master List Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not to cause any problems, but where is that list posted, or if it's not online, could you post a copy of it? Jesse From: J T >Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF Master List > >Just a little fyi. The KHF just released a listing of >all "foreign" masters 4th dan and above. It seems >that GM. Hack, who has claimed GM in HKD is only 6th >dan, which I don't think is much of a surprise to most >of us. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:11:35 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Book Review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Poor physically and mentally handicapped Korean boy (whose parents were told should be left in a corner to die) hooks up with Korean master. Known as the "Ugly Boy," Byong Yu refuses to give up, is taught several harsh lessons about life, comes to the USA, becomes homeless, almost commits suicide, completes a college degree (eventually a Ph.D), becomes a champion, gets his picture taken with other famous people (just like other MAs do!) writes a really nice book about his life plus some tidbits about life thrown in. A movie is being made about him called "Monkey Man." Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: KHF Master List To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:43:02 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Not to cause any problems, but where is that list posted, or if it's not > online, could you post a copy of it? > > >Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF Master List > >Just a little fyi. The KHF just released a listing of > >all "foreign" masters 4th dan and above. It seems > >that GM. Hack, who has claimed GM in HKD is only 6th > >dan, which I don't think is much of a surprise to most > >of us. It is at the KHF's website at: http://hapkidokorea.org/english/khf_news.php?docIDCODE=19 Below is the listing taken from the above... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com ===================================================================== The List of KHF Non-Korean Masters in the world This is the list of KHF masters over the 4th Dan level in the world. If you have any question, please contact Director Sung-Book Bae. (Tel: 82-2-3437-3530, 82-11-258-7106 Email: yesb279@hotmail.com ) * notice * The masters listed below are from the data base from 1997 to 2003. The names before 1997 will be up-loaded soon. THE 4TH DAN PHIPILE TAI-PA PINERD (FRANCE) DIEGO FERNANDO RAMOS (COLOMBIA) UWE NOLTING (GERMANY) QUINTELIER PATRICK (BELGIUM) MICHAEL BYRD (U.S.A.) THOMAS HAUCH (GERMANY) RONDY RAE MCKEE (U.S.A.) JESUS CASTELLANOS PUEBLAS (SPAIN) REZA VALI NEJAD (IRAN) ROSE ANTONIO LAGIER (ARGENTINA) BRUCE HOWES (AUSTRALIA) MARK D HUME (U.S.A.) RHOADES ANTONIO MANUEL MARTINS FRAGA (PORTUGUESE) JONATHAN KLEINEMAN (U.S.A.) KONRAD SPILLMAN (U.S.A.) MOLLET REMI (FRANCE) WADE LANGIN (CANADA) PLORENTIN ANDRE (FRANCE) PHAM MINH PHUOC (VIETNAM) FABIAN DUQUE (COLOMBIA) COUET RAPHAEL (FRANCE) THE 5TH DAN CHRISTIAN MEIER (U.S.A.) FRANCISCO OSCAR TAJES (ARGENTINA) MIHEE HACKWORTH (U.S.A.) LIVIO BALOCCO NICOLAY (U.S.A.) RONALD C. GARLAND (U.S.A.) ANDREW SANDS (AUSTRALIA) JOHN GILL (AUSTRALIA) THE 6TH DAN HECTOR ALDERETE (ARGENTINA) RICHARD HACKWORTH (U.S.A.) SAMUEL G. PLUMB (G.B.) THE 7TH DAN SCOTT SHOW (AUSTRALIA) HOLCOMBE THOMAS (U.S.A.) HAROLD L. WHALEN (U.S.A.) JULIAN LIM (MALAYSIA) --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Book Review To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:46:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Poor physically and mentally handicapped Korean boy (whose parents were told > should be left in a corner to die) hooks up with Korean master. Known as the > "Ugly Boy," Byong Yu refuses to give up, is taught several harsh lessons about > life, comes to the USA, becomes homeless, almost commits suicide, completes a > college degree (eventually a Ph.D), becomes a champion, gets his picture taken > with other famous people (just like other MAs do!) writes a really nice book > about his life plus some tidbits about life thrown in. A movie is being made > about him called "Monkey Man." Good info. Thanks! Byong Yu has a dojang a couple hours north of me. About 18 or so years ago I attended one of his events to compete in sparring. I believe Master Yu competed in the early 1970s, around the same time as did Chuck Norris. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:49:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FYI... The KHF is going to have "The Hapkido Martial Artists' Day 2003" anniversary on Dec. 6 in Seoul. All Hapkido people from all over the world are invited to this celebration to share the spirit of Hapkido. This day will become the historical turning point of the Korea Hapkido Federation. The KHF will proclaim the start of "The Daehan Hapkido World Federation" to promote Hapkido more systematically and organizationally with the help and devotion of the Hapkido people all over the world. The Daehan Hapkido World Federation will open a new era of Hapkido. TIME; Dec. 6. 2003 (Sat.) 18:00 ~ 21:00 LOC; COEX, Seoul, Korea --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest