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Re:_Shudokan? (mfalba@cox.net) 2. Reversal throws and fun (Charles Richards) 3. KHF speaks (Ray Terry) 4. Roundhouse kick (Rudy Timmerman) 5. KHF (dlwilson@flash.net) 6. Round kick (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Hacked victims ?? (Ray Terry) 8. Integrity ???? (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Balance Breaks (Randall Sexton) 10. Re: Chang Moo Kwan (2-man) forms (Ray Terry) 11. Kim Soo (Ray Terry) 12. The Last Samurai (Ray Terry) 13. Moral - Bullshit (David Ozanne) 14. Re: RE: Ball Of Foot Round House (Robert Demers) 15. Re: The Last Samurai (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:54:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:_Shudokan? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Holidays Bruce, it’s nice to hear from you again. > Does your Shudokan tradition include the use of the Pinan/Naifanchi/Passai > kata or does your material derive strictly from Sensei Toyamas' own kata. Our Okinawa Based Hyung includes but is not limited to Pinan, Passai, Tekki, and Jutte. Some are taught as a student prepares for Cho Dan, and the rest are taught as one progresses through subsequent Dan levels. At my current level of Cho Dan I am not familiar with all of the Okinawa based Hyung, nor am I familiar with Sensei Toyama’s own kata so I cannot comment further. > I very interested to hear more about what this material is and how it was > incorporated into your styles' curriculum. Any comments would be > appreciated. Our Chayon-Ryu roots originated from Okinawa and Manchuria. Although we are a Korean Martial Art we still acknowledge our Okinawa and Chinese roots and remain independent of political affiliation. My Master was trained by Master Yang Moon (ref. http://kimsookarate.com/masters/masters.html) who, after immigrating to the United States continued his training with Grand Master Kim Soo. Prior to Master Moon’s move to the US I believe he was a member of the Oh Do Kwan and part of General Choi’s Black Belt team whose mission was worldwide promotion of Tae Kwon Do. Grand Master Kim Soo’s background is very diversified, his Korean roots beginning with Grand Master Byung In Yoon who trained in Manchuria (Chu’an Fa) and who also trained with Toyama Sensei. Grand Master Yoon returned to Korea as a shihan of the Shudokan and taught that style there. Master Yoon went on to train Nam Sok Lee (Chang Moo Kwan), Chull Hee Park (Kang Duk Won), and Jong Pyo Hong (Hung Moo Kwan). Masters Park and Hong were Grand Master Kim Soo’s teachers in Seoul Korea. The late Grand Master Ki Whang Kim who was trained in part by Toyama Sensei also instructed Grand Master Kim Soo. Another teacher of Grand Master Kim Soo was Han Jae Ji who was a senior student of Grand Master Yong Sul Choi. This is how we have also come to incorporate Hapkido into our curriculum. Chayon-Ryu is a great system of Korean Martial arts with an impressive lineage that remains true to its roots. To me the best part about it is that we remain free of political affiliations, which leaves us free to practice hyung from the ITF, WTF, Okinawa, and China. Chayon-ryu is a great “old style” system of martial arts training that I have come to have great respect for. I hope this helps to answer your questions. Mike --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:08:55 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Reversal throws and fun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> If you are bent over in an arm bar, why would your instructor reverse your balance, he would be giving you back your balance. Just feel like being an ass for some reason. I'm also a little kidding. However, that isn't Hapkido theory there. <> Jeff, Great observation. Decreasing radius circle from standing to bent over to spiralling towards the floor face first minus one of two slapping hands would be more accurate. To which trying to standup is a natural reaction, at which time my instructor would be accepting my energy back in the other direction (in actuallity, just as he had planned anyway). This same principle is applied in what the aikido folks call 100 years throw (or something like that) that Segal has made famous in the movie, you know where your feet start moving one way away from the pain, and then your head is redirected abruptly the other way. Cheers, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:09:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF speaks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From the official KHF website... http://hapkidokorea.org/english/khf_news.php?docIDCODE=20 About the recent incidents after listing the non-Korean masters Because of the recent listing of the KHF non-Korean masters on the KHF web site, many masters are disturbed and confused. As the director in charge of this matter, I am sincerely sorry to many innocent and enthusiastic Hakido In(people). As we know, President Oh and all the masters of the KHF are working very hard to keep austere Dan(Black Belt) Rank to preserve Hapkido as an orthodox martial art. Partly due to this policy, some masters who run Dojangs(schools) at the front sometimes meet financial difficulties, not only the difficulties of teaching lots of Sulki(techniques) to apply Dan rank. However, it can not be excuses to so-called "selling Dan". We admit many masters' difficulties to follow the KHF policy at the front line. That is why the KHF has begun to improve and reform lots of things to function more systematically and organizationally to help masters not only in Korea but also overseas in the world. Till recent days, the overseas networks of Hapkido normally have been working as individual masters' bases or some specific Kwans'(schools) bases without reporting to the KHF, whereas the KHF has been concerned mainly in Korean domesticity. And some dishonest people and masters have exploited this former attitude of the KHF, and have caused today's mischievous incidents consequently. The KHF will do proper actions against masters and people who broke the Hapkido and martial arts ethics after investigation. And also the KHF promises to do the best to relieve the innocent Hapkido In(people) according to our regulations. Thank you. Sung-Book Bae Director, the KHF --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:40:13 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Roundhouse kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tink writes: > If you point your foot perpendicular to your leg to deliver the > kick...the resulting force will be a shearing force across your ankle > as > your foot will take almost the full impact...this is NOT good for the > ankle...point the foot down...pull the toes back... > > the ball of the foot also limits the stress upon the person delivering > the kick as it distributes the impact force through the entire leg, > hip, > and upper body...the ball of foot delivers the impact force to one > square inch making for a far more devastating and powerful > technique...(often called the "Breaking Technique")... Good stuff Tink. I might add the following. Because the knee is a hinge type joint, we point the knee at our target so that the lower leg can simply unfold in its natural way. In this way, there is no twisting force on the knee joint. My Kong Shin Bup students are required to break three one by twelve by twelve boards to pass their Blue Belt test, and they do it consistently. Caution is to make sure that the foot is conditioned for striking a hard surface which takes time and starting slow. Whenever we sit on our heels, we do so with our toes tucked under to help us gain stretch to pull the toes back. Because of the vulnerability of the small bones in the foot, we only use the top of the foot as striking area with front leg roundhouse kicks to softer targets. Even though it is a fast and effective kick, doing this makes this kick more like a jab rather than a power kick with full force coming from the back leg. No sense breaking the small bones of the foot on someone's block:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: dlwilson@flash.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:40:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike, I ran across the KHF web site... http://hapkidokorea.org/english/index.php Check our the gallery and BBS for Hackworth comments. Dave --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:16:18 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Round kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave writes: > My contention was, at least for > myself, the ball of the foot is the more powerful striking tool. Hello Dave. IMHO, you are correct. It is just a natural way the body conditions that appendage. We don't walk on our insteps on a daily basis, and to strike hard surfaces with the top of the foot does not make a lot of good common sense to me. I agree that most parts of the body can be conditioned to a certain extent; however, what is the price you are willing to pay down the road? It just makes me wonder if our great boxer Ali might not have danced a bit more instead of relying on his rope a dope, had he know the price he would pay for that. To add to my previous post on the ball or the foot roundhouse. In KSB, the kick begins by lifting the knee to the side of the body (much like a dog near a fire hydrant:). As the waist and base leg pivot, the lower part of the leg extends in a whip like motion to complete the half circle to impact area. Telegraphing is kept to a minimum by blending the entire action into one smooth motion. I have seen a number of people do this kick very wrong by pointing the knee down while aiming the kick high. Such poor body mechanics will certainly cause major problems down the road. The knee is designed only to act in one way... as a hinge. to try and kick high with the knee down twists it in an unnatural manner that you will pay dearly for down the road. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:24:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Hacked victims ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding from the BBS on the KHF website... Ray ======================================================== List of Hackworth's Victims If any of the following people think they are 4th Dans or higher under the KHF, then they have been conned by Hackworth. I'm sure that most of these people are honest, hard-working individuals who worked hard for what they believed was legitimate rank and whose only mistake was putting trust in an individual who turned out to be a con man. Here is the list of just the Americans listed as official KHF instructors on Hackworth's website. None of these people are listed on the official list of KHF Non-Korean Masters listed on the real KHF website. Ed Annibale Steve M. Arce Ken Baker Walter Bond Steve Bowman Frank Clay Joseph Connolly Dennis Corn Dr. Daryl R. Covington Robert Cox Jim Cray Garrett DeWitt Mike Frazier Gregory Glover Craig Hamm Kevin Huston Larry Ingles Dae Y. Kim Hoon Lee Joseph Lumpkin Tommy Lunsford Robert Marlatt Shane Miller Ryoichi Miyahara Danny Morgan Charles M. Nestor Bette Nielson Darren Norris Fred Parks Les Pearson Dan Piller Gary Pointer Terryl Richardson James Risius Stuart Rosenberg Ed Samane Fred Soto, Ph.D. Allen Spindel T.S. Son Ronald R. Suggs Barbara Sullivan Howard Sun Chuck VanSickle Shannon Vazquez Kenneth Winthrop K.W. Woo --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:29:18 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Integrity ???? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Lumpkin writes: > Mr. Hackworth claimed to be the US rep for > the KHF. He said he was a Christian and would help us process the > paperwork > correctly and see to it the papers were delivered to Korea. In short – > He > Did Not! Neither the money nor forms ever got to Korea. Instead, Mr. > Hackworth took the money and issued meaningless documents. As many of you know, Dr. Covington had sent me the tape and a request to recognize Shinsei. While I was not able to assist him in the manner he required, I was glad to refer him to HM Cyrus who has connections with GM Ji. During a number of consequent discussions, I cautioned Dr. Covington about Hack. It is sad to see a good group of people learning the hard way that not everyone is forthright in an art form that is supposed to be based on such lofty ideals as loyalty and integrity. Sorry this happened, and let it be a lesson for others. We wish you well in your endeavors. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman, Chief Master National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:47 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Balance Breaks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wayne, it seems like only yesterday because that's when you noticed that: 1. Gravity is lowering your center. 2. Balance is only something you remember. 3. You go in circles cause you can't remember what you got out of your chair for. Mele Kalikimaka! <> Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chang Moo Kwan (2-man) forms To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:07:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > My Dojang, Elmwood Martial Arts, is a Chayon-Ryu Korean Martial Arts School > based in New Orleans. Our lineage comes from Grand Master Kim Soo who in part > derives his martial legacy from GM Yoon, Byung-In (Chang Moo Kwan) and also > the Kang Duk Won. We also practice several two person forms. Our 2 person > forms are of Chinese kwonbop/chuan-fa origin. Are these available for viewing on the web somewhere?? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kim Soo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Grand Master Kim Soo's background is very diversified, his Korean roots > beginning with Grand Master Byung In Yoon who trained in Manchuria (Chuan Fa) > and who also trained with Toyama Sensei. Is Gm Kim Soo that old? Byung In Yoon disappeared around 1951, as I recall. (Did I get that right?) That would make Kim Soo 70+ years old.?.?. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] The Last Samurai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great movie that, The Last Samurai. Not KMA, but recommended... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "David Ozanne" To: "Dojang Digest - Submissions" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:43:46 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moral - Bullshit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Word up! The most awesome (and really relevant) moral that I have heard relating to martial arts. Well done. Regards, David Ozanne --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Robert Demers" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:06:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: RE: Ball Of Foot Round House Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lasich, Mark D wrote: "If I can imagine what you've described, it almost sounds like a sideways front kick! The "round" part of the round kick seems like its range of motion would be somewhat limited, as kicking to transfer the force toward the hips would bring more of a straight-in kick, than coming from the side, or "round". Is this the case?" I believe you nailed this. From what I've learned in TKD a proper roundhouse is a 3 step kick :1.) Bend and raise your knee 2.) Turn your hip inward 3.) Extend your leg kicking your target with either your instep or with your toes curled using the ball of your foot. Lasich, Mark D wrote: "As far as "spinning" if the target is removed from a round kick......I need some help in understanding the control of the kick if so much power is put into the kick that one cannot control what happens if they miss their target, or it is otherwise removed......Yet if this does happen, wouldn't the next logical kick be a spinning side kick :-) Great combo!" If you follow the three steps I wrote above you would never kick past center whether or not there is a target thus never losing balance or control. After the kick is executed you reverse the steps retaining your balance. A poorly executed roundhouse is when you start the kick from the floor and swing your foot into the target from the outside. When the target is removed you lose balance and leave yourself vulnerable. Hope that helps, Bob --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The Last Samurai To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone should make a book about the hwarang. Jye Ray Terry wrote: Great movie that, The Last Samurai. Not KMA, but recommended... 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