Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:15:04 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #564 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: The Last Samurai (Ali Alnasser) 2. Other Organizations (FirstPe315@aol.com) 3. JAMA (martin johnson) 4. Organizing Hapkido (Burdick, Dakin R) 5. re: genuine school? (Lasich, Mark D.) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Harping_on_Issues_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. Re: JAMA (Ray Terry) 8. Re:_Harping on carp (Ray Terry) 9. (no subject) (joseph lumpkin) 10. What are they doing for ME?? (David Weller) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:39:00 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Last Samurai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's what Furuya Sensei posted on his daily message board today: The Last Samurai? More Like The Last Straw: The other day, someone wa asking me questions about martial arts. I had to stop when he began to quote to me from Forrest Gump and words from Yoda in Star Wars. Although these may be great entertainment and great movies, they really have nothing to do with reality nor do thye expound on traditional Japanese martial arts. Today, several people were asking me about Iaido and the Samurai. Of course, this is a popular subject today because of the new Tom Cruise movie, The Last Samurai. I admit that I haven't seen the movie but I have read many reviews and seen several programs which focus on (publicize) the movie. Someone made a comment about the accuracy of the Japanese armour worn in the movie. In one second, it was so easy to tell that the armour in no way resembled Japanese armour and I immediately thought this was so disappointing. It is so easy for them to get accurate looking props from Japanese movie companies in Japan who must have tons of this stuff from previous movies. It does not take more than a second to see this if you know about Japanese armour. How can this person say it is accurate? He has not even seen a real suit of armour and has never had the opportunity to study it at length. Not only the armour but the clothes, houses, streets, and everything are made from impressions by the movie artists of old photos and books but as the producer said, "This is how we think it should be like." How we want it to be and what it was like is very different. . . . . . Of course, the sword work is all movie stuff too. Why do people think it is real? Have most people still not learned that much of this Hollywood movie stuff is all from the imagination and fantasy? At the time, this question came over the email, I was watching Tom Clancy's The Sum of All Fears. Of course, this is a very realistic looking movie and Clancy does a lot of real research when he writes his books, much more, I am certain, than what was done for The Last Samurai. Yet, as realistic looking as this movie was, how much now do I really know of US politics, the CIA, the Middle East and Russia? Probably not much more that when the movie began. . . As realisic as it is, it is still a fiction, based on fact with the purpose to make it as realistic looking as possible but it is still not "real!" At least, in this movie the props clothes and buildings all look very real, not so in the other. I remember, many years ago, my Japanese friend had a wonderful impression of America from the Wizard of Oz. . . . Of course, you will laugh but it is not much different from your impression of Japan from a popular movie. Please remember that Hollywood movies are movies and if one wants an accurate view of Japanese history, perhaps one should read the history of Japan in a reliable book or a hundred. Ali Alnasser www.ushankido.org [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:17:53 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Other Organizations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In addition to the few organizations listed, it is only fair to let the MANY lurker and non-lurker list members to know that organizations like WOMAF headed by James Garrison and WHA by Master Tae Jung and GM Hwang are incredible resources as well. As there are not many, it is no surprise that these are the two I have been affiliated with and I can tell you that Mr. Garrison is a sensational technician and as non-political as you can get. Master Jung and GM Hwang are amazing, yes KOREAN, and very unassuming, approachable and very supportive of members. Their rank requirements are strict and their tranfer rank requirements are as ethical as they come. There are traditionally trained, highly skilled people all over. You can tell a lot about these individuals and organizations by basic contact (phone or e-mail) and let your instinct talk to you. The KHF and the like are certainly not the end-all be-all of organizations. The bottom line is what you can do on the mat, or the street. Ultimately, the best aribitors of this are quite possibly not a member of the larger organizations. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "martin johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:59:33 +1100 Subject: [The_Dojang] JAMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Guys and Gals, A short while ago someone mentioned that they thought the JAMA was a worthwhile publication and not just full of the usual crap in many MA magazines. I've since subscribed (about 6 weeks ago) but havent recieved any issues yet. Does anyone have an idea of when the issues come out? I think its 4 times per year. Thanks martin _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:18:57 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: "Dojang Digest" Subject: [The_Dojang] Organizing Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Folks, One thing that has always bothered me about hapkido is that everyone studies a different style, and while standardization is not what I would prefer, cooperation would be really nice. Our US Hapkido Federation has an agreement with the American Hapkido Association that recognizes each other's black belts. Are there other organizations that do this? Is anyone else interested in this? Thanks, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:03:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: genuine school? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must agree with Mr. Dante James: After four years in the US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation, I joined the ATA just out of college. I loved TSD, and continue to practice those forms that I first learned. However, at the time, TSD was being fragmented into TSD, SBD, etc. and I didn't want to get wrapped up in the organizational aspects - I just loved the arts. The ATA welcomed me at 5th gup, and I continued my training from that point. The ATA has continued to learn and grow, and I believe accommodates both the sport, and artistic aspects of the arts. Personally, I rest on the artistic side of the fence, and have found much opportunity for growth in that arena within the ATA. This has encompassed not only traditional forms, sparring, self defense and board breaks, but has also expanded to include leadership skills, weapons training, pressure points and control tactics, ground fighting, etc. I feel too that in ANY organization you will have good & bad, quality & indifference, quest for money & love of the arts, skill & ineptness. This is the nature of life, Um-Yang. One can NOT exist without the other. I have run into many, many fine ATA instructors who teach from the love of the arts, and not driven by any opportunity for a quick buck. In fact, it does cost a significant amount of time and money to become a certified instructor within the ATA. This level of commitment is often brought to the table, within schools/clubs/etc. where one essentially "volunteers" their time - no quest for riches. The opportunity to give something back to those just starting out is often reward enough itself! It is any wonder the ATA continues to grow and thrive? Even after the passing of Eternal Grandmaster H.U. Lee, the organization remains focused on its mission, no fragmentation, no spin offs. Yes, there may be internal challenges to policy/practice, but this in itself helps any organization learn and grow. How many families thrive without the occasional disagreement? As has been said before, the market will flush out those schools/instructors whose intentions/motives/skill/integrity are questionable. The fact the ATA remains must reflect on the positive aspects it brings to the table in so many ways! As a member of that organization, I endeavor to promote those positive aspects, all the while dealing with the pain of being placed into a category that is all too often either neglected, brushed aside, or out right degraded by those in other organizations. In over 5 years of teaching, I've not made $1, but like George Bailey, I feel like the richest man in town! In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:06:53 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Harping_on_Issues_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "......You continue to harp on this issue, along with the WKF issue. There is no smoke here, thus no fire. The KHF cannot keep on top of everything and WKF certs are pretty much worthless. How that could surprise anyone is beyond me......." It is not that I am ungrateful to John for taking time to respond to my issues. I think everyone would agree that he has been very accomodating to just about everyone who has vented their thoughts in his direction. Let me just point out to issues in response to your post. 1.) While we have all been distracted by the Hackworth/KHF mess, there has not been much said about its counterpart with the World Kido Federation. I had a talk with Julian Lim last night who called to wish me the greetings of the season. During the conversation he pretty much finally confirmed to me what I had suspected for the last year. Yes, there has been a split between the WKF and the KKF. No the KKF does not recognize the paper sold by the WKF (even that which was distributed during their period of association). Nothing has been heard out of the WKF but apparently this will become another family run "world organization" built around its own personal take on the Hapkido arts, meaning its own in-house style of Hapkido. Which brings me to my REAL bitch. 2.) Any one who purports to run a "world" anything is telling people that they have the ability and resources to handle things on this level. If the "WORLD SIMS ASSOCIATION" gets correspondence from Nepal I better damn well be able to communicate with people from Nepal as well as have a way to maintain quality control in the mountains a half-world away. I am saying that I can support activities that speak to the purpose for my organization there, and I can handle problems and questions as well. It helps to have an on-sight rep but that does not excuse the "home office" from its responsibilities. I belong to the World Hapkido Federation under GM Myung. However his health problems have kept him from doing seminars and consistent teaching for three years now. Nobody else in the organization is stepping up to the plate. I also was a member of the World Kido Federation. Same story. So what does one do when the designated famous personality one has been faithful to suddenly breaks HIS side of the contract? You're right, Ray. I have been harping on this crap for a good while yet, and thoroughly intend to harp on it for a while longer. I don't have a personal axe to grind while GM Joo Bang Lee or Han Jae Ji or any of dozens of other personalities. All I am saying is that if they want a certain level of organization and a particular level of committment from their followers then they need to shoot straight with the membership and deliver on what they say. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] JAMA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:27:11 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A short while ago someone mentioned that they thought the JAMA was a > worthwhile publication and not just full of the usual crap in many MA > magazines. I've since subscribed (about 6 weeks ago) but havent recieved any > issues yet. Does anyone have an idea of when the issues come out? I think > its 4 times per year. Yes, it is a quarterly journal. One issue just came out a few weeks ago, so perhaps you'll get the next one. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:25:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:_Harping on carp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 2.) Any one who purports to run a "world" anything is telling people that > they have the ability and resources to handle things on this level. If > the "WORLD SIMS ASSOCIATION" gets correspondence from Nepal I better damn > well be able to communicate with people from Nepal as well as have a way > to maintain quality control in the mountains a half-world away. Actually you would most likely prioritize it and get to it when you can, based on the resources available. That is the way a business is run, or at least should be run. Also consider the K in KHF stands for Korea, not World. The Daehan in Daehan Hapkido stands for Korea, not World. Yes, the W in WKF stands for World, but a review of their old website and their apparent desire to sell rank in most any art one can think of should have set off alarm bells that they were never to be trusted. But then perhaps I see a conspiracy everywhere I look... I hear "Dr." H is a card carrying member of the WSA as well as your Director of Marketing and Nutrition. Is that to be believed? :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "joseph lumpkin" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: drdarylrcovington@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:50:08 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Readers It seems we have been used for the benefit of the NHA yet again. It was brought to my attention yesterday that an article in the TKD Times has me listed as the NHA rep for the state of LA. I am sure Mr Pointer has found a way to work all of this out since I live in the middle of the state of AL. Furthermore, I must assume that there is something about the word NO that the NHA doesn't understand, since we have broken relations with them over the issues of fraud and have made it clear we want nothing more to do with them until Hackworth and the NHA makes good on money taken, false rank, bogus claims, broken promises...ad infinitum. If it is true that any publicity is good publicity then I should thank them - however, it does not feel that way to me when our names are still co-mingling with that of the NHA. Once again, let me state: Shinsei Hapkido accepts no positions, titles, or ranks given or assigned by the NHA, nor do we consider ourselves members of the NHA. If anyone hears or reads otherwise please let me know. Thank you Joseph Lumpkin Karate for Christ www.karateforchrist.com Shinsei Hapkido www.shinseihapkido.com author of the book Mystical Christianity www.1stbooks.com/bookview/14737 and Encounter the Warrior's Heart www.1stbooks.com/bookview/18526 _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:37 -0600 From: David Weller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What are they doing for ME?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 05:38 PM,Mr. Sims wrote: > I have been reading many of the observations and opinions about what is > transpiring with the KHF. Coming on the heels of what has happened with > our TKD cousins' organizations maybe its time to take another look at > an > old question of mine. Just what is it that these organizations are > doing > for us? > Mr. Sims, You might check the black piece of cloth around your waist. One of the organizations you mention conferred that honor on you. And, I would guess, gave you the training and skill set to match. My question is: What more do you expect? No organization is perfect. Some are better than others. What would seem to matter most would be the individuals that make up the organization. If you are receiving the benefit of training from someone in an organization, and it is good training, why harp on the deficiencies of the umbrella organization? Or if it is so darn bad, throw all that crap in the waste can and join a different one. Don Quixote (the great martial artist) teaches that jousting a windmill is a losing proposition. The windmill spins, and you get knocked off your pony. Endlessly. Perhaps you should heed his words. (he's like a 13th Dan super duper great grand poobah) I know you respect and admire Masters West & Timmerman and see their organizations as models for how MA orgs should be run. If things are bad where you are, I'm sure either of these gentlemen would welcome you with open arms. I have a Kukkiwon certificate. It's pretty. In the grand scheme of things, fairly meaningless. No one from the Kukkiwon has ever seen me perform. My master, and his master both have. They conferred my rank, and THAT has meaning to me. The rest is just dust in the wind. respectfully, dave weller --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest