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Today's Topics:

   1. Self imposed cognitive dissonance (Charles Richards)
   2. KHF and US involvement (FirstPe315@aol.com)
   3. Furuya and the Last Samurai (FirstPe315@aol.com)
   4. Something Funny (FirstPe315@aol.com)
   5. Organizations (Rudy Timmerman)
   6. Re: The Last Samurai (Barry Davis) (Yuribeast@aol.com)
   7. Re: tournament help (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   8. "in-fighting" (Kim Bauman)
   9. last samurai (michael tomlinson)
  10. Single elimination tournament (Burdick, Dakin R)
  11. Bruce-Something to Consider (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON)
  12. KMA (Brian Beach)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:28:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Self imposed cognitive dissonance
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<Craig "Happily Independent" Stovall posted>>
I know you may have a lot of time invested in the ATA, 
but life is too short to try and paddle against the current of 
organizational culture.  If they don't share your training culture and
philosophy, why not find a place that does?  Self-imposed cognitive
dissonance is the worst.
For what it's worth...
<<end snip>>

Having invested a decade in one international organization and the last
four years of it paddling against the current, I've gotta agree with
Craig.  Life has been very good since I found a home that accepts my
approach to martial arts.  With my 39th bday coming this month life is
too short to go throwing decades around :-)

Yours in jung do,

Charles "The benevolent Dictator" Richards
www.mojakwan.com
 





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Message: 2
From: FirstPe315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:31:41 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF and US involvement
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In a message dated 12/16/2003 2:45:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:


> no one in Korea was really concerned with America

Alain-

I'm not a member of the KHF so perhaps it's none of my business.  But as far 
as I'm concerned, the statement above says it all.   

Nuff Said!

Jeff

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Message: 3
From: FirstPe315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:35:32 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Furuya and the Last Samurai
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In a message dated 12/16/2003 2:45:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:


> > So far it seem absolutely clear that Furuya Sensei does not
> > believe anything in The Last Samurai was portrayed
> > accurrately--village life, armor, uniforms, swords etc . . .
> 
> Or as clear as one can be without actually having viewed the movie...  :)
> 

Basically.  Who cares.  I like Aikido...I'm ranked in Aikido...I think Aikido 
has something valid to offer...

Kensho Furuya is the biggest wanna-be Philosophizin, Flower-Arrangin, 
Calligraphy drawin person I've ever read or viewed.  Unfortunately, I've done both 
with him.

Besides, he isn't very Samurai like, more Buddha like.

Besides, IT'S A MOVIE REV. KENSHO............Dear Lord!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff

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Message: 4
From: FirstPe315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:38:08 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Something Funny
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I often scroll down the list and respond occasionally AS I GO.  Therefore, 
when I responded to Rev. Furuya's comments I kept reading.

Low and behold another person used my favorite Marvel Comic Book slang, Nuff 
Said! and ...IT'S A MOVIE.

How embarrassing.

P.S.  I'm not a plagiarist.

Jeff

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:40:07 -0500
From: Rudy Timmerman <kwanjang@sympatico.ca>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Organizations
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Bruce writes:
> Yes, there has been a split between the WKF and the KKF. No the KKF 
> does not recognize the paper sold
> by the WKF (even that which was distributed during their period of 
> association). Nothing has been heard out
> of the WKF but apparently this will become another family run "world 
> organization" built around its own
> personal take on the Hapkido arts, meaning its own in-house style of 
> Hapkido.

Hello Bruce:
 From what has been said, I for one can't say for sure what has happened 
between these orgs.  Until I do, I will not make assumptions that might 
or might not be true.  I do not believe that GM Seo will suddenly 
change what he has been teaching for centuries because of this split, 
and I am confident he will continue to teach good Korean martial arts.  
I for one will hopefully be able to glean more of his knowledge 
regardless of what he represents; in fact, I am going to Korea this 
April to do just that, and you can be sure I won't waste my time by 
trying to find out what happened between orgs... I really could care 
less.  All I want is to learn and/or have my students learn, and I 
always support those who are willing to teach me or my students.  It is 
the way:)

Like Dave said in his post.  Once a certificate has been bestowed on me 
by someone whom I care about (I won't bother to go to anyone I don't 
care about), that is enough for me.  I could care less who recognizes 
my certificates.  I see them as a token of appreciation for the many 
hours of studying that go into teaching/learning the required material 
to earn a certificate.  The rest of the world I will have to convince 
by doing the right things on and off the mat, and even though I am not 
always successful, I really try to do just that... the right thing.

I don't think for a minute that anyone will care about my certificates 
when they pay me to teach them.  If they do, I will inform them of 
their errand ways.  In fact, I always make sure folks have a better 
understanding about what it is they should be paying me (or anyone 
else) for.  IMHO, educating folks about training and certification goes 
a long way to earning their trust.  Most of my certificates are tucked 
away in a briefcase and never see the light of day.  They are for me to 
appreciate, and not for me to bamboozle an unsuspecting newcomer with.

Like you, I too have been burned by an org. I worked hard for; however, 
I also realize that one man's errand ways does not mean that all men 
are bad.  I guess the optimist in me looks for the good, the bad and 
the ugly seem to find me without me even looking for them:)  Hope to 
see you in Jackson, we'll have a blast.
Sincerely,
Rudy

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Message: 6
From: Yuribeast@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:38:33 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The Last Samurai (Barry Davis)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In a message dated 12/16/2003 2:44:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:
the first paragraph he states that he hasn't seen the movie and then he 
writes several paragraphs explaining why it is fake and not realistic?
Hi:
   Since I have yet to see the movie, I will of course reserve judgment until 
that point.  However, it appears to me that some folks are not quite getting 
the message that Furuya Sensei is trying to convey.  While he has admitted to 
not seeing the movie, he did say he viewed various documentaries and other 
articles detailing, and showing, historical facts about certain aspects of 
Japanese history that Furuya Sensei appears to be quite an expert on.  In other 
words, you don't have to watch a 2 hour movie to confirm the photos of the props 
and armor shown in the documentaries were indeed the same inaccurate replicas 
used throughout the movie.  Furuya Sensei was shown videos of the armor, 
swords, and swordwork used throughout the movie, and in his opinion, found a number 
of historical inaccuracies.  What's so disingenuous about that?

Sincerely, 
Barry

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Message: 7
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:08:56 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: tournament help
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

"...Alos, What's some criteria for giving judges to judge open style forms
on? Any help is most appreciated! Thanks!

Peter
Harmony Wushu Academy"



hi peter,

scott winokur of www.kungfukc.com runs a tournament with KF, KMA, TCC, san 
chou and other arts every year. you might want to contact him and see how he 
does it. although i think the growth last year was beyond what was expected, 
causing delays, i think it was a well intentioned tourny.

btw, if you choose to have some kind of masters demonstration, keep it short. 
i've seen them go on for two hours before the tournies ever got started. all 
the excitement for the competition kinda dwindles and you lose some fire.

treat your officials (refs, runners, judges, organizers) well. they 
essentially run your show. you want them to come back.

dont make the competitors wait too long to check in. pre-registration is 
nice. people love trophies and recognition. you want them to come back, too :). 

the biggest thing i hear from mixed tournaments is that the judging was 
unfair. so and so's students fared better because the majority of judges were:
a. from his school (and therefore biased, supposedly)
b. from the same style (and therefore biased, supposedly...or ignorant of the 
other style to the point they judged against the opposing competitor based on 
ignorance)
c. inexperienced

mix 'em up as best you can. offer a refereeing seminar for mixed martial arts 
tournament referees. if you do this, make sure the educators are well 
experienced and broadbased in their knowledge. otherwise, at least allow some time 
the morning of for a black belt/sash meeting to discuss the rules and 
recognition of other styles represented.

most of all....good luck! :)

take care,
melinda
Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy
www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769
Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072

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Message: 8
From: "Kim Bauman" <kimbers@cin.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:27:40 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] "in-fighting"
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

It is very easy to attain religious fervor in discussions about the pros and
cons of various styles and schools. The variety is what makes life so
enjoyable. I train at a school with no affiliation. I see individuals with the
same rank with huge differences in the intensity at which they train. Perhaps
it is an opportune moment for me to remember that it is best not to judge a
martial artist solely by the school at which they train. (Kind of like judging
a book by its cover, wouldn't you say?)
Kim Bauman

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Message: 9
From: "michael tomlinson" <tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:22:26 +0000
Subject: [The_Dojang] last samurai
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I saw the movie twice already, once by myself and a HUGE tub of popcorn, and 
once after that with my family and another HUGE tub of popcorn,, probably 
will go see it again!!  I thought it was a good movie whether or not it is 
authentic,, I don't know,, but I have seen it,, and I hate when people say 
that movie popcorn is bad for you,  no way, that stuff is good for you,, 
especially all the layered butter,,, buttered popcorn and martial arts 
movies are my friends!!!
                                                                       
Michael Tomlinson

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:22:51 -0500
From: "Burdick, Dakin R" <burdickd@indiana.edu>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: [The_Dojang] Single elimination tournament
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Peter asked about setting up an 11 man tournament.  Peter, just do a
search on google for "single elimination" and then click on "images" and
you will find a number of sample tournament forms online.  For an 11 man
tournament, use a 12 man competition set up, with the 11th guy facing
no-one.  He gets a "bye" in the first round and fights the winner of #9
vs #10 in the 2nd round.

Yours in the arts,

Dakin

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Message: 11
From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" <danny.dunn@us.army.mil>
To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'"
  <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:18:58 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce-Something to Consider
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Bruce,

I just want to give you something to think about.  Don't mean this to be telling
you what you should do, but just to give you another way to look at things.

You have spent a great deal of time on what organizations should do for you, and
what GM's should do for you.  And I agree with much of what you have said over
time.  However, I have learned over time and through experience that if I am not
happy with the status quo, then I should be examining myself instead of pointing
fingers at others.  I have found that if I am unhappy with a situation, the best
way to resolve "my problem" is to take an action myself to change the situation.
And in reality, your unhappiness is "your problem", just like my unhappiness is
my problem.  Now perhaps that unhappiness comes from someone else not fulfilling
my expectations, but the only thing I have the power to change is my
expectations.

I know from a number of posts you seem very disapointed with GM Myung, the head
of your org, not being able to come to your location. Seems to me that you have
two courses of action to resolve the problem.  You can go to him for your
further training and testing, or you can find another org that will better meet
your desires.  The fact is that the only way you can influence change within an
organization many times is by choosing to be more active and take on the
responsibility to do the things that need doing, or conversly by leaving.

Remember all martial arts are about self awareness and action, not talking.

Danny Dunn  

<<<<<<<<<<<<<It is not that I am ungrateful to John for taking time to respond
to my 
issues. I think everyone would agree that he has been very accomodating to 
just about everyone who has vented their thoughts in his direction. Let me 
just point out to issues in response to your post. 

1.) While we have all been distracted by the Hackworth/KHF mess, there has 
not been much said about its counterpart with the World Kido Federation. I 
had a talk with Julian Lim last night who called to wish me the greetings 
of the season. During the conversation he pretty much finally confirmed to 
me what I had suspected for the last year. Yes, there has been a split 
between the WKF and the KKF. No the KKF does not recognize the paper sold 
by the WKF (even that which was distributed during their period of 
association). Nothing has been heard out of the WKF but apparently this 
will become another family run "world organization" built around its own 
personal take on the Hapkido arts, meaning its own in-house style of 
Hapkido. Which brings me to my REAL bitch. 

2.) Any one who purports to run a "world" anything is telling people that 
they have the ability and resources to handle things on this level. If 
the "WORLD SIMS ASSOCIATION" gets correspondence from Nepal I better damn 
well be able to communicate with people from Nepal as well as have a way 
to maintain quality control in the mountains a half-world away. I am 
saying that I can support activities that speak to the purpose for my 
organization there, and I can handle problems and questions as well. It 
helps to have an on-sight rep but that does not excuse the "home office" 
from its responsibilities. I belong to the World Hapkido Federation under 
GM Myung. However his health problems have kept him from doing seminars 
and consistent teaching for three years now. Nobody else in the 
organization is stepping up to the plate. I also was a member of the World 
Kido Federation. Same story. So what does one do when the designated 
famous personality one has been faithful to suddenly breaks HIS side of 
the contract?

You're right, Ray. I have been harping on this crap for a good while yet, 
and thoroughly intend to harp on it for a while longer. I don't have a 
personal axe to grind while GM Joo Bang Lee or Han Jae Ji or any of dozens 
of other personalities. All I am saying is that if they want a certain 
level of organization and a particular level of committment from their 
followers then they need to shoot straight with the membership and deliver 
on what they say.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:08:32 -0500
From: Brian Beach <brian.beach@verizon.net>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In light of the recent McDojang question -

Why is it that TKD gets so much bashing? If it the sport nature of it, 
why doesn't Judo suffer the same fate? If it is the commercial aspect - 
you are paying to learn a set of skills what you do with them are up to 
you. What is the harm in that? Everyone who takes  piano lessons won't 
be a concert pianist, why should everyone who takes martial arts be 
expected to be some sort of NHB billy badass?

Second Question - Why were you first attracted to the Korean Martial 
Arts? (as opposed to Japanese, Chinese, Filipino etc.)

Brian


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