Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:11:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #571 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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To samurai or not to samurai.... (Burdick, Dakin R) 2. Mary Sue...clarification (Stovall, Craig) 3. Re: To samurai or not to samurai.... (Ray Terry) 4. Large and in Charge (Stovall, Craig) 5. TKD: Rank 'n' Cert (Oludipe O. Tolulope) 6. Dakin's Persian Bodybuilding & Wrestling (Stovall, Craig) 7. Re: TKD: Rank 'n' Cert (Jye nigma) 8. Re: Large and in Charge (Jye nigma) 9. From Another Group...About Iaido (Jye nigma) 10. Harmony Wushu Academy Winter Tournament (harmonywushu@juno.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:42:08 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] To samurai or not to samurai.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >With all this chatter about to Samurai or not to Samurai... anyone familiar with Iaido as well as Haedong Gumdo that can briefly compare and contrast the two arts??? That sounds like a troll to me Ray! :) I do Hoki-ryu iaido and some other forms of swordsmanship. But there are as many differences between different styles of iaido as there are between gumdo and kendo or iaido. Hoki-ryu is sort of the taiji of iaido (circular, flowing, understated). Karl Friday's Kashima-shinryu is at the other end of the spectrum (in your face, aggressive), yet both are koryu (old style martial arts) and both, I think are effective. And there are a LOT of other styles in between there, including systems that are not koryu (ie. systems developed after 1868). For me, the Hagakure is the best guide to the samurai. I hope everyone has seen Ghostdog by now! The role of the bushi was to fight and die for his lord. A modern samurai would be in the military and use an automatic weapon. But it is still fun to play with swords, and budoka are still a good group of people with which to hang out! :) Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:50:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mary Sue...clarification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It occurred to me after I sent my post (as it often happens), that I may have offended some (GASP!!!). Please keep in mind that it was not my intention to come off as being sexist. I know many fine female martial artists, and I could have easily crafted a male character to get my point across as I've known more than a few that fit that same mold. For some reason, "Mary Sue" and her assorted clones out there was on my mind at the time and she became the strawman (or, strawperson) for the argument. I have no problem with the ladies (just ask 'em). Again, my apologies if I offended. Craig "Women are Like the Coolest Thing Ever" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] To samurai or not to samurai.... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:31:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > developed after 1868). For me, the Hagakure is the best guide to the > samurai. I hope everyone has seen Ghostdog by now! Love it! Another one that I highly recommend. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:58:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Large and in Charge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Gee, I hadn't noticed;) Actually, this is one of my pet peeves in the martial arts. I don't see how people can proclaim competency in something that at least has SOME physical component, when it is quite obvious that they are in terrible physical condition. To be blunt, if someone with clinical obesity can master a physical activity...then I have to question the nature of the activity itself. I hear a lot of people (OK, a couple) talking about the responsibility of black belts in terms of their behavior and ethics. I couldn't agree more. If you agree to wear that black cloth there comes a certain amount of behavioral responsibility...at least I like to think that. However, I take it a step further and am of the opinion that black belts should also be responsible for their physical condition. Now, I make allowances for folks as they grow older...we can't all be studs and studettes as we mature into our golden years. But, that doesn't mean we let ourselves slide into the realm of clinical obesity, muscular atrophy, and inflexibility. I'd like to think that one of the martial arts prime values within the context of modern society is that it can be a vehicle for maintaining life long health. It's too bad I see a lot martial artists that look very unhealthy. Martial arts should be healthy...if the black belts aren't healthy...ummmmmmmmm. If people like Jhoon Rhee can maintain a phenomenal level of physical conditioning, then the least the rest of us can do is maintain a sound body composition, and use exercise to maintain a respectable work capacity. People involved in things like TKD have NO excuse, IMHO. If you're really practicing and training, the activity itself will keep you in great condition without any type of auxiliary activity (calisthenics, weight training, running, yoga, etc.). Craig "Too many peeves, and not enough pets" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD: Rank 'n' Cert Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is no doubt an interesting topic. I enjoyed reading posts from Thomas Gordon, Stovall Craig and a number of others. But. Where do the antagonists class Professional TKD fighters i.e. those who don't use body protection? Personally, as a TKD practitioner (WTF), I suffer lots of criticism. No doubt most of which are valid. Thus tell my students, "... Taekwondo is a Martial Art but to become a Martial Artist, you need learn the principles of more than our Art. Do Judo. Good Dojos are more readily available around as compared to Aikido...". In my Dojang, I encourage sparring without protection except when preparing for competitions. This at least gives a practioner the feel of true life give and take.. . At the same time, I like to teach strike control so all can temper their actions with some judgement of circumstance; you do not strike a 62yr old drunk like you'd do a 26yr old thug. In all, I listen to ALL the critisicms, constructive or destructive, filter and do my best to give the best from my arsenal. I want my students to be better equipt as Martial Artist than I am. YeeDan Tolu. Nigeria. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:13:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dakin's Persian Bodybuilding & Wrestling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Hmmmmmm...I have to admit you have me intrigued. My Persian is getting a little chubby even though I switched her to Low Fat 9 Lives...this bodybuilding thing could help her out. Seriously, this sounds very interesting. Can you provide some more info (at least a teaser), or do I have to wait for the JAMA article? Is this related to the "House of Strength" tradition in Iran? What's your exposure to this? I've always been kind of curious about the wrestling/martial arts traditions of India and the Middle East (except for Turkish oil wrestling...yuck), but it's not like there's a ton of info out there. Got any good web sources? Throw a brother a bone!!! Thanks, Craig "But I Do Like Amazon Jello Wrestling" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD: Rank 'n' Cert To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I typically spar without protective gear but we do use controlled techniques. Also it's a circle of responsible friends much like a Dog brother's gathering is what we used to do. People of different martial backgrounds come to learn, teach, trade, and spar. But it really does give you a different "feel" to sparring. Jye --- "Oludipe O. Tolulope" wrote: > > Where do the antagonists class Professional TKD > fighters i.e. those who don't use body protection? > Personally, as a TKD practitioner (WTF), I suffer > lots of criticism. No doubt most of which are valid. > Thus tell my students, "... Taekwondo is a Martial > Art but to become a Martial Artist, you need learn > the principles of more than our Art. Do Judo. Good > Dojos are more readily available around as compared > to Aikido...". > In my Dojang, I encourage sparring without > protection except when preparing for competitions. > This at least gives a practioner the feel of true > life give and take.. . > At the same time, I like to teach strike control so > all can temper their actions with some judgement of > circumstance; you do not strike a 62yr old drunk > like you'd do a 26yr old thug. > In all, I listen to ALL the critisicms, constructive > or destructive, filter and do my best to give the > best from my arsenal. I want my students to be > better equipt as Martial Artist than I am. > > YeeDan Tolu. > Nigeria. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Large and in Charge To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I have to say that's not really fair. The human body is just amazing! It is able to take what it has and use it. So you can be obese and still do physically demanding things *If you train to do them. Hope that makes sense. Also, being skinny or muscular doesn't guarantee being healthy. Being healthy is an internal thing that will show it's benefits externally at times. So you could be a martial artist who works out everyday and does this and that yet have high blood pressure or high cholestoral, etc. But we do know that certain things are known to take place when you are obese...certain dangers. but I often wonder way some martial arts in really physically demanding systems are looking like buddah? Jye --- "Stovall, Craig" wrote: >> Gee, I hadn't noticed;) Actually, this is one of my > pet peeves in the > martial arts. I don't see how people can proclaim > competency in something > that at least has SOME physical component, when it > is quite obvious that > they are in terrible physical condition. To be > blunt, if someone with > clinical obesity can master a physical > activity...then I have to question > the nature of the activity itself. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:11:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From Another Group...About Iaido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Iaido is the art of using a real sword, as opposed to wooden or bamboo. Most practice is solo, rather than partnered, for obvious reasons. Class usually consists of the instructor demonstrating a technique, the class performing it, and the instructor demonstrating errors and corrections. It is either envigorating and absorbing, or mind-numbingly boring, depending on what you bring to it. Some groups focus on meditative aspects, others on combative efficiency. Some practice cutting inanimate objects, others feel this is undignified and corrupts your technique. Some groups do a lot of partner work with bokken, others feel this makes for sloppy waza and delay partner forms until 4-5 dan. The Kendo federation has an abbreviated Iaido set called Seitei Iai that they use to round out their shinai practice, and several koryu based on kenjutsu have Iaido sets (often called 'batto'). However, classical Iaido is taught as a complete sword art in itself. Eishin-ryu includes about 60 techniques of cutting on the draw in various situations, plus about 7 to 40 partner drills (depending on the school). Iaido is not generally a battlefield system, but developed for dueling, civil defense and probably assasination techniques. The origin story was the Hayashizaki Jisuke Shigenobu had to fight a duel with a superior kenjutsuka, and a divine vision revealed the method of fighting from the sheathed position. Tosa samurai were reknowned for being constantly ready, even when seemingly relaxed and off their guard. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:49 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: harmonywushu@juno.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Harmony Wushu Academy Winter Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joseph Lumpkin Shinsei Hapkido -- __--__-- Message: 5 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:23:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Harmony Wushu............ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: When, and where is this event to transpire? Respectfully, George Hi George! The tournament will be February 28th, in Philomath Oregon, at Philomath High School. We'll be doing ten seperate competitions, ranging from forms/kata to five kinds of sparring (Includign stick fighting) and two grappling divisions. the proceeds will go to benefit Jackson Street Youth shelter, in Corvallis, Oregon. Thanks! Later Peter Cooke Harmony Wushu Academy Join the Fight against violence! Subscribe to the Martial Artists Against Violence email list by sending a message to martialartistsagainstviolence-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! 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