Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:01:47 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #576 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1600 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. re: Happy Holiday's (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 2. Mary Sue...last thing (Stovall, Craig) 3. From another group...Car Jacking (Jye nigma) 4. Re: Mary Sue...last thing (Ray Terry) 5. Candied Yams (David Weller) 6. Holiday training break (Ray Terry) 7. Re: re: Happy Holiday's (Braeswood Martial Arts) 8. US Open (Ray Terry) 9. RE: RE: in view of recent events (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 10. The right stuff (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:34:41 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Happy Holiday's Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Miss Kelly, I hope that you are healing well and that you have a Happy Holiday and a Healthy New Year Tang Soo Dean Sr. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:32:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mary Sue...last thing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh, how I wish I had made him a Billy Bob to begin with...a 23-year-old Billy Bob. The problem is that everyone immediately focuses on gender and age, and misses the point that I was REALLY trying to make (and failed miserably). It's not about Mary Sue...it's about the programs that create these people. It's the organizations making money by selling a fantasy...an illusion. Mary Sue was invented to help answer a very simple question...why does TKD get bashed so much? Whether you like it or not, this archetype is a BIG part of the bashing. That was my intention...not to take a misogynistic swipe at the population of female martial artists out there. Mary Sue's problem is not that she is a 40-something woman who has to get her 12-year-old son to open the new jar of pickles. Mary Sue's problem is that she was sold an illusion. She is NOT a black belt...regardless of what a piece of paper says. She CANNOT defend herself, nor can she teach others to do so...regardless of what a piece of paper says. She is NOT a national/world champion...regardless of what her trophy says. She is the product of a McDojang belt mill. I understand that people train for different reasons...I'm not YET so dense and self-centered that I fail to get that point. But, I'll never allow that as an excuse for what McDojangs do. And don't get me wrong...there are some GREAT martial artists out there running commercially successful schools. This is NOT about commercial martial arts. This is about belt mills selling something that LOOKS like martial arts. If you're really honest with yourself (and you're not involved with one of these joints)...then you KNOW exactly what I'm talking about. It ain't about Mary Sue, folks!!! It's about the martial arts version of a high-end used car lot that she was unfortunate enough to walk into. That's all I'm saying. However, I reserve the right to be a jerk about it...he he. Craig "No More Poking Fun at Stereotypes" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group...Car Jacking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello people, I have not posted anything in a while because I have been on an extended vacation, but I am back now. I want to discuss the subject of combat arenas. Most martial artists train in a dojo or dojo-type environment. Seldom will you ever face real combat in such an arena. It is wise to consider, prepare for and train for all the other types of environments and arenas you just might be in when faced with actual combat. Realistic combat arenas might include: · Your home · The workplace · Parking lots · Taverns, bars, clubs that you frequent · Inside a phone booth · Inside an elevator · Subways · Train stations · Tightly enclosed environments · Open spaces · Alleyways · Inside an automobile Each of these environments presents unique opportunities to exploit if you've trained for them realistically. Car Jacking A student of mine was approached by a car-jacker at a red light. The jacker had two associates with him but only he was wielding a gun. The occurred in what was considered a bad part of town. The car-jacker with the gun stood directly in front of the truck and ordered my student out of the vehicle. Analysis of the altercation My student followed the steps that I teach below and decided to take what he thought was the best course of action at the time. 1. Identify the Problem 2. Determine who and what is involved 3. Identify the Primary Motivation 4. Options: What are yours? What are theirs? 5. Take away the Motivation or the Remove the Problem or threat The truck was already in drive. He merely took his foot off the brake and suddenly stepped on the gas as hard as he could, striking the gun wielding assailant and running over him with the truck! When asked what happened to the assailant he could only reply "I don't know, I just took off!" Regardless of what you may think about this or how you feel, the fact is that my student was able to tell about the encounter. Many victims in similar situations did not live to tell about it. I also have a friend who had a girlfriend who responded in the exact same way. She did this only because when the car-jacking attempt happened she remembered the words of her father who had previously told her this: "The best weapon that you have is the car that your are in. If you have the opportunity to do so, just run over them with the car." You see, people all to often make the often- fatal mistake of assuming that criminals think logically. The logical thing, you might conclude, is that as long as you give the assailant what he wants then you will be in no danger. The reality is that many muggings and crimes that may be for money or cars turn violent for no apparent reason whatsoever. You comply giving the assailant exactly what he wants and pout up no resistance at all and go out of your way not to antagonize the assailant in any way. Said assailant then decides almost as an afterthought to kill you anyway just for the hell of it. You life is just that meaningless to some. A situation like the one that these two people faced could have culminated in a senseless murder even if they had complied and given up the vehicle. Peer pressure: There is always a heightened probability of a mugging or car-jacking turning violent or even fatal when you are dealing with several assailants as opposed to just one. There is that heightened element of peer pressure and even a mini-mob mentality. You may sometimes be able to reason with a single individual, use combat psychology on them or appeal to their humanity. It is much more difficult to deal with a gang, especially when one of them eggs on another or dares him to prove that he has the right stuff and can "smoke" a "vic" just for the hell of it. This is a rep-building opportunity. That's what you're up against people. Being overly idealistic about the humanity of criminals can be, and often is, fatal. Did my student want to run over this man? Of course not! Did he enjoy it? Of course not! He was a law abiding, tax-paying, working man. A husband and a father and a Christian. Did he later regret it? NO. He did not. Because he knew what many readers may not know. He knew of the countless examples of similar situation resulting in murder. He also saw that the assailants were on foot, only one was brandishing a weapon (very important) and once he took him out he would then have time to get away before his associates could pick up the gun and fire it. He chose a course of action that these car- jackers obviously had not contemplated. When you boldly stand in front of a mans truck, demand that he get out of it and give it to you while brandishing a gun you must be pretty darn certain that your intended victim will not run you over. You (the criminal) are betting and counting on your intended victims humanity and love for your life to outweigh his love for his own. Unfortunately, all to often the criminals assumptions are right and the victim passes up his one good opportunity to effectively defend himself because he, unlike his assailant, is not an "animal". No sir, the intended victim is a `humanitarian'. My associates assailants were apparently counting on that type of thinking. Like I said, criminals use Mental Combat all the time. They consider your options and anticipate your most likely response to their actions. This time they bet wrong. What about you? What would you have done? Do what you must if (God forbid) you are ever in a similar situation but just understand this, you will be totally at the mercy of the criminals if you pass up your one viable options of escape. And the newspaper headlines should convince you that many criminals have no mercy. Remember also, he who hesitates loses. You usually do not have time in any hostile situation to moralize or debate with yourself about just how far you will go to protect yourself of someone else. You must resolve those issues now. You must mentally work on developing the ability to use maximum violence if necessary without wasting time moralizing about the consequences. Better to work all of that out now so that you can act if necessary. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mary Sue...last thing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Oh, how I wish I had made him a Billy Bob to begin with...a 23-year-old > Billy Bob. Not to worry. "Mary Sue" -and- "Milton" were great! Loved 'em both... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:47:49 -0600 From: David Weller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Candied Yams Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kerry, I can insult Mrs. Brady's candied yams all I want. I outrank her. Plus, I can kick her ass, after all, she isn't training for the "right" reasons. I say we live dangerously when we meet at high noon and do our poomse shootout at 20 paces! That ought to put the fear of God into any spectators .... I'll see ya there, pard. Just don't go whining to our seniors when my ki-hop shatters the windows..... dave "shakin' in my bare feet" weller On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 05:01 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > You, Mr. Weller, have finally crossed the line. Yes, > my friend, you have gone too far! To impugn the fine reputation and > outstanding flavor and texture of Mrs. Brady's Candied Yams is beyond > the > pale. You are going to have to atone for your insolence. I'm callin' > you > out, boy! The next time you come to Wichita we're going to settle > this. I > think Kibon Poomsae at 60 paces will be a fitting method to teach you a > lesson. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:16:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Holiday training break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi, the list will probably be a bit slow through the holidays as I head off to Ohio. Happy holidays to all, be safe... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re: Happy Holiday's Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:01:44 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Dean. I am healing with mush less pain then I was expecting. Best gift I could have received this Christmas:) Have a safe and healthy new year. Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:34 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Happy Holiday's > Miss Kelly, > > I hope that you are healing well and that you have a Happy Holiday and a > Healthy New Year > > Tang Soo > > Dean Sr. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:26:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] US Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net US Open TKD Chip February 17-22, 2004 University of South Florida, Sun Dome Tampa, Florida Participant Qualifications: - Kukkiwon Black Belt Holder (US competitors - any black belt cert) - Proof of Age - 2004 USTU membership (US competitors only) Single elimination Current WTF/USTU Compeitition Rules Sparring and Poomse 11-13 Black belts Junior Black belts (14-17) Senior Division (18+) Ultra Division (33+) - 33-40 Division - 41-50 Division - 50+ Division For more info go to http://ustu.org --__--__-- Message: 9 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: in view of recent events Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:19:25 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net great to hear another positive msg. I too signed up to TKD with my twin boys. I too have seen some of the benefits that you have mentioned. one of my boys who was 'nt finding school easy, is now improving significantly in his class work. STAY POSITIVE -----Original Message----- From: Scott D. Feldstein [mailto:scott@scottfeldstein.net] Sent: 21 December 2003 18:09 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: in view of recent events Mr. Luttrell: Thank you, sir. Your words below were inspirational. It's sometimes disheartening that the conversation on this mailing list often turns to politics, scandal, testosterone-fueled trash talking, open criticism of other styles, open criticism of other people, and other less-than-noble subjects. Two years ago, looking for something constructive to do with my 9-year-old son, I signed us up for martial arts training. I chose a local tae kwon do dojang simply because it was only one mile from my house and seemed reputable. Since that time my life has improved in a number of unexpected ways. I quit smoking. I lost 30 pounds. I began exercising even outside the dojang. I slept and ate better. I spent more time with my son and my daughter (I signed her up, too, after I realized how great it was). I achieved significant gains in my career. I began thinking of myself in a different and more positive way. Somehow I felt more confident and self-assured. And now, two years later and approximately six months of hard work away from a black belt, it occurs to me that martial arts is more than just ass-kicking and fitness training. It's more than boxing or a membership at a health club. At some level traditional martial arts is about being a better person. The tenets of tae kwon do (Courtesy, Integrity, Perseverance, Self-control and Indomitable Spirit) are increasingly meaningful to me. And so is the pledge of my dojang which states, in part, "I will endeavor to build a more peaceful world," and "I will be a champion of freedom and justice." Likewise with the student oath which in part reads "I will observe the unwritten rule of martial arts and only speak well of, and never criticize, other students." I will help them as I am able, and accept help from them with gratitude. We are all on the same path together. Thank you for your encouragement, sir. Respectfully, Scott << Everyone who trains has a different reason for training. As long as they are setting and achieving goals they have set for themselves, I say ROCK ON... I hope to lead those who wish to practice martial arts in the right direction by setting a good example. I wont talk negative talk about other martial artists and I try to live the Tenents of TKD and the 5 point Code of conduct. So to everyone out there, Keep training, _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:35:01 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The right stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Scott writes: Hello Scott: Congratulations! I congratulate you not on the many improvements that made you a more confident person, that is what most get out of training. > I quit smoking. I lost 30 pounds. I began exercising even outside > the dojang. I slept and ate better. I spent more time with my son > and my daughter (I signed her up, too, after I realized how great it > was). I achieved significant gains in my career. I began thinking of > myself in a different and more positive way. Somehow I felt more > confident and self-assured. I congratulate you on understanding that you have grasped the bigger meaning of martial arts. > I will observe the unwritten rule of martial arts and only speak well > of, and never criticize, other students." I will help them as I am > able, and accept help from them with gratitude. I know of many high ranking martial artists who fail to grasp these all important aspects of being a good martial artist. When the body starts to fail, it is a comfortable feeling to know you have earned the respect you have earned from more than just kicking butt. As Jere said in his post, the folks who are asked to teach at JRs events are carefully chosen, and I am SURE that I am not there because of any butt kicking abilities I might once have had:) Arrogance is only for those who do not care about their future role in martial arts. I thank you both for the great posts. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest