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Re: Weight workout plans (Randy Mertes) 2. RE Delema Loyalty to School (Richard Tomlinson) 3. Travel (Rudy Timmerman) 4. RE: weight workout plans? (Kirk Lawson) 5. first mutants (Charles Richards) 6. To Mr. Fawbush (freddie bishop) 7. To Mr. Fawbush #2 (freddie bishop) 8. Travel to Train (Kevin) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Randy Mertes" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:23:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight workout plans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having been a competitive olympic-style weightlifter before getting into TKD, I believe I can finally contribute something to the DD. Mr. Stovall's comments were appreciated. Stick with an olympic style and/or powerlifting regimen and you probably won't go wrong. When it comes to becoming an athlete, the larger muscle groups are where you want to focus. IMHO, curls and lat-pulls are a waste of time. Also, if done properly, a good routine will help flexibility rather than hinder it. I would stick with things like squats and clean-pulls (the first half of a power clean) for the lower body, and bench presses for the upper. Keep in mind that the back position is the most critical thing when doing squats and clean-pulls for safety reasons. Arch the lower back as you begin the lift (try to touch the back of your head with your butt) and keep the shoulders back. Have your partner lay a board the length of your spine. If there is daylight underneath it through the entire lift, you are keeping position. Deadlifts and goodmornings are a couple more good lower back lifts. (If you tend to lean forward during the squat, include some of these for lower back development). The second thing I would do is incorporate some speed movements into the workout. (Slow, methodical movements like heavy squats train us to be slow and methodical).Also, the theory is that if we only use heavy (squat, benchpress) movements, we tend to expend only as much energy as it takes to complete the life, and thus shortchange ourselves. The clean pulls will help develop the fast-twitch muscles but you can also use speed squats. Take about 80 - 90% of your best squat and try to come up from the bottom position as fast as possible. Caution: as you begin to develop power, the bar will actually come off the shoulders. At that point it is time to add weight because you don't want a heavy bar coming back down on your spine. Best thng to do is experimrnt with these until you become comfortable with them. If you are into hapkido, the benchpresses will be helpful. I would also include some push presses off a rack. These will develop speed in your upper body muscles, especially shoulders and triceps. As far as reps go, I would begin with 3-4 reps for the heavy lifts and 5-6 for the speed lifts. You can experiment with the number of sets and reps but as you begin to tire, your technique will tend to suffer. Technique is always critical. Randy M. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:29:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE Delema Loyalty to School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently loyalty was an issue at our school. Those whom left did not bring their feelings to our head instructor which was very sad. I have strong feelings about this as I am also an instructor. If students are unhappy with their training in school an instructor needs to know so as to help in any way we can. This Martial Art requires one to be very fit and training as many days as possible. When I began teaching I had the delema of how to manage to maintain and improve my skills. I do all the aerobic drills with my students setting an example and I set aside time to train on my own and include running and climbing daily. I realize not everyone has extra time and depend on the classroom for their physical training. My suggestion is you ask your instructor if there can be a couple extra classes, or longer classes to attend to your needs as I am sure there are other students who may share your feelings. True many dojangs depend on their kids as their main income and adult classes can suffer because of it. But I am a staunce believer in loyalty to your school but schools must create loyalty by their quality and integrety ect... Instructors must be as much help to students and design programs for not only group training but individual needs also. Lessons should be constantly interesting, stimulating and effective. Each student should leave their dojang feeling not only have they improved on techniques, learned something new but also a sense of self improvement, accomplishing yet another goal. Good luck! I am sure if you find you need to move on you will find a dojang to fit your physical and spiritual needs! Sandy Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:43:10 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Travel Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: > You got in a airplane? I am impressed. Hello Jere: Hope you had a great holiday season. Yep, I actually have been flying a bit lately. After Korea and Australia, I began to loosen up a bit about my flying reservations. Still don't like it much, but it won't keep me from going places to learn or share martial arts. I would consider flying to Jackson, but by driving there some of my students can manage to come. I'll reserve some Canadian medicine for you to get over the shock:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:06:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] weight workout plans? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:51:43 -0800 (PST) > From: james fawbush > To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] weight workout plans? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I was wondering if anyone had any workout plans that would > help me in martial arts. The Carl Gotch Bible (description here: http://alliancemartialarts.com/Natural%20Health%201.0.pdf) and the Strongfort workout (http://ejmas.com/pt/ptart_brennan_0902.htm and http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Strongfort/stronfortindex.htm). Peace favor your sword === "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] first mutants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Thomas, "Upon seeing the picture, I remember training with the gentlemen at the last Jackson Seminar. He was truly a quality martial artist and a gentleman. I enjoyed talking a little about the Shotokan I practice and what the similarities and differences are between that and the Tang Soo Do he practiced. He's a great reflection of your quality instruction and mentoring." I am truly humbled by your kind words and pleased to get good feedback about my future mutants. I'm going to copy him on this thread because I didn't do any of the work, just a little guiding :-) Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] To Mr. Fawbush Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am not an expert on weight training but you should check out books written by Charles Polquin and Charles Staley. Polquin is a strength and conditioning coach to many top level athletes both pro and amateur. Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] To Mr. Fawbush #2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Before diving into weight training I think you should consult a fitness expert or better yet maybe talk with the local high school strength coach on how to properly execute the free weight exercises, especially the Olympic style lifting methods if that is the road you want to take. Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kevin" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:34:25 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "BTW, I plan to drive to Jackson; after all, it is just a mere 20 hours or so... a nice little jaunt. Heck, in my younger days (around mid-fifty), I would drive 56 hours to join my GM for his birthday party in San Francisco. " Master Timmerman certainly has "Martial Arts Travel Endurance". Just for fun I am interested in other feats of "Martial Arts Travel Endurance" by others in order to either train, teach, or support a Martial Arts event. The longest drive I have done was a 14 hour to the Jackson seminar I have done many 8 to 12 hour drives to assist Master Timmerman at seminars. I used to drive over 4 hours in the evening to train or lead class, at Master Tiimermans club, for 2 hours 3-4 times a month. I don't think I will ever hit the 56 hour mark, but then I am on the West coast now so who knows? Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest