Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:56:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #6 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Travel to Train (Buffy) 2. Korean studies at Korea University (Ray Terry) 3. RE: Weight Workouts for Martial Artists (Mike aka Shugendo) 4. Travel to Train (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 5. 20th international (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. RE: Travel to Train (Frank Leonard) 7. Training and loyalty (Rudy Timmerman) 8. McDojang vs. Legit Dojang (Chris and Cindy) 9. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train (hwarangrage@optonline.net) 10. Re: Weight workout plans (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Buffy" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:38:38 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seems like things are a "bit" different in the States than in little Demark :oD I drive 1 hour to train and 1 hour back - that is considered as a LONG trip (should it be journey :o)) ) Most people in Denmark will not use more than 30 min. to and from their jobs, otherwise they will move or change job; even less time regarding something that is done in your sparetime. Buffy. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:21:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean studies at Korea University Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... KOREA UNIVERSITY MASTER IN KOREAN STUDIES Enrich your knowledge of Korea at one of the most prestigious universities in Korea Offers both two-year Masters degree and one-year Certificate programs All courses are taught in English Program emphasizes contemporary Korean society, with special focus on culture, economy, politics and modern history Full or partial scholarships are available Students are accepted for admission every semester Application deadline: Spring Semester 2004 (starting March) For more information, contact: Graduate School of International Studies Korea University Phone: 02) 3290-1391; fax: 02)929-0402 e-mail: gsis@korea.ac.kr http://www.koreagsis.ac.kr --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:33:11 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Weight Workouts for Martial Artists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to concur with sticking with the olympic style lifts. I've been in the gym since I was 18 years old and have the greatest strength gains recently (I'm 41) with a combination of olympic lifts and kettlebells. I won't go into the specifics, because I believe we've covered them on the digest a number of times, but I've been working out in this manner since March 2003 and will not be returning to 'regular' weightlifting ever again. BTW - It's always entertaining to watch the 'gym rats' stare dumbfounded as I toss a KB around, do weighted turkish get-ups or high-rep snatches! They primp and pose and barely break a sweat while I'm in the process of producing my own body of water on the gym floor... at least I get pleny of space to work out! :P Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Phone: 301/404-2571 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:48:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having had the only hapkido dojang in Cincinnati, my students came from all over the tri-state area and joked that they passed 100 sport martial arts schools to get to our dojang. Most do not live here on the west side. Of course, I always told them that the only reason I opened this dojang was because there was no one here for me to train with. When we first moved here 6 years ago I looked for a hapkido teacher and found no one. I went to every dojang that listed hapkido, they usually had no ranking in it, or very little experience. Myung had passed through here when he 1st came to the US and taught the local tkd, but that was a long time ago. I did find a 8th dan (then 7th dan) down in Jackson so I went to visit him - the rest is history. Now that we are moving to Fargo, ND, I understand that they only have tkd in the way of KMA with the exception of a few hapkido seminars by Master Booth. Master Timmerman: To bad we did not first meet 20 years ago. After I taught the Saturday morning class, I would go to the airport and spend the rest of the weekend jumping out of airplanes and talking everyone into taking their first jump! Talk about practicing your falls! :) Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:53:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 20th international Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While the list is a little slow, I thought I would copy the post on budoseek giving everyone the details about this March (that is now only a few months away): Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com March 5th - 7th, 2004 20th INTERNATIONAL HAPKIDO and KOREAN MARTIAL ARTS SEMINAR "In memory of Master Renee West (1961-2003)" Master J. R. West (a Kidohwe 8th dan who received his 1st dan in 1967), will be hosting the 20th INTERNATIONAL HAPKIDO and KOREAN MUDO SEMINAR at the Jackson Southwest Inn Hotel (601-355-3472, group rate of $55 per night). The fee is $85 at the door; $65 Pre-registered by February 20th, 2004. Areas To Be Covered: Empty-Hand Self-Defense Breathing And Ki Techniques Advanced Techniques Weapons Techniques Philosophy Of Motion And Much More.... OPEN TO ALL STYLES AND RANKS Age 15 and up SCHEDULE Friday, March 5th: 6:00 pm - 9:00 pm. 2 sessions Saturday, March 6th: 9:00 am - 7:15 pm. 7 sessions Sunday, March 7th: 0:00 am - 2:15 pm. 3 sessions During the course of the clinic, each one-hour session consists of three different classes from which to choose. Attend only the classes that interest you. Most classes are repeated so that you don't have to miss anything. Attend all or part of the three-day seminar. Certificates of completion are awarded Saturday evening. All sessions will be held at the hotel. When making reservations, advise the clerk that you are part of the “Hapkido Seminar” group with a rate of $55 (for single or double occupancy and includes the Continental breakfast). The hotel has agreed to make a buffet available on Friday night following the last session and on Saturday during the lunch break. A map is available at http://www.hapkido.com/hotelmap.htm. The instructors: This event is sponsored by the USKMAF and is open to all Korean mudoin. The USKMAF is represented by Master West (hapkido); Master Rich Hodder, 8th dan (taekwondo); and Master Dennis McHenry, 6th dan (tangsoodo). Other USKMAF hapkido instructors include: Master Jere Hilland, 5th Dan, Bright, IN; Master Perry Lyons, 5th Dan, Littlestown, PA; Master Don Kirsch, 5th Dan, Austin, TX; Master Joe Borucki, 5th Dan, Hampstead, MD; Master Instructor Dexter Mangum, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS; Dr. Javad Tavassoli, 4th Dan, Savannah, GA; Master Instructor Mark Propst, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS; and Master Instructor John Lindsly, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS. Guest instructors include: Master Rudy Timmerman, 8th Dan, Ontario, Canada; Master Geoff Booth, 7th Dan, Sydney, Australia; Master Hal Whalen, 7th Dan, Boston; Master Holcombe Thomas, 7th dan, MA; and Master Ray Terry, 5th Dan, Campbell, CA. Special guest will be Dr. He Young Kimm, president and founder of the World HanMuDo Association. Dr. Kimm is a world famous Martial Art practitioner, teacher, historian and author, and has long been associated with Master West and the USKMAF. Several different Hapkido organizations will be represented at the 20th International: the Dae Han (Hap) KiDo Hwe by Dr. He Young Kimm & Master West. The USKMAF by Master West, Master Richard Hodder and Master Dennis McHenry. The National Korean Martial Arts Association by Master Rudy Timmerman. The Korea Hapkido Federation by Master Hal Whalen, and Master Holcombe Thomas (both of these men are mentioned on the KHF website as the most Sr. KHF members in the USA). The International Hapkido Alliance/Australian Hapkido Group, under Master Geoff Booth (also of the Sin Moo Hapkido Association); and the Sin Moo Hapkido Assn. under GM Ji, Han Jae by Master Ray Terry. USKMAF website: www.hapkido.com Phone: 601-856-8487 Email: hapkido@netdoor.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Frank Leonard" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:54:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sounds like you guys might be a little smarter than us??? Frank -----Original Message----- From: Buffy [mailto:buffy@thomasblak.dk] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:39 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train Seems like things are a "bit" different in the States than in little Demark :oD I drive 1 hour to train and 1 hour back - that is considered as a LONG trip (should it be journey :o)) ) Most people in Denmark will not use more than 30 min. to and from their jobs, otherwise they will move or change job; even less time regarding something that is done in your sparetime. Buffy. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:49:11 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training and loyalty Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sandy writes: > I am a staunce believer in loyalty to your school but schools must > create loyalty by their quality and integrity etc... Instructors must > be as much help to students and design programs for not only group > training but individual needs also. Lessons should be constantly > interesting, stimulating and effective. Each student should leave > their dojang feeling not only have they improved on techniques, > learned something new but also a sense of self improvement, > accomplishing yet another goal. Hello Sandy: I enjoyed reading your comments. Just for the heck of it, I thought I'd add another perspective to yours. Most students seem to live for learning new things, and few realize that practicing the old things is where they gain the real knowledge. In my system, I have the higher dahn ranks teach the lower dahn ranks. I do this so they can continue to practice their material. It is not the best way, but it has worked pretty well for me so far. Some folks see this as a cop out on my part; however, I have witnessed too many dahn holders fail to practice their stuff, and this method (flawed as it might be) at least gives them some practice. Problem with this is that the higher dahn ranks need to spend more time at the dojang, and some complain that this is too much. I understand this; however, the extra time is not because of teaching. IMHO, the teaching I require my dahn ranks to do is just making sure that they continue to practice their old stuff. The problem is that learning more stuff takes more time, nothing more - nothing less. If the curriculum in your school is extensive, students will need more time as they get higher up in rank. If they are just willing/able to spend the same amount of time as they did as a white belt, they are merely swapping the practice of old stuff for the learning new stuff. In this case, it is my belief that they are missing the boat altogether. In addition to this, I expect my black belts to learn to stand on their own two feet, and I won't hold their hands as if they were novice students. Some see this as abandonment on my part; however, it is simply a matter of allowing my students to grow into mature martial artists... it is certainly not that I care less. If our disgruntled friend has an older Instructor, s/he might be using the same methods I do. In this case, I strongly suggest that he check his own training habits before lamenting that his Instructor is not willing to teach him. S/he may simply be trying to do his or her best to avoid having him miss the boat:) In any case, like Sandy said, talk to your Instructor and resolve the issue SAP. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:02:38 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris and Cindy Subject: [The_Dojang] McDojang vs. Legit Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is it possible to blend aspects of both - McDojang and Legit Dojang - in order to provide quality training for your students as well as provide a living for yourself and family. For example: 1. Have contracts for your students. This will provide a steady and guaranteed cash flow as well as encourage the student to stick around for more than a few months so they can get through the tough times that many seem to encounter during their first 6 months of training - resulting in drop outs. Also, this may cause them to see their goal more clearly after a year or so and continue to work towards that goal, while the same goal may be cloudy to them after their first 3 or 4 months of training. (hopefully that makes sense) 2. Create a fun atmosphere in the Dojang: a. utilize music to create a distraction from the repetition as well as creating a desire to stay with the beat and train harder. I don't think music is necessary during an entire class, but it may be helpful during certain portions of the class. b. utilize activities that appear to be games but actually promote reaction, balance and speed practice. 3. Maintain high standards and expectations for your students so they are promoted when they deserve it instead of when they have put in a minimum amount of time at any one level. Hopefully creating well deserved and well trained black belts in a matter of years instead of months. (there is a local Dojang that advertises obtaining a black belt in less than 10 months) I would like to hear the opinions of others on this topic -- I know, there was no need to say that... -Chris --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:56:34 -0600 From: hwarangrage@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you look at it as something to do,but if you are a true martial artist you would travel a few more hours. Why because it not something to do in your spare time its a way of life. Hwa Rang. To all DD may you all have a very good NEW YEAR. Nobleknight1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Leonard Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2004 10:54 am Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train > Sounds like you guys might be a little smarter than us??? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Buffy [buffy@thomasblak.dk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:39 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Travel to Train > > Seems like things are a "bit" different in the States than in > little Demark > :oD > > I drive 1 hour to train and 1 hour back - that is considered as a > LONG trip > (should it be journey :o)) ) > > Most people in Denmark will not use more than 30 min. to and from > theirjobs, otherwise they will move or change job; even less time > regardingsomething that is done in your sparetime. > > Buffy. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:35:56 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight workout plans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Yep. I don't know about you, but the smell test I use when evaluating exercise movements is to look at the number of joints involved in moving the weight. If there are not two or more joints involved somewhere in the movement...I probably won't consider it. For example, the classic strict barbell curls with arms across a preacher bench. Obviously, this is designed to isolate the biceps. The fact that the only joint moving is the elbow is the red flag. Now, if you're trying to get a great biceps peak that's one thing, but it would never translate greatly to an activity that involves full-body engagement. Contrast that exercise with the types that you're referring to...squatting, cleaning, pressing. All of these involve multiple joint movement (the kinetic chains), and require stimulation of the larger muscle groups. Yes, we're absolutely on the same page. Of course, I have to throw that "count the joints" rule out the window when it comes to doing some of the auxiliary movements...especially those designed to hit the core area. I'm thinking right now of good mornings (like you mentioned) as well as stiff-legged deadlifts. Obviously, those don't involve a lot of joint movement, but they certainly are crucial in developing the back and hamstrings. I wish I had discovered the Olympic Style of lifting earlier in life, but I'm afraid my first exposure to weight bearing exercise was probably through the glossy pages of a Joe Weider publication. "How to Get Cannonball Delts in 26 Days", or some such nonsense. Oh well. BTW, Randy...do you know why they eliminated the strict press from the Olympic Movements for competition and pared it down to the current two lifts? I've yet to find any historical information on that. Someone also mentioned the "Carl Gotch Bible", but I couldn't get the link to work. Is that the deal with the deck of cards...turnover a 7 of clubs and do 7 push-ups, turnover a 9 of diamonds and do 9 squats? Yeah, I do that a lot. If you try to do it for time (say 12 minutes or less for the deck) it will flat grind you down. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. 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