Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:42:06 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #8 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Opinions Needed on the Quality of ITA schools (L. L.) 2. Wisdom of the sages (Charles Richards) 3. Travel to train (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Nak bup (Rudy Timmerman) 5. To Mac or not to Mac (dojang) (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Lori Kettle- Information Request (Paul E. Davis - Ken Clary & Company) 7. re: building a floor (Lasich, Mark D.) 8. Re: curls are for girls (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. Re: building a floor (normlangevin@rogers.com) 10. building a floor (Calvin Berlin) 11. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Laying_a_Floor?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 12. money to the NK ITF's Chang Ung ?? (Ray Terry) 13. RE: building a floor (Hagness, Chris R.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "L. L." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:33:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Opinions Needed on the Quality of ITA schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am a first degree black who has just joined an ITA school. (I trained at a WTF school for 3 years). I am just trying the school out for a couple of weeks. It's labeled as Taekwondo Plus. I know that Taekwondo Plus is sort like a franchise b/c there are schools all over the US with this name. I don't know that much about the organization, but I was wondering if someone can give me some feedback on the quality of this organization/school.   L.L. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Wisdom of the sages Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A wise man sayeth "Most students seem to live for learning new things, and few realize that practicing the old things is where they gain the real knowledge." and GM Shin, Jae Chul said "Tang Soo Do Ryun Ma is, I believe, the most accurate description of what we do. Ryun means repetition. Ma means grinding or polishing." Since last March in Jackson, I have been working on one or two concepts from GM Timmerman and Master Ricks. If I related my skill in these new techniques to a polished stone I'd say maybe the burs are rounded off, but the finish is a dull matte. And yet I continue to eat a little rice when time permits. GM Timmerman's post brings out another new learning curve. With learning about business, sales, legal requirements, and record keeping, while simutaneously authoring a cirriculum, teaching classes and raising two of my own kids....it sure seams like working a day job sure can get in the way of what I'd consider adequate training at the 4th Dan level. I have a wonderful wood floor mirrored workout space and in 6-8 hours a week at my studio I do well to go through the warm ups and conditioning in both classes every night. But there are the few days at work that I don't have to work through lunch, and the few days I get to the dojang 30 to 45 minutes before my first student. Someday, I'll be able to look back at the first day I went full time, like GM Timmerman, neh? Yours in jung do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:38:00 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Travel to train Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Buffy writes: > Seems like things are a "bit" different in the States than in little > Demark > :oD > > I drive 1 hour to train and 1 hour back - that is considered as a LONG > trip > (should it be journey :o)) ) Hello Buffy: When I lived in Holland (also very small) it was the same, and a three hour drive across the country put me in Germany. In Canada and the US, you may need to drive that long just to get to the next gas station:) I regularly drove 8 hours one way to train with my old Master. You get used to these distances after a while. On the other hand, there are not many people left who would drive as long as you do to train. things are changing fast, and many folks are becoming a bit more leisure like about their training. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:45:27 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Nak bup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: > To bad we did not first meet 20 years ago. After I taught the Saturday > morning class, I would go to the airport and spend the rest of the > weekend > jumping out of airplanes and talking everyone into taking their first > jump! Hello Jere: What's up with the Master Timmerman stuff? I just got used to using first names, and now you are using the titles again. You just like to keep me confused:) Twenty years ago I would not have gotten into an airplane, let alone jump out of one to practice falling. Good thing we did NOT meet until a few years ago. Do I hear you right? Moving again? Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:58:14 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] To Mac or not to Mac (dojang) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris writes: > Is it possible to blend aspects of both - McDojang and Legit Dojang - > in > order to provide quality training for your students as well as provide > a > living for yourself and family. Hello Chris: Great question! I think some of the things you list are great tools to train people, and as far as I am concerned they are not a telltale sign of Mc Dojang. The 10 month Black Belt ad on the other hand????? I think it is quite possible to run a good school and still use modern concepts. Personally, I don't go for the music, but I would not look down on anyone who does use it and gets good results with it. As far as games are concerned, I insist that my Instructors use some in our childrens' classes. I especially like to see some fun at the end of the class as a reward for having worked hard on the repetitive stuff (kids will more likely remember the good time they had and come back). As far as making money, I don't know. I have always had a non profit school, so I am not the best one to ask. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Paul E. Davis - Ken Clary & Company" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:24:25 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lori Kettle- Information Request Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In answer to your question, I have lined my workout area with a 1" thick work mat from Home Depot.  They come in packs of four and each pack covers four square feet.  I did a 30 foot area and it works out well.   Paul E Davishotwtr01@earthlink.netKen Clary & Company - Florida  --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:47:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: building a floor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lori, We picked up some "puzzle-mat" type of flooring from the local Sam's Club that works well for what used to be our garage - no affectionately known as the Karate Room! These are 2' x 2' mats that interlock via puzzle-like connectors. Outside edges are included for the smooth look. They cut easily with a typical utility knife. They come 4 in a package for $7.67, if I remember correctly. That's 8 sq ft for less than $1/sq! Fairly inexpensive. These are about 1 inch thick, and cushion fairly well for jump kicks, floor stretches, etc. The bad part??? Only two color schemes are available: black, or yellow/green/blue/red. Since I am in the ATA, getting one of each of these colors allowed me to have the floor look like the Songahm Star! The color also brightens the room! One more thing: since the concrete tends to 'sweat' in our house, especially in the summer, it does not hurt to pick these up from time to time to let the floor and the mats "air out". They disconnect as easily as they go together! I use that time to be generous with the Lysol spray ;-) Enjoy. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:03:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: curls are for girls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sharon wrote: >>Hmmm. Let's not ignore the aesthetic aspect of great biceps. Some of us >>appreciate the effort expended in this area both on and off the mat. ;-) It >>definitely translates to full-body engagement... o:) This just reinforces what a buddy of mine always says, "Curls are for girls" Not meaning only girls should do them, but biceps are for impressing girls.... LOL Alain www.burrese --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: , Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] building a floor Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 9:17:29 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply from another (more recent lurker). I would personally suggest Pergo flooring. You can easily do the install yourself and it is inexpensive. Pergo kinda, sorta looks like wood. Not sure about how slippery it might become with perspiration though. Sincerely, Norm > > From: Lori Kettel > Date: 2004/01/06 Tue PM 06:17:35 EST > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] building a floor > > Hi, > > I've been lurking on here for sometime and I have a question that I > haven't seen go by yet. I'm moving into a house and would like to use > the basement as a workout space. The problem is, I would like to > practice my kicks including jumping ones and I don't really want to do > this on the cement floor because I find it too hard on my knees. Does > anyone have any ideas for constructing an inexpensive floor that would > add some cushion or give but not add a lot of height? > > Lori > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > 1 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:30:22 -0600 From: "Calvin Berlin" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] building a floor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lori wrote: "The problem is, I would like to practice my kicks including jumping ones and I don't really want to do this on the cement floor because I find it too hard on my knees. Does anyone have any ideas for constructing an inexpensive floor that would add some cushion or give but not add a lot of height?" I was fortunate enough to find someone who didn't need their gymnastic mats. I'm sure everyone has seen these, either in a school gym or in a YMCA class. They are 6' wide by 12' long and fold up. I've never seen them in any other color than blue. I was fortunate enough to get 3 of these so I have a very cushioned area of 12' x 18' to practice. They have velcro on the edges so they stick together. I have mine in the basement and you don't know your on cement. The great thing with them is that they are not permanent, can be moved, and they double as a rough house area for my 3 boys. As far as inexpensive, I don't know. The ones I got were used and free, and work great. Hope that helps some. Pil Seung Cal Berlin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This Electronic Mail Transmission contains information from Joy Global Inc. which is confidential, and is intended only for the use of the proper addressee. 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A cheaper solution would be a layer of wall-to-wall carpeting over a felt pad but I think that you would find knee and ankle problems arising from the various pivots necessary for kicking when executed on such a surface. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] money to the NK ITF's Chang Ung ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sports leader says sent N.K. $1.1 mil. to promote exchanges The Korea Herald The prosecution is looking into an allegation by South Korea's most influential sports figure that he delivered $1.1 million to North Korea to promote inter-Korean sports exchanges, officials said yesterday. Kim Un-yong alleges in a statement submitted to the prosecution in December that he had promised to give $1.5 million to a top North Korean sports official and that he had paid $1.1 million of the sum as of late last year, prosecutors said. Kim, vice president of the International Olympic Committee, presented the statement to the prosecution shortly after prosecutors seized $1.6 million he had kept in safes at his home and a bank. The prosecution appears to give little credence to his allegation. "We are working to ascertain whether his statement is true but he appears to be making an excuse to cover his possible receipt of bribes and misappropriation of funds," said a prosecution official. Prosecutors have investigated Kim, who concurrently serves as a National Assembly member, over allegations he took more than 500 million won from two businessmen in return for helping them win executive membership to the Korea Olympic Committee, which he has led for years. He is also accused of misappropriating billions of won in corporate donations to the World Taekwondo Federation, which he also heads. The prosecution suspects the money found in his personal safes may be part of the sums he took in bribes or embezzled. Kim alleges in the statement that he had personally raised the $1.1 million given to North Korean IOC member Chang Ung to help promote inter-Korean sports cooperation, including the joint entrance of South and North Korean teams during the opening ceremony of the 2000 Sydney Olympics. He also insisted he had kept the money in his safes to pay for the remainder of the sums promised to the North Korean sports official. But the prosecutor said Kim's allegation lacked credibility, noting the payment would have been made in the name of KOC, not by him personally. The prosecution, which interrogated Kim for hours in late December, is planning to summon him again, probably next week. "The charges being considered to be brought to him are very serious," said a senior official at the Seoul District Prosecutor's Office, indicating there is the possibility of Kim facing arrest when he is summoned for a second time. khkim@heraldm.com By Kim Kyung-ho 2004.01.07 --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Hagness, Chris R." To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] building a floor Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:22:48 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lori, 1) Our dojang just installed a new BioCushion wood floor by this company: http://www.robbinsfloor.com/ Prior to this, we used a concrete floor with a skim of carpet for our Taekwondo area. I actually found that you develop better jumping and landing technique by relying on your skills to cushion you rather than something external. That being said, you can actually see the new wood floor flex underneath someone when they jump or even just step. It's raised on little rubber feet, and is a floating floor so nearby squares also help distribute the impact. The newer model which we have has a profile of about 2 inches, and the ramps they have for walk-on areas of the edge are really nice. If you want hardwood, I recommend this. 2) Many of the major martial arts suppliers (such as Century, I believe, although it's not on their website) offer large sectional mats designed to fill workout rooms. They're roughly the size of a standard throw mat, but without the folds, and they show layouts for different sized workout areas. 3) Finally, and this might be the most economical solution, our Hapkido throw area uses a foam pad like those designed to go under carpeting (with or without actual carpeting over it), covered with a large one-piece sheet of canvas. There is a boxed-in frame around the workout area (think 2x2s bolted to the floor), about 2" off the main floor and a foot away from each wall, with eye-ring hooks facing outside (away from the center) so that the canvas may be stretched tight and tied down. The foam brought the workout surface roughly up to the level of the frame. The frame was covered with carpet to prevent stubbing toes. The canvas can be whatever you think will work well. We used a cotton canvas at first, but it was difficult to remove stains. A treated canvas is used now that cleans up nicely. You can probably get a reasonably priced and sized piece as a boat cover or something similar, which has the seams already sewn and treated, and have it cut down to size and put some o-rings along the edges for the tie-downs. This last is my favorite surface to work on for any technique, including jumps. You don't sink into the foam much, you'll just see the impression of your foot. It feels much better on landings than anything else I've been on, and you don't get your feet stuck in the surface when spinning. I plan to install one in my own home or dojang one day just like it. Chris Hagness -----Original Message----- From: Lori Kettel [mailto:kettel@cs.usask.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:18 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] building a floor Hi, I've been lurking on here for sometime and I have a question that I haven't seen go by yet. I'm moving into a house and would like to use the basement as a workout space. The problem is, I would like to practice my kicks including jumping ones and I don't really want to do this on the cement floor because I find it too hard on my knees. Does anyone have any ideas for constructing an inexpensive floor that would add some cushion or give but not add a lot of height? Lori _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest