Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:01:48 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #13 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: shaolin? (Jye nigma) 2. RE: USTU 2004 Memberships (Master Mark Seidel) 3. Re: Generating income (Chris and Cindy) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gun_Control_Discussion_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Shaolin II (Frank Clay) 6. re: building a floor (Lori Kettel) 7. Service (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 8. MARTIAL ARTS DEMO (Richard Tomlinson) 9. Firearms in the arts (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] shaolin? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Shaolin is in China, it was a monastery and a legendary training ground/safe haven for warriors and warrior monks. There is no such thing as Shaolin TKD, Shaolin Tai chi. Some one was pulling your leg. That's like Koga ryu TKD, Koga ryu tai chi...lol Jye james fawbush wrote: I was wondering if any one could tell me about shaolin some people have told me that when you were in any shaolin art such as shaolin tae kwon do, shaolin kung fu, shaolin ti chi, and ect. was making your art your religion is this true? What exactly is sholin? All your help would be appreciated --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] USTU 2004 Memberships Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:39:52 -0500 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wouldn't send them [USTU} a dime nor would I let any of my students; and as far as the WTF is concerned Un Young Kim, who has signed all of my Kukkiwons with the indictment of him pending I wouldn't even consider sending them money either. Now within 3 days from this post, I will hear from my State president about being disloyal! Sorry Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com [mailto:Johnjfitzg@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:24 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU 2004 Memberships USTU 2004 Memberships Considering the proposed decertification of the USTU as the NGB for TKD by the USOC, I would like to know what US TKD schools, who in the past have been members of the USTU, are planning at this time to do regarding their 2004 memberships in the USTU. If your school is asking its student to join the USTU for 2004, please explain your reasons why. If your school is not going to renew its memberships at this time, please give me your reasons. I sure many TKD schools are considering this matter and it would be helpful to have input from others. Thank You. John --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:54:24 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris and Cindy Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Generating income Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Hello Chris: >I hear you about the time and drain on energy, family life, and the >pocket book. That is the way it is for most, so I would not be too >hasty to trade in your real job. From what I have seen, and I have >looked hard in a lot of places, quality is not as important to the >average student/parent as is service. I have seen some really (I mean >150.000 per month) successful schools with a modest program, but their >service and people skills were second to none. Hence, I believe there >is room for someone who teaches a good program AND make a buck, as long >as their service and people skills are great. FWIW, 99 % of the folks >using the marketing ideas of the big Dojang Gurus are just as poor as >most of us. It seems that only those who have the skills I mentioned >benefit from their great ideas. The otheres merely make these gurus >moresuccessful:) Mind you, some of their ideas are great, and I >certainly agree the networking they do is fruitful, but it still takes >a special person to make it work. Whatever you decide, I wish you well. >Sincerely, >Rudy Rudy, I really appreciate your responses and respect your opinion. So, let me ask this - Should I give up the high rent and highly visible commercial location and build a Dojang next to my home? This will significantly reduce my expenses, but the location is in the middle of a country environment with little to no traffic. -Chris --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:19:18 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gun_Control_Discussion_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Miguel: ".....Does gun discussion belong in a martial arts forum? yes- It is a MARTIAL arts topic......" Saw your post. I also saw your definition. I also read and understood your explanation. However, I am wondering if YOU understood your post. I understand that you would make a place for discussing guns on a Net such as this because of the "martial" or "military" nature of what is examined here. Apparently you have not been keeping up on current events. For the preponderance of people who are on these various websites the "martial" nature of these arts goes about as far as using the term in a sentence. "Martial" is a term that bespeaks not just WHAT is done but HOW it is done. Most of the players I have experienced could careless HOW things are done as long as they can pretend to be part of the same group as that of other people who take these arts rather seriously. Lets just take the single issue that you raised. How many people who dialogue about gun control have actually used a gun? I'm NOT talking about the PRO people now. I am talking about the folks AGAINST guns. Have they actually owned a gun? Ever fired it consistently? Taken courses in gun handling and proficiency? Had to depend on it for survival--- maybe in a military or combat situation? Had to teach others how to use a gun safely? Keep it clean and stored safely? Learned how to use their gun in concert with others--- maybe in a military, hunting or competition situation? Know anything about the history and development of firearms? What you are doing is raising yet one more opportunity for people who are unfamiliar with a subject to spout off stats and sound- bites just like the folks who want to discuss martial arts but never really live a martial code in their lives. I suggest to you that a gun discussion does NOT belong on a Net like this as it is a waste of bandwidth. It encourages people who are uninformed to posture as though they actually know something, and, should it be proven that they are incorrect---- which is unlikely since most of these discussions are in fact exchanges of opinions not information---- its not as though anything will be resolved for all of the discord. Now, if you want an alternate label for this, why not call it "martial theatre" or "martial interests" or "martial hobbies". Then, people can get together and opine to their hearts content and need not fear that anyone will hold them accountable for actually subscribing to or up-holding a particular lifestyle or value. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:23:11 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Shaolin II Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I was wondering if any one could tell me about shaolin some people have told me that when you were in any shaolin art such as shaolin tae kwon do, shaolin kung fu, shaolin ti chi, and ect. was making your art your religion is this true? What exactly is sholin? All your help would be appreciated " This is not true. First of all, Shaolin typically refers to an art, or a derivative of an art originating at Songshan, Fukien or one of the other temples. While it is true that Shaolin tends to revolve around Buddhist thought, I know many who practice Shaolin arts and are not Buddhist. Shaolin Taekwondo is a misnomer. Taekwondo did not evolve directly from any art from Shaolin and does not share the same characteristics as Shaolin. Taijiquan, similarly, is not a Shaolin art. Taijiquan was the wudang answer to Shaolin Kung Fu. Wudang is a Taoist area, and is also a mountain. Taijiquan was founded, according to legend, by Cheng San Feng, a Taoist monk who is the Taijiquan version of Paul Bunyon. While I'm sure there are those out there who will make you become a specific religion, this is not typically the practice. So people gravitate to those arts BECAUSE they want the spiritual tradition. Others do not. In the end your approach to any art, is your approach and no two paths will be identical. Hope this helps. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:51:17 -0600 From: Lori Kettel To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: building a floor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I just wanted to thank everyone for the great ideas on the flooring. Lori --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:13:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Service Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy: A couple of posts ago you mentioned that you know of a school that had service "second to none". You mentioned that people really look for good "service" from a martial arts school. Could you provide some examples of this good service? I think I know what you are getting at but am not 100% sure. I feel that I provide good service to my current student base but would like to know how other schools are providing good "service". Please, other school owner feel free to give examples of what you do as well. Thank you. James Morgan --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:08:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] MARTIAL ARTS DEMO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Since we have done some demonstrations I thought I would offer some ideas. We have been at high schools, private schools, summer camps andat a town summer festival. We start out with an introduction of where we are from and a simple explination of TKD. Then as in class, go thru basic punches, blocks and kicks. One or two older students demonstrate a flying kick and everyone else does selected target kicks or hand techniques. Then we try to get as many kids in the audence to come and participate and do palm stricks and a basic side kick to a target. We bring our little dragon boards so each of those kids can break a board. They love it, parents love it and it is pretty cool! This is a simple and quick demo plan. Of course for high schools it becomes more advanced. Hope this helped! sandy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Firearms in the arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... For the > preponderance of people who are on these various websites the "martial" > nature of these arts goes about as far as using the term in a > sentence. "Martial" is a term that bespeaks not just WHAT is done but HOW > it is done. Most of the players I have experienced could careless HOW > things are done as long as they can pretend to be part of the same group > as that of other people who take these arts rather seriously. Lets just > take the single issue that you raised. Agreed, for many beginners. But as one spends more time in the arts the martial aspects become clearer and more pronounced. IMO As for firearms in the arts, I have not found myself to be the only MAist at places like Gunsite, LFI, TMI, etc, there to improve and enhance that aspect of our martial training. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest