Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:23:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #15 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Why take up martial arts? (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Why take up martial arts? (tim walker) 3. Why take up Martial Arts reply (Divetony@aol.com) 4. USTU 2004 Memberships (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 5. Re: Why take up martial arts? (Rain Breaw) 6. World KIDO Federation & the Han Min Jok Hapkido Association (Ali Alnasser) 7. Re: Alain Burrese Seminar (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 8. Martial Arts Demo (John Merwin) 9. DEMOS AND MARKETING (Richard Tomlinson) 10. RE: Why take up martial arts? (Stovall, Craig) 11. Today's provocation ;-) (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Why take up martial arts? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I study martial arts because it is a way of life that I incorporate into my life. Also because it contains a people's culture, or story. Jye harmonywushu@juno.com wrote: Hey Folks, My wife stumped me the other night. We were watching some martial arts tournament on tape, and she sprung the question: "why on earth would anyone want to take martial arts up." I had my own reasons, which are admittedly not the same now as when I stated. So, Now I'm sort of feeling out the issue with other folks. so Whaddaya say? Thanks Peter Join the Fight against violence! Subscribe to the Martial Artists Against Violence email list by sending a message to martialartistsagainstviolence-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:27:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Why take up martial arts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Personally, because my feet are too oddly shaped to participate in any sports that require special shoes (baseball, football, skiing, ballet...). That, and the chicks dig it. timo 'I am, too, a feminist' walker --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:59:20 -0500 From: Divetony@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Why take up Martial Arts reply Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good question, kind of like the question I got last month after breaking a bone in my hand after my first ever power break (3 pieces of concrete). The triage nurse asked how I did it, when I told her she said "why?" It made me think, why did I do it knowing that could happen, I still don't know the answer but for some reason I'm glad I did it. Everybody asks the same question, am I missing something or do non-martial arts people just not understand? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:13:48 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU 2004 Memberships Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Master Mark Seidel: Thanks for your response. The USTU and the WTF have very serious leadership issues and need changes. The WTF is going to get a new leader soon since U. Y. Kim resigned last week. I hope the new leader will be a good one. The USTU will most likely get new leadership this year. I say this because too many people have invested too much in the USTU and its’ mission is too important for US TKD to let one person or a small group of people run it in the ground. The USTU leadership may have one more opportunity for negotiation with the USOC, which may or may not result in any change in the USOC offer. I believe the USOC would prefer to work things out with USTU, so that USOC doe not need to start up a new TKD NGB just before the Olympics. Having said all that, there is no doubt the USOC want new leadership at the USTU. In time we will see what happens. The USTU and the WTF have very important mission for TKD. Their missions will still exist even after these leadership crises pass. Basically, I am looking for peoples views on the following: Are TKD schools still planning to financially support the USTU during this time of leadership crisis? If so, what is their thinking or reasons? IF not, why and do they plan to withdrawal from supporting this style of TKD and its Olympic mission or are they just waiting to see what happens. I know these issues are very political and many may not wish to go on record, so I appreciate your comments. Thanks John --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Rain Breaw Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:26:08 -0800 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Why take up martial arts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Peter, I am a small, shy, generally passive and young female. I started martial arts a few years ago because I felt an immediate physical threat in my work environment. Within six months I decided that leaving the environment was the real solution, but the basic desire to know that I had something which would make me a little less vulnerable is the reason I continued even after the threat was removed from my life. The longer I remain in martial arts, the more vulnerable I discover I really am, and the less I feel capable of truly defending myself. At the same time, knowing that I can run faster and throw a strong side-kick gives me a confidence that has made me feel safer in general. I also remain in the martial arts (despite the overwhelming time pressures on other aspects of my life) for two other reasons - 1) it gives me a calming and aggressive (not mutually exclusive) outlet in a "safe" environment where everyone at my school really does care about each other (a key aspect of being a part of this) and 2) seeing what people who have been dedicated to this practice for a very long time are capable of doing with their bodies is beautiful and inspiring, and while I don't know that I'll ever be able to develop that level of skill, it is a privilege to be in a place where I can watch, admire and aspire to it. Finally, when I am in the dojang I currently attend, and when I was in the one I used to attend (before moving across the country), I find that I am surrounded by people that I respect enormously, no matter their career, "motive" for participating, or other external factors. This feeling cannot be replaced. I've done a little bit of research into why older women join for the first time (mostly women who join even after having children) as I eventually intend to make a documentary on this subject. Most of my interviews have revealed the same feeling of threat that I describe earlier in this message as the primary motivating factor. Not self-defense, exactly, but more of a desire to not feel helpless when alone on a quiet street at night. Some of my interviews revealed car accidents or other traumatic moments in a woman's life where she temporarily lost use of part of her body, and wanted to make more use of her body after recovery. I am very interested in stories as to why people join and what keeps them going, especially when the challenge of joining and maintaining the schedule is greater for an individual. Like Peter, I would love to hear more stories. Thank you, Rain > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:21:04 GMT > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: harmonywushu@juno.com > Subject: [The_Dojang] Why take up martial arts? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Hey Folks, > > My wife stumped me the other night. We were watching some martial arts > tournament on tape, and she sprung the question: "why on earth would > anyone want to take martial arts up." I had my own reasons, which are > admittedly not the same now as when I stated. So, Now I'm sort of > feeling out the issue with other folks. so Whaddaya say? > > Thanks > Peter --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:13:41 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] World KIDO Federation & the Han Min Jok Hapkido Association Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those that are interested, I noticed the World Kido Federation has updated their site. Their's also information posted about a new mixed martial arts competition in Korea which was started by Master Scott Seo. www.kidohae.com www.neofight.co.kr [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 7 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:15:55 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Alain Burrese Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi folks, we're trying to work with master burrese to organize a hapkido seminar in either columbia, missouri or kansas city, missouri in late summer/early fall. was wondering what the interest from this group would be and which location you might prefer if you could attend. should be an excellent seminar. as most of you know, list member alain burrese is the author of several books and videos on hapkido and self defense as well as a motivational speaker. we'd love to have folks come and take advantage of the opportunity to train with him. on another note...we'd just love to meet y'all ;) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:18:14 -0800 (PST) From: John Merwin Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Demo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Pat Corbett Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Demo I am looking for some ideas on doing a Martial Arts Demo for a group of cub scouts ages 5 - 12.There will probably be between 50 - 70 kids and parents in endance and I will have between 15 and 30 minutes. I want to keep this simple, yet exciting for this age group. There are a couple boys who are in the cub scout pack and also involved in karate, and I was thinking of having them help with the demo. First of all best of luck in your up coming event. I ask myself this, what I'm going to do teach, demo, or recruit new students, or to one self deface techniques? Note the time. You said you have 30 minutes. You real only have 20 minutes. 2-5 minute to tell everyone who you are, what and why they are here. 10 show and tell, or 10 show and tell and try, the rest is for Q and A after wards. Make sure that you have rehearsed what it is you are going do, until you can do it in your sleep. Have flyers of your school, and business cards. Look the best you can and same with you team. You must project confidence and professionalism your school is being judged by these standers you are setting. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:08:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] DEMOS AND MARKETING Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy, thanks for a great idea! The wheel is in motion! sandy --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Why take up martial arts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Here's the numerous things I've observed: 1. Self-defense - Obviously, many folks take it up because they want to feel more secure in their own skin (read: learn to fight). It's complex in and of itself because this motivation could take the form of the small female that wants to empower herself, or the weak male that wants to stop being a target for bullies. Heck, it could even be the strong male that wants to learn a more efficient way to pound his victims. Also, some folk's vocations lead them to martial arts training. Being able to handle one's self physically is obviously a big plus for LEO's. Many people want to learn to fight...plain and simple. The reasons behind that can be complex and varied. 2. Self-esteem - I've heard this since day one. To me, it can kind of go hand-in-hand with reason number one. Also, there is the building of self-esteem that can come from the sense of accomplishment within the art...learned a new form, passed a test, made it through a tough workout, etc. 3. Sports - martial arts can be practiced sort of as a year round sport, and it seems like there's never been more outlets for competitive play within the MA world than right now. Sport karate, Olympic TKD, kickboxing, Judo, submission wrestling, sport jiu-jitsu, NHB/MMA...there's a lot of opportunities these days. Personally, I'm thankful for the growth of MMA in the last decade. I'm seeing a TON of good young athletes being drawn into martial arts these days because of it that would have otherwise not gotten involved. A lot of these young people happen to be folks that needed something positive in their lives. It's great. 4. Eastern Esoterica - some folks are drawn to the martial arts for the same reason that they're drawn to yoga, acupuncture, Eastern Religions, meditation, etc...it's perceived as something that will broaden one's horizons (which it can). Also, the mystique that most Westerners apply to various traditions and practices from the Asian continent are a big draw. 5. Fitness - I know a lot of folks that got into it in order to firm up their tush, or as something to help lower stress. I'm sure a lot of us can relate. 6. Self-development/improvement - by this, I mean following the martial arts as a way of life. Using them as vehicles to reach a spiritual, physical, and mental balance in life. Exemplifying the "do" in taekwondo, aikido, judo, kendo, hapkido, iaido, etc. 7. Social interaction - I know a lot of folks that took it up just to get out of the house and meet new people. I've also seen a lot of couples, and families get involved because they wanted a quality activity that they could participate in together. Those are the top one's I've observed. Anxious to see other people's observations. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:12:12 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Today's provocation ;-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Woof All: " Authors Gary Kleck and John Lott have each rigorously researched the subject and have both published quite a bit about it." I'm not familiar with Kleck, but would add my recommendation of Lott. He's a law professor with a solid background and has done some solid, serious work in this area. And concerning the changes in the UK: a philosophy of disarming the people does not stand alone. Perhaps the following is related? BEGIN http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=480364 Big Brother Britain, 2004 Four million CCTV cameras watch public. UK has the highest level of surveillance By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent 12 January 2004 Big Brother Britain, 2004 How average Briton is caught on camera 300 times a day Leading article: Farewell to privacy - civil liberties and the secret revolution More than four million surveillance cameras monitor our every move, making Britain the most-watched nation in the world, research has revealed. The number of closed circuit television (CCTV) cameras has quadrupled in the past three years, and there is now one for every 14 people in the UK. The increase is happening at twice the predicted rate, and it is believed that Britain accounts for one-fifth of all CCTV cameras worldwide. Estimates suggest that residents of a city such as London can each expect to be captured on CCTV cameras up to 300 times a day, and much of the filming breaches existing data guidelines. Civil liberties groups complain that the rules governing the use of the cameras in Britain are the most lax in the world. They say that, in contrast to other countries, members of the public are often unaware they are being filmed, and are usually ignorant of the relevant regulations. They also argue that there is little evidence to support the contention that CCTV cameras lead to a reduction in crime rates. Barry Hugill, a spokesman for the human rights and civil liberties organisation Liberty, said: "This proliferation of cameras is simply astounding. The use of CCTV has just exploded in the last few years, and what is terrifying is that we are alone in the world for not even having a debate about what it means for our privacy." Professor Clive Norris, deputy director of the Centre for Criminological Research in Sheffield, presented the new research at an international conference on CCTV at Sheffield Universityon Saturday. Professor Norris conducted a study in 2001 which predicted that the number of cameras would double from one million to two million by 2004. But his most recent study concludes that there are now "at least" 4,285,000 cameras in operation - double his earlier prediction. There are no official government figures for the number of CCTV systems in Britain, but Professor Norris used a detailed study of surveillance cameras in London to calculate his figure. The research formed part of a European-wide URBANEYE project on the use of CCTV. Professor Norris said: "We are the most-watched nation in the world. One of the surprising findings was how much more control there is in other countries, such as America and France, compared to Britain. "Other countries have been much more wary about CCTV, because of long-held concepts such as freedom of expression and assembly. These seem to be alien concepts in here." The use of cameras to film people in the street is banned in Germany, Canada and several other countries. But it is accepted practice in Britain, which is alone in not having a privacy law that protects people against constant surveillance. The Data Protection Act states that the public has to be informed that CCTV systems are in operation, and be told how they can exercise their legal right to see their own footage. But civil rights groups said many councils, shops and businesses were failing to provide this information, and they estimated that up to 70 per of CCTVcamera operators were breaking the rules. Some shopping-centre security guards use the cameras to track "socially undesirable" people, such as groups of teenage boys or rough sleepers, around stores, and then eject them even if they have done nothing wrong. Professor Norris warned: "The use of these practices represents a shift from formal and legally regulated measures of crime control towards private and unaccountable justice." Footage from the cameras has also been passed to newspapers and television companies without people's permission. Professor Norris said: "CCTV is generally seen as benign rather than as Big Brother-style surveillance. "We need to have a much wider debate about exactly what CCTV is doing in terms of our privacy and our society. "It is about much more than crime. It enables people to be tracked and monitored and harassed and socially excluded on the basis that they do not fit into the category of people that a council or shopping centre wants to see in a public space." Over the past decade, the Home Office has handed out millions of pounds in grants to police forces and councils to install CCTV systems in the belief it will reduce and prevent crime. But Mr Hugill said: "All that CCTV does is shift the crime to another area for a bit, and then it returns. If you asked most people, they would rather see the Government spending the money on more police officers than on installing cameras, which do not appear to make much difference anyway." END yip! Crafty Dog --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest