Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #20 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1600 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Getting along... (Eric Walker) 2. Visit to the Cumbria, England (GLENN MCINTOSH) 3. Re: Kung fu (Klaas Barends) 4. Re: Getting along and sticking with one master (Klaas Barends) 5. kung Fu (Frank Clay) 6. Getting along (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:27:15 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting along... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mister Hilland, I have a slightly different take on this attitude. I think that in some cases it is appropriate to take this tack. We had a situation arise once concerning a yellow belt student. He was a friend of mine and told me about it later down the road, but Master Toth told him that he was unhappy about his training outside of our dojang, in a different style. He had no previous training, i.e., not of dan rank. I think some masters and GMs don't want new students to mix and match and would like them to achieve some proficiency in one style before branching out. I think this may be a legitimate gripe in that there are some students that just want to sample different styles and don't end up becoming proficient in any one. In the case of this particular student, he no longer trains in anything at all. I can see the point, and having said all of that, Master Toth has indicated to me that as I'm becoming fairly good at hapkido and when I achieve appropriate dan rank that training outside of our dojang and style has its place. Just my two cents.... Eric --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:57:41 +1100 From: "GLENN MCINTOSH" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Visit to the Cumbria, England Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----------------------------------------------------------- This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. ----------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Master Hilland, training with other schools can lift the blinkers that some students and teachers develop in regards to their styles. In that vain I have a request of the Dojang members, is there any UK readers of the Dojang who can supply me with some info. I live in Oz however the back end of March/early April I am coming to the UK to visit my folks. They live in Cumbria, England. I have tried to locate a Hapkido/Tae Kwon Do Dojang or any martial art school which I could train at while I am there, however up to now I haven't been able to find one school. Is there anybody out there who know any schools and possible contact numbers. Thankyou Glenn Mac Zen Dan. Kwan Hapkido Australia www.zendankwan.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------- Mandatory water restrictions now apply in Sydney, Blue Mountains and the Illawarra. Fines of $220 apply from 1 November 2003. No sprinklers or watering systems at any time. No hosing of hard surfaces including vehicles at any time. For more information visit www.sydneywater.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email is confidential. If you are not the nominated recipient, please immediately delete this email, destroy all copies, and inform the sender. Sydney Water Corporation (Sydney Water) prohibits the unauthorised copying or distribution of this email. This email does not necessarily express the views of Sydney Water. Sydney Water does not warrant nor guarantee that this email communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. ----------------------------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:15:12 +0900 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kung fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >So, with respect to KMA: is there an equivalent Korean phrase that also equates to kung fu? Sometimes it is referred to as SiPalKi. But this is also used for the MA the palace guards used to learn. (A Korean friend of a Korean friend of mine actually demonstrates this every first sunday of the month at some palace in Seoul). On a side note: Bagua is called PalKwae Taichi is called Taekeukkwon -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:22:27 +0900 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Getting along and sticking with one master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm lucky to have a master who is far ahead of me. I have no need to go to other masters, there is still a lot I can learn from him. He however directed me one time to another master. 'Go learn his stuff as well' I think once you have this kind of relation with your teacher, you won't feel the need to go to others. Just some oil on the fire: If one of your students feels the need to train somewhere else, while you KNOW you haven't thaught him everything and there are still many things left in the art to explore.....what would you think of this student? -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:25:45 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] kung Fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kung Fu means more accurately attainment after great effort. Wushu means martial art and Nou Shu means National Art (Taiwan I believe). The problem is that the sport of Wushu uses the same name so many of the old dogs as it were, use to name Kung Fu in the US to show the difference. Others use just the system name, for example my Sifu calls my system Shandong Black Tiger, while my fiancee is an exponent of the Eagle Claw system. And yes, one who is expert at anything from flower arranging to mathematics could be said to have kung fu in that endeavor. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:47:47 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting along Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John writes: > Well, one big reason for it is MONEY. Name some good businesses which > send their customer to shop at their > competitors. I cannot think of any off the top of my head. Do Ford > car dealers tell their customers to check out vehicles > at GM, BMW, etc.? Does Sears tell its customers to check out other > stores for better service and products? > Most KMA school are in business to make money. Their owners and > management may love KMA, but they need to > make a living and most people want to make a good living. Hello John: I agree with you that money has a lot to do with it; however, I DO send people out to check other schools, and I have found this to be a very good business practice. For one thing, once prospects have checked out other schools and come back, they are more likely to stay. I also believe that by telling them to check out the other schools you build a sense of trust with the folks who come to check out the dojang. This method may not work for everyone, but it works OK for me. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest