Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #22 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: Generating income (Road Runner) 2. Master Hilland (George Peters) 3. Re: that's it exactly (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. 2004 California State Senior TKD Chip (Ray Terry) 5. A new project (Peter "Nighthawk" Lampasona) 6. Taking risks (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Road Runner" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Generating income Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:28:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris: This is a tough question. Although many of us aspire to branch out and start our own satellite school to pass along the wisdom we are fortunate to have received, making it as a profitable business is difficult at best. Although your profit margins may be lower, keeping the school separate from your personal residence offers some level of protection from the possibility of malicious prosecution. No matter how benevolent you may be as an instructor and a person, you must face the inevitability of an injury to one of your students (or even a family member slipping on your driveway) and the devastating fallout of a civil suit, regardless of the outcome. All of the schools in our organization are run as L.L.C. (limited licensed corporation), which for tax purposes is similar to a proprietorship, but protects your personal assets as being separate from the school. Good luck in your endeavors. John ;:^)|~< > Rudy, > > I really appreciate your responses and respect your opinion. So, let me > ask this - Should I give up the high rent and highly visible commercial > location and build a Dojang next to my home? This will significantly > reduce my expenses, but the location is in the middle of a country > environment with little to no traffic. > > > -Chris > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:38:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Hilland Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: I viewed your post with much interest, as the stipulations imposed on some of the good folks answering this post are the reason my son no longer trains at the dojang I train at. I study traditional TSD by GM Hwang Kee, and we do not have weapons training, although we do have bong forms now. My son had asked about studying the sword, knife, or escrima sticks as we are taught defensive techniques against these. His reasoning was if attacked by multiple attackers, should you not be able to use a weapon formerly possessed by one of your assailants? He was told by the master at our school that if he wanted to study this, he would have to study with a master located a hundred miles away that is a member of our federation. All this at an additional expense and our rate is already higher than most. I asked where this person learned these things at if we don't do weapons and was told I had a bad attitude about this. Anyway, to make a long story shorter, my son no longer trains there with this being his primary reason. I stayed because I like the quality of instuction in unarmed training, and have adopted a "don't ask, don't tell " attitude about everything else. By the by, what do you think of the idea of an org trying to tell the menbership that they have to purchase their dobahk only from them? In closing, the type of attitude you decried in your post is why my training partner of many years will no longer train where I do. I'm sure you can understand how one might feel because of this. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:42:15 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: that's it exactly Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "shop everywhere else first and then come to us for the best quality, value, and customer service. They never say they have the lowest prices, just the best value based on cut, color and clarity." that's exactly what we do for both the school and supply. i tend to see more appreciation for what we do offer and how we offer it when they go out exploring. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2004 California State Senior TKD Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2004 California State Senior Taekwondo Championships Jr. Black Belt Festival and Color Belt Extravaganza Torodome - Cal State Dominguez Hills - Carson, California Saturday, February 28, 2004 Competitions in Gyoroogi, Poomse, Creative Poomse, Kyukpa (breaking) For more information: 310.212.6010 www.laitkd.com masteryushenlai@hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Peter \"Nighthawk\" Lampasona" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:56:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] A new project Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello. This is my first message to this mailing list, so I thought I'd give a quick introduction before getting to the point. My name's Peter Lampasona, I've been a long time martial arts enthusiast, though my only training in a Korean martial art has been two years in TKD. While a recent change in local has prevented me from training, I practice every day in an effort to maintain the level I was at, before the move in both TKD and Dai Do Khan. I also am a writer, and have recently taken on a project that is themed around the martial arts. Which, now that you are all already bored with me, brings me to my point. The project I have taken on is a fictional novel (it actually has the lofty goal of being an anthology) which deals heavily with unifying strands of philosophy in the martial arts, and how they apply to modern life. For my research, beyond what literature is readily available on different styles of martial arts, I have been conducting interviews with martial artists who were willing to help. Some were even nice enough to take a few hours out and provide me with crash courses on martial arts I had not been exposed to, in order to give me a more personal understanding of the fundamentals of the styles. However, the story begins in Korea and I have not had as much success in finding the information I needed to give the most accurate and realistic portrayal of certain Korean martial arts. (The arts in which I feel I have the most glaring gaps in knowledge in are TSD, the primordial origins of Cha Yon Ryu, CKB, and Hankido) If any of you have the time to help with my understanding of the evolution and fundamental workings of these arts, from e-mail correspondance to just recommending a book I might not have turned up, it would be much appreciated. Thank you, Peter Lampasona. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:32:40 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taking risks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John writes: > Do you take this risk with all levels of student? Do you probe the > students for their reasons to > change, concerns and objectives/goals? Do you subsequently modify > your teaching or curriculum > to meet their goals? Hello John: I'll do my best to answer your question, but I fear it will be a long post. Yes, I do take the risk at all levels, because I really don't consider it a risk; however, in an honest attempt to provide the best I can for my students, I DO try to find out why people leave or do not join. As an Instructor concerned with the well being of all my students, I feel responsible for keeping my ear to the ground so to speak. On the other hand, I am also someone who believes in tough love, and I will not change the things that I know are right just to pacify a student who does not see the value of things. I believe in allowing students to find out for themselves that "the stove is hot", but I also try to make sure they don't burn themselves. In an ideal world this might work, but I have lost some good students as a result of the way I run my school. I take THAT information as a great learning experience for myself. Your last question on modifying my curriculum. I recognized early on in running my school that not all people come for the same reason, and I designed my programs to that end long before groups like NAPMAA etc. recommended such action. Yet, I kept my core curriculum as I learned it. My particular art is far too demanding for most people, and I would soon lose my school if I taught it the way I was taught it. There simply are not enough people willing/able to keep up with the fitness and breaking demands not to mention the vast amount of information. To keep the doors open for students wanting to go with THAT program, I NEED to have programs more suited to the average student. As a solution, I teach three different arts (based on the same principles) in my school. I never had to make drastic changes, because the leaders of these arts had already done that by themselves. I just took advantage of this; however, like many other groups have done, I did NOT throw out the stuff that made it too hard for most. Instead, I simply offer it to those who want it. To be honest, this has created a problem in my school that I am presently trying to work out. Hopefully I can find a solution. The problem is that black belts are awarded to all three arts based on the industry accepted standards (or better) the leaders of these arts have set. As I am the leader of Kong Shin Bup™, I set its standards the same as how I received them from my Master. I consider that my duty as inheritor of the art. Over the past few years, I have noticed a nasty thing happen. Some of the black belts in one art look down on the others. This is NOT something I taught, it is simply human nature. To have pride is a very good thing, but without a healthy dose of humility and compassion it is just pomp that feeds an ego. With the cloth of black belts looking very much the same... black, the lack of distinction is a thorn in the sides of those who worked harder to achieve the black belt in their particular art. This is a natural reaction of pride that is seen in the military and many other places, and it is akin to the problem Jere stated about all of us getting along. Fortunately, as people get older, the problem becomes less of an issue. It seems that wisdom learned over time (and the fact that your body will soon enough point out your own limitations) replaces pride with a more understanding form of pride that is combined with humility. Alas, I am still working on finding a solution to this problem that does not take as long as it seems to take to learn the pride/wisdom/humility combination. Hate to hang out my dirty laundry; however, for the sake of sharing some real learning experiences, my own pride will just have to take a back seat today:) Hope this helps John. Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest