Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:54:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #24 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Moving Around/Cross training (Emactkd@aol.com) 2. don't ask, don't tell (JR Hilland) 3. modifying your curriculum (JR Hilland) 4. Tonfa Forms (gtkda@ntelos.net) 5. Re: Hapkido in Poughkeepsie (Rain Breaw) 6. Running a school (Amed Hazel) 7. Chief Instructor Needed (Ed Gnad) 8. RE: getting along and cross training (Stovall, Craig) 9. TKD in the cage - nice videoclip... (Piotr Bernat) 10. Re: Chief Instructor Needed (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:33:43 -0500 From: Emactkd@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Moving Around/Cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi y'all! Just thought I'd chime in on the issue. First, moving around is up to the individual. If you are unhappy with your instructor or school, then move along. I'm sure no one wants you there if you aren't happy. But if you find yourself unhappy and moving a lot, you need to realize where the problem lies. As for cross training, I recommend it for students who are training at least 3 classes a week, have reached black belt, who express interest in expanding their knowledge and continue to train in with me at least 3 times a week. I recommend judo/yudo as a great complement and can direct the student to several excellent teachers. If the student's schedule won't let him train in two arts that much, but he intends to do so anyway, then he is being dilettante in his pursuit. I counsel against it, but it's a free country. He is chasing two rabbits and will go home hungry. Rick Foley --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] don't ask, don't tell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello George: Your organization is trying to tell the students they can only buy from them? I DO encourage you to support your dojang and your organization, but not as a mandate. Unfortunately, when someone enters a dojang/dojo/kwoon for the first time, everything is foreign. A new student is overwhelmed and has to take everything said at first as gospel. After a few years, he/she starts to see what is going on as the educational process continues. Those who have been around the block, have been involved with an isolationist group in one form or another. I certainly have. It took me over 20 years to get away from the "my way or the highway" attitude. They often hide under the banner of traditionalism as they simply do not play well with others. Fortunately, there are many enlightened instructors that are not teaching for ego or the money. They are happy just promoting their chosen art, learn something new, and get along with everyone. We all have seen instructors who will not attend a clinic because they were not asked to teach, they are not interested in learning something new, just satisfying their ego. It is sad, but as the world is getting smaller with the information highway, hopefully isolationism will go away, but I doubt it. I am a professional hapkido teacher, my goal is simply to promote my chosen arts and support my family by providing a value added service to my students. I have no hidden agenda. Sorry to hear that you and your son are not in class together as that is probably why you started in the first place, but if you ever have any questions about traditional TSD, just contact my old friend Master "Mac" on this group. I have known him for over a decade and he is one of the most knowledgeable TSD player around. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "JR Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:09:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] modifying your curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I spent 15 years modifying my curriculum and it is sad to see groups like NAPMA talking about nothing but making money and adding the latest trend. I have watched a nearby school in town go that way. The school started out in one of the traditional karate styles, but EVERY time I go by there, they are doing something else like a women's cardio-kickboxing class, etc. Only once, did I see a traditional class. Obviously they have a high student turnover rate. The founder of the school is a seasoned traditionalist, but as he retired and the young son started teaching, the curriculum changed and they lost sight of the core curriculum. I have no desire or need to change the art itself. It is not my place to say this or that does not work - to me, that is just another way of saying that I need to learn more. Changing your curriculum can be a good thing, but it can also send you away from the core essence of the art. Your duty as a teacher is to promote the art with an open mind. A good instructor provides a 'value added service' to the community, the students and the art and will adjust the curriculum to reflect this with out taking away from the art. He/or she also learns that if they do not teach part of the art, it could get lost. Just my opinion. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) From: gtkda@ntelos.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tonfa Forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone guide me to any websites with viewable Tonfa forms? I've only found one from "Ironcrane" but they want you to buy one of their videos or CDs before they will provide you with a username and password to view their Tonfa forms. I do not want to do that. I would appreciate anyone's assistance. Thank you. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Rain Breaw Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:29:59 -0800 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido in Poughkeepsie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear John, I do not personally know of Hapkido schools in Poughkeepsie, but there is a really nice Tang Soo Do school just off of Route 44 near Adams, with Master Loupe and his partner. I studied there for nearly two years before moving to Los Angeles, and was really happy. They are located at 2 Tucker Drive, and the rest of their information can be found on the Directory pages of http://grandmasterbyrne.com . Whether or not this is an option for you, Master Loupe would know about Hapkido schools in the area, as he also studies Hapkido. I hope all goes well for you in finding a school. -Rain National Karate & Fitness 2 Tucker Drive Poughkeepsie, NY  Ph: (914)-483-7675 > Message: 1 > From: JShillieto@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:42:04 EST > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Poughkeepsie/Newburgh NY > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I am looking for a hapkido instructor or school that offers it in the > Newburgh/Poughkeepsie New York area. Does anyone know of one? I have > found a club > which instructs in combat hapkido almost an hour away but the added > travel time > combined with the added cost I fear will put too great a strain on my > family. > Thanks for your consideration. > John --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Amed Hazel" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:31:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Running a school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "All of the schools in our organization are run as L.L.C. (limited licensed corporation), which for tax purposes is similar to a proprietorship, but protects your personal assets as being separate from the school. Good luck" What about running a school as a nonprofit organization? What kind of protection is an individual afforded? --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Gnad To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chief Instructor Needed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all interested, We are opening a new school in Florida. We need a Chief Instructor with experience in working with adults as well as kids 5yo and up. There is a possibility of becoming Director of Instruction for multiple schools. If you are interested, please send and email to tkdschool1@yahoo.com. Please include a contact number and your current rank and experience. All inquiries are handled in confidence. Thank You --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:43:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: getting along and cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Yes, it's a very strange thing. At the risk of offending people, I'll offer that the same sort of isolation can be seen in most church groups. When do you ever see the Baptists, Methodists, and Jehovah's Witnesses getting together for a fellowship potluck to talk about issues in their community, or just to celebrate each other's common belief in God? Never. The reason that the bonsai growers and the musicians can get together and have a good time is because those people don't typically claim to have a copyright on "the truth". With most martial arts organizations, the whole system is based upon ownership of "the truth". In a church, that particular denomination has to have some unique slant (or claimed outright ownership) to the truth, or else they wouldn't exist. I'm sorry, but Baptists and Methodists see "the truth" in two very different ways (sometimes over the most petty of issues), and therefore there exists the need for the two organizations. Martial arts is almost unique within the world of secular activities in that there is almost a religious zeal with which the group's version of "the truth" is propagated and defended. The only other thing within the secular world that approaches it is political party affiliation...I think it's safe to say that most Black Democrats have a TOTALLY different reality tunnel than most White Republicans. Each one with a deathgrip upon their particular "truth". MA organizations are in the business of selling their "truth". Organization A teaches TKD. Their "truth" is that most fights begin at long range, and keeping someone at bay with powerful kicks is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization B teaches Hapkido. Their "truth" is that most fights begin at the standing clinch, and learning to lock someone at the wrist, elbow, and shoulder is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization C teaches BJJ. Their "truth" is that most fights wind up on the ground, and learning to fight there is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization D runs sport karate tournaments...what's self-defense? The point of this rambling is that everyone claims to have "the truth", but in reality NOBODY owns it (remember all those churches). So, anything that can't stand up to five minutes of critical thinking has to be defended at all costs...usually at the expense of others. Grandmaster XYZ doesn't want his organization co-mingling with the good folks at ABC, because they don't follow the same gospel. Why go learn anything from ABC? XYZ organization is the bomb!!! We're the ultimate style. Only we know how to do "proper technique". Only our style can be traced back to the Bukake temple. Only our Grandmaster studied with the man that studied with the man that studied with the man. In other words...don't you dare figure out that we don't really own "the truth". IMHO, most people that are interested in using MA as a means to increase the quality of their life (being healthier and happier) will study with whomever and learn whatever they damn well please. I have a term for these types of people..."free thinkers". The 90% out there that are worried about defending their organizational boundaries were never concerned with increasing the quality of their lives to begin with. They don't want to be great themselves (that would take hard work)...they just want to be attached to great personalities ("I train under Grandmaster XYZ"). Nor do they want to test the veracity of their particular flavor of dogma. It's enough for them to simply scream that "XYZ is the ultimate style", and "since I study XYZ, I am the bomb". I have a term for them also..."sheep". Isolation is what allows the fantasy to exist. Without isolation...there would be no fantasy. Thus, we can't get along. In the end, just my honest opinion. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:10:11 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD in the cage - nice videoclip... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.arena.az.pl/arena_2/movie/ab2_clip_tkd_puzon_poleszak.wmv This bout was fought as an exhibition during one of the recent Vale Tudo events in Poland. Piotr Bernat www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chief Instructor Needed To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:41:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We are opening a new school in Florida. You should probably specify just who "we" are... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest