Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:53:01 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #28 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Memphis, TN area schools (Nathan Miller) 2. Re: hackworth case (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 3. RE: RE: getting along and cross training (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 4. RE: Craig Stovall on Hackworth (Dr. Daryl Covington) 5. world kido federation (JR Hilland) 6. certificates (David Weller) 7. Paper (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Re: anyone? anyone? bueller? (ChunjiDo@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Memphis, TN area schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey out there... We've got a student here who may soon be moving to Memphis, TN, and will be looking for a school to continue her training. Primary interests would be a striking art. Any help at all would be most grateful. :-) See you Jackson! Nathan --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:00:42 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: hackworth case Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Is he continuing to circle the wagons?" lol...i think he ran out of wagons to circle, didnt he? they all rolled away rather quickly once the fit hit the shan. take care, melinda ;) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: getting along and cross training Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:33:49 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net a very interesting read. although I practice TKD it, feel may not be the ultimate fighting art. however I really enjoy what I do. I fact the fighting part is not what I train for. there are other styles that emphasise this which I think is good for the practitioner who wants to do that. at my club we have have regular squad training. wherein we go to other clubs or they come to us. the truth is that my instructor earns alot of respect. we all learn something new about other styles and we get a chance to spar. in which we always come off best. thats not boasting. we are just trained really hard. and then given a chance to compare. -----Original Message----- From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com] Sent: 19 January 2004 20:44 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: getting along and cross training <<>> Yes, it's a very strange thing. At the risk of offending people, I'll offer that the same sort of isolation can be seen in most church groups. When do you ever see the Baptists, Methodists, and Jehovah's Witnesses getting together for a fellowship potluck to talk about issues in their community, or just to celebrate each other's common belief in God? Never. The reason that the bonsai growers and the musicians can get together and have a good time is because those people don't typically claim to have a copyright on "the truth". With most martial arts organizations, the whole system is based upon ownership of "the truth". In a church, that particular denomination has to have some unique slant (or claimed outright ownership) to the truth, or else they wouldn't exist. I'm sorry, but Baptists and Methodists see "the truth" in two very different ways (sometimes over the most petty of issues), and therefore there exists the need for the two organizations. Martial arts is almost unique within the world of secular activities in that there is almost a religious zeal with which the group's version of "the truth" is propagated and defended. The only other thing within the secular world that approaches it is political party affiliation...I think it's safe to say that most Black Democrats have a TOTALLY different reality tunnel than most White Republicans. Each one with a deathgrip upon their particular "truth". MA organizations are in the business of selling their "truth". Organization A teaches TKD. Their "truth" is that most fights begin at long range, and keeping someone at bay with powerful kicks is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization B teaches Hapkido. Their "truth" is that most fights begin at the standing clinch, and learning to lock someone at the wrist, elbow, and shoulder is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization C teaches BJJ. Their "truth" is that most fights wind up on the ground, and learning to fight there is the ultimate in self-defense. Organization D runs sport karate tournaments...what's self-defense? The point of this rambling is that everyone claims to have "the truth", but in reality NOBODY owns it (remember all those churches). So, anything that can't stand up to five minutes of critical thinking has to be defended at all costs...usually at the expense of others. Grandmaster XYZ doesn't want his organization co-mingling with the good folks at ABC, because they don't follow the same gospel. Why go learn anything from ABC? XYZ organization is the bomb!!! We're the ultimate style. Only we know how to do "proper technique". Only our style can be traced back to the Bukake temple. Only our Grandmaster studied with the man that studied with the man that studied with the man. In other words...don't you dare figure out that we don't really own "the truth". IMHO, most people that are interested in using MA as a means to increase the quality of their life (being healthier and happier) will study with whomever and learn whatever they damn well please. I have a term for these types of people..."free thinkers". The 90% out there that are worried about defending their organizational boundaries were never concerned with increasing the quality of their lives to begin with. They don't want to be great themselves (that would take hard work)...they just want to be attached to great personalities ("I train under Grandmaster XYZ"). Nor do they want to test the veracity of their particular flavor of dogma. It's enough for them to simply scream that "XYZ is the ultimate style", and "since I study XYZ, I am the bomb". I have a term for them also..."sheep". Isolation is what allows the fantasy to exist. Without isolation...there would be no fantasy. Thus, we can't get along. In the end, just my honest opinion. 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If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Craig Stovall on Hackworth Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In response to - parting of ways. I called and worked out things with the KHF and Master Bae. They will be sending our actual memberships / etc. We have chosen to take our own path entirely due to the "Bad" taste the political mess left in its wake. Ian Cyrus recognized our system, and allowed us membership with ICF, but in the end, our style is worth what it is on the mat and street. On to the matter of Hackworth. I have not seen nor heard from him since we confronted him on his frauding us. Gary Pointer called me and asked what was going on, and that he was unaware of any wrong doing, but other than that, NO word at all. As for Shinsei, it isn't Dr. Covington's group. Daryl is just the house dog. ha ha. grace and peace in Jesus Christ, daryl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "JR Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:16:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] world kido federation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bernard: In the mid-late 90's got the same package. I was from Sara Seo. The price of certificates, etc. put it in the not-to-consider file. It is simply a private organizations and is not affiliated with the Daehan Kidohwe. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com PS. Steve Seo used to participate in this forum. He still may be in lurk mode. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: David Weller Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:17:50 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] certificates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Redfield, The sending of the video sort of makes one think they really care about whether the candidate "knows his stuff". On the other hand, I wonder just how crappy one would have to look to be rejected? It would be kind of a kick to send in a tape of blatantly poor technique and see if certification would be forthcoming. I agree with you: if your association, and your teachers, have given you their "okey dokey", the rest is just wallpaper. And damned expensive wallpaper at that! dave On Jan 22, 2004, at 5:01 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > From: Bernard Redfield > To: > Subject: [The_Dojang] World KiDo Federatiion ? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > An Acquaintance of mine has invited me to join the World Kido > Federation, he > made it sound like a great honor to be asked. I just don't know much > about > them. > they want copies of all my rank certificates, my martial arts history > and > background information on all my instructors and a video tape of me > performing all my techniques, and of course cash. then they will issue > me a > certificate from them in my current rank. I already have a cert on the > wall > from my association, from the U.S. is a Korean certificate better? why? --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:40:35 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Paper Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bernard writes: > Now why would I need to join the World Kido Fed.? what could they do > for me? > I really don't need to paper my walls with certs, from people I never > met. IMHO, no one should join ANY organization just for the paper. However, WKF has more to offer than that. Its leader, GM Seo, actually gets out on the floor on a regular basis to teach and has a lot to offer in that regard. Bottom line. If you plan to take advantage of the training in Korea or whenever GM Seo is in your area, I am sure you will benefit. If you can't make that commitment, I suggest you will get more benefit out of training with some of the better known local Masters who are more accessible to you. Visit Jackson or Austin, or any of the seminars that are offered on a regular basis. You will make good friends, you'll hear various opinions on organizations (just because we are good friends does not mean we don't have personal views on that issue), and then you make up your mind based on your gut feeling. Personally, I would not even want anyone to join my org. unless s/he has done some research and is apt to be a happy member. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman, Chief Master National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:09:19 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: anyone? anyone? bueller? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net anyone else get something crazy like this?..... "from afghan ashihro karate org president sensei rahmatullah,shabab dear[ous]when i say your eamil iam very happy dear we are very poor beicuse my government not help me please help me one time cam here afghanistan so as same learn from you and we want one meeting with you face to face when you want we invite you we are get inviteion vaisa for you thanks your obediently sensei rahmatullah,shabab house afadi,p,c,o nasir bagh roed peshawar pakistan tel 092-3009593091 acount habib bank tahkal bula brunche 45 55 -9" lol. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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