Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:12:01 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #38 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: Query regarding advancement (masterm1) 2. RE: PCP (Master Mark Seidel) 3. RE: Query regarding advancement (David Weller) 4. Lee from South Carolina? (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 5. Re: not to worry (luke rose) 6. The Dojang PCP (Richard Tomlinson) 7. new issue of Acta Koreana (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "masterm1" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Query regarding advancement Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:37:13 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi I've trained over thirty years. As a student I won tournaments, performed hundreds of demos and after 8 years of training my first instructor who was a hard core American Vietnam Vet retired leaving all his black belts at first Dan. I was his highest ranking student with a school certificate. My second was a tough Korean Vietnam Vet and after three years of tough retraining, more demos and tournaments he repromoted me to first Dan. I visited my first my instructor and showed him what I had achieved under the Korean Master his reaction was I already promoted you to that level why did you just reinvent the wheel. I replied because every master wants you to relearn his way and show loyalty and then there is the money. For higher Dan ranks he would only promote instructors when their students rank got close to the instructors rank or if you were going to open a school under him and his test were grueling and in the nine years I remained with him I achieved forth Dan school certificate only, I was his highest ranking student. One day he just quit and went back to Korea, so I went to the kwan he was from in Korea and they promoted me to fifth Dan, they want to see me fight, do demos and break boards but with age sneaking up on me, a knee surgery, numerous broken bones, arthritis and a bad back. It's now time to test for sixth, I wish I had your instructor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix Smittick" To: Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Query regarding advancement > ......another grading coming up in 3 > > weeks, and am worried about another double promotion > > to Blue 4..... > > > > To wrap up, we love training, and enjoy the workout. > > the belt matters little to me or my wife, but I am > > aware of the value that others place in the belt, > > and would feel bad if someone looked down on us or > > the art that we practice just because of the > > rapidity of advancement that we have experienced. > > > > Any comments gratefully recieved > > > > Taekwon > > > > Neil > > > > neilb@codemuncher.com > > Singapore > > > Greetings Neil, > > Workouting 12-15 hours per week should yield good > results. I would be concerned if you were not > advancing. Now as you get to the advanced stages do > not be too alarmed if your progression slows somewhat. > > Keep up the quality trainging and have fun. > > Sincerely, > Felix Smittick > www.karateworldstudios.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] PCP Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:01:30 -0500 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a very common problem both for students and school owners; first can you honestly say that you have perfected everything? Ay your level you should be working on perfect forms stances strikes, punches, kicks, techniques and theory. Many times a lower belt and Black Belt classes when I was a second and third Dan I worked in the back of the mat by myself. I also took private lessons from the schools Master. I know more money, but the days of trading chickens for lessons are over. Again talk to your Master and let he or she know what you are feeling. Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth W. Legendre [mailto:innae@netexpress.net] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:36 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] PCP Hello All I have a question for the black belt instructors. I'm a third degree and not receiving any instruction. I attend 2 to 3 classes a week and teach another and dont seem to be getting any direction (the C part). I realize that part of the problem is that one day a week the instructor of the class is a lower rank than I am, but I believe in his abilities. At least 2 times a week though I'm in class with senior belts and still dont get any constructive criticism. I guess what I'm asking is how many other black belts out there feel that they are not getting the correction, and what do you do about it? Thanks Ken Legendre innae@netexpress.net 3rd Dan TKD 4th Gup HKD (getting plenty of instruction here) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: David Weller Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:23:54 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Query regarding advancement Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was speaking to a yellow belt student last night after class. This is a 30 something fellow who is naturally talented. His kicks are strong and powerful he tries hard to absorb everything, and is quite good at picking up new techniques. (at yellow belt it's ALL new, neh?) There is a testing coming up in a few weeks and I asked if he felt prepared for the test. He said he was in no hurry, and that the belt really didn't mean all that much to him. What he enjoyed was coming to class and learning new things. He said he always enjoys one of the instructors or senior students correcting his technique and giving him new "tricks" to try . He's interested in playing in the local tournaments (and my guess is he'll be cleaning the proverbial floor with the competitors in his division), and learning self defense, and improving his techniques. Given this man's innate abilities I would see no reason he could not learn the required techniques and actually skip a belt at the low levels (something I have never seen done in our school), but I doubt you could pay him to do such a thing. To this man, its about the journey, not the destination. Someday, he'll be a black belt who will make himself, and especially his teachers, proud! I nearly hugged him. Dave Weller --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:21:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lee from South Carolina? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok gang, I'm going out on a limb on this one. Does anyone know of a Master Lee from South Carolina? I know there's ALOT of Lee's so quit laughing.. He evidently has schools in Florida as well. Rumor has it up here that he is moving to the area and just bought a big building in my town for a TKD school. He is evidently a 6th or 7th Dan. For all I know, he's a member of this list! Just trying to get some info on him. I would appreciate anyone's help. Thank you. James Morgan GTKDA Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: not to worry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net luke rose wrote: Neil, I really like your e-mail. It's honest and open. You seem to be a genuine martial artist. I'm a martial arts school owner and absolutely love it. I've had many recent successes and am still in shock, but taking it in stride. I do believe a big part of success is making new contacts and keeping up old ones. Which is why I'm responding to your e-mail. I just recently joined this web-site, and I really love it. Getting back to your e-mail. In my school I don't promote anyone faster than anyone else. The reason being that it is a self improving art and I try not to standardize as much as possible, but that gets a little tricky sometimes. If you make the student wait they just get that much better, and value the promotion that much more. How much you train should be for the student not the teacher in my opinion. On the other hand I've learned that I have my view points and to respect the ones of others. There is always more than one way to do something well. Maybe your instructor is rewarding you for your hard work and trying to inspire others to do the same. It sounds like he is a passionate and committed martial artist and I commend him for that. Just remember no matter what you do it can always be used for the good or the bad. It starts with intentions and ends with actions and begins again and so on and so fourth. I'm so happy to here people that are doing well in art and life. Congratulations on your new found passions. Keep them going, for I'm eager to hear more of your successes. Don't worry about other students opinions. Just keep doing what your doing. I'm sure your instructor knows what he is doing. If it bothers you to much talk to your instructor privately about your concerns. I'm sure he will let you know whether you need to be concerned or not. Sincerely, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:41:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Dojang PCP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is not un common to find one's self trading teaching for training. Being the highest rank with no one above to show or teach technique can be frustrating. I am heading for my second Dan in june and have been teaching for over two years. I train at least three hours a week on my own and our school has two classes a week just for black belt training. This class is kids and adults and formated to compliment each student. I've also been doing all group kicking, punching ect. drills WITH my students, this provides an excellent aerobic work out since you are calling out commands at the same time. You also set a good example. Training on one's own is very important. What happens is as you teach techniques you see and show how it's done. This carries over to your personal training. Teaching thus becomes how you learn. I can not begin to tell how many of my techniques have greatly improved as my teaching skills improve. Also, techniques can not improve if the body does not become more physicaly fit, meeting the high demands of advanced technique. So even basic techniques are not basic, they seem so only because when you learned basics, you were developing muscle strength, stamina and muscle memory. As an advanced rank, so called basic techniques become advanced and need to also be worked on with with this in mind. The more you practice what you teach, the more you will improve. I can not believe how much being an instructor has improved my abilities and opened my eyes to a whole new world, to a growing heart and as we say, TKD is not only punching and kicking but a way of thinking and living. sandy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] new issue of Acta Koreana (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Academia Koreana is pleased to announce that the latest issue of its journal Acta Koreana (Vol. 7, No. 1) is off the press. It is a theme issue on the Japan-Korea trade in the pre-modern era, with the following articles, translations, and interview: (ISSN 1520-7412, pp. 187) [Articles] - Kim Dongchul, "The Waegwan Open Market Trade and Merchants in the Late Choson Period" - James B. Lewis, "The Trade with Japan and the Economy of Kyongsang Province" - Chung Sungil, "The Volume of Early Modern Korea-Japan Trade: A Comparison with the Japan-Holland Trade" - Oh Doo Hwan, "The Silver Trade and Silver Currency in Choson Korea" [Literature in Translation] - Richard Mayer tr., "Hansi from the Koryo and Choson Dynasties" - Kim Won-il, Michael Finch tr., "Prison of the Heart" [Interview] - Dafna Zur, "An Interview with Kevin O'Rourke" To order single copies and for subscription information, please contact us at acta@kmu.ac.kr , or visit our website, http://www.actakoreana.org Manuscripts for consideration for publication in the next issues are invited;guidelines for submission can be found on our website. Best, Sem Vermeersch Keimyung University --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest