Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:41:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #47 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_question_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. Re: RE: weapons training... (Jye nigma) 3. Jung Shin training (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Weapons question (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Weapons question (jonathan crosby) 6. KIHAP (pds@icdc.com) 7. Re: KIHAP (Ray Terry) 8. Korean Cinema at New York in Feb (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:57:47 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_question_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: I would like to participate in the discussion on weapons training in the KMA but before I do it would be nice to know what limits people are willing to place on the practice. The focus of this particular discussion Net is that of Korean martial arts, and I understand that there is a certain expected flexibility to defining that focus. All the same, it would be nice to know before discussing a subject how far people are willing to flex the limits that define an art as Korean. For me the question is not whether or not the Korean culture had threshing tools, or boat oars or pitch forks that could be pressed into service as weapons. For me the question is how it is that there is a body of information about weapons that the Koreans are documented as using but that people would rather make a case for training in weapons that are NOT documented. In case you are wondering where this sensitivity comes from I direct your attention to the recent process that revealed people who traded in paper to support an illusion of KMA experience. I also direct your attention to the collusion between those same individuals and recognized organizational authorities. I also direct your attention to the myriad of schools and organizations which promote inclusion of weaponry of admitted foreign origins, use of weapons systems of their own invention, and invention of "new" weapons (which is to say new takes on old weapons). I practice Korean martial arts for the code by which they are guided, the pragmatism with which they are practiced and the cultism which they eschew. If you want to talk about weapons, thats fine, but I would appreciate knowing before hand why folks are so bent on shaping the KMA to such an eclectic take on curriculum when there is an entire body of information that is willfully being ignored. And if some part of the answer is that Korean MA are invoked only to lend authenticity to whatever folks want to whip-stitch together, is the only reason one uses "Korean" arts because they offer the least probability of being held accountable by some authority for the practice? BTW: Some time back I mentioned a resource for those folks who were interested in researching Okinawan form traditions before those traditions were modified and re-transmitted to Japan. I strongly urge anyone who has these interests to purchase THE KARATE OF CHOTOKU KYAN, a video tape put out by Tsunami (818-889-3856). I think you will be very much enthralled by viewing the execution of such forms as SEISAN, KUSHANKU, CHINTO and ANAKU as they were originally practiced. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: weapons training... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes I was thinking that since alot of trading of utensils, ideas, knowledge, etc some of the same weapons showed up across different countries. Now some weapons like meteor hammers are specific to a cetain culture. I think many countries/cultures have unique weapory, and then certain weapons that are the same in other countries. Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:58:49 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jung Shin training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Luke writes: > I am VERY interested to meet people of an honest and honorable class. Hello Luke: Sorry to hear you won't be able to make Jackson; however, if you are ever in my area (Northern Ontario) we open our Dojang to any respectable martial artist visitors... free:) There seems to be a growing number of people who are sick and tired of the nonsense that is out there these days, and these folks regularly come together to practice instead of spout garbage. Our host, Ray, allows us to advertise these gatherings, so keep an eye out for these "happenings". Master J.R. West and myself, as well as several other list members, conduct seminars on a regular basis, and we welcome honorable people of any art with open arms and Jung Shin in our hearts (as SBN Richards often says:). Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:50:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > eschew. If you want to talk about weapons, thats fine, but I would > appreciate knowing before hand why folks are so bent on shaping the KMA to > such an eclectic take on curriculum when there is an entire body of > information that is willfully being ignored. What is Hapkido if not eclectic? Some claim perhaps the first eclectic martial art. > BTW: Some time back I mentioned a resource for those folks who were > interested in researching Okinawan form traditions before those traditions > were modified and re-transmitted to Japan. I strongly urge anyone who has > these interests to purchase THE KARATE OF CHOTOKU KYAN, a video tape put > out by Tsunami (818-889-3856). I think you will be very much enthralled by > viewing the execution of such forms as SEISAN, KUSHANKU, CHINTO and ANAKU > as they were originally practiced. FWIW. Is Naihanchi included? Just curious to see if it is practiced like many arts do it or more like the Isshinryu folks do it, which is a bit different. Of course, they (Isshinryu) claim their Naihanchi is the original form of the, err, form... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: jonathan crosby To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net has anyone heard of gi chun or ta gwan? they are old forms of korean yoga which are great for dantien. if anyone knows where to get some of the sword forms it would be great!!! cheers jon --- Ray Terry wrote: > eschew. If you want to talk about weapons, thats fine, but I would > appreciate knowing before hand why folks are so bent on shaping the KMA to > such an eclectic take on curriculum when there is an entire body of > information that is willfully being ignored. What is Hapkido if not eclectic? Some claim perhaps the first eclectic martial art. > BTW: Some time back I mentioned a resource for those folks who were > interested in researching Okinawan form traditions before those traditions > were modified and re-transmitted to Japan. I strongly urge anyone who has > these interests to purchase THE KARATE OF CHOTOKU KYAN, a video tape put > out by Tsunami (818-889-3856). I think you will be very much enthralled by > viewing the execution of such forms as SEISAN, KUSHANKU, CHINTO and ANAKU > as they were originally practiced. FWIW. Is Naihanchi included? Just curious to see if it is practiced like many arts do it or more like the Isshinryu folks do it, which is a bit different. Of course, they (Isshinryu) claim their Naihanchi is the original form of the, err, form... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _____________________________________________________________ Surf before you surf - http://www.surf.co.nz --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: pds@icdc.com Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:20:10 US/Eastern Subject: [The_Dojang] KIHAP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray, KIHAP no longer uses those names once they found out they were fraudulenly approved. Master Annibale had written letters of approval to believe the KHF people listed were on board with the KIHAP program as well as a Certificate of Appointment from the KHF. Richard Hackworth had set that all up so call him to find out how he got KIHAP approval from the KHF and a Certificate of Appointment for Mstr. Annibale. Also you used the term "selling paper" which also in very inaccurate. Thanks Stuart Rosenberg --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KIHAP To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:41:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > KIHAP no longer uses those names once they found out they were fraudulenly > approved. > > Master Annibale had written letters of approval to believe the KHF people > listed were on board with the KIHAP program as well as a Certificate of > Appointment from the KHF. Umm, well just today Mister Annibale stated in email to me: "Secondly, those who now claim they did not give me permission to attach their names to our certificates, are lying. I have written authorization from each and every person that was on the board." Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:07:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Cinema at New York in Feb (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Korean Cinema at New York in Febuary 1. Im Kwon-Taek: Master Korean Filmmaker February 5-27, 2004 MoMA Film at The Gramercy Theatre The Museum of Modern Art and the Korean Cultural Service present an exhibition of 15 films by the renowned Korean director Im Kwon-Taek. Im Kwon-Taek: Master Korean Filmmaker, which runs February 5?27, 2004, at MoMA Film at The Gramercy Theatre, includes many of his acclaimed films, such as Festival 1996), which opens the retrospective, and Come Come Come Upward (1989), as well as his most recent feature, Chihwaseon (2002), for which he was awarded the Best Director prize at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival. Ticket and theatre information is pasted below. A complete screening schedule is posted on the Korean Cultural Service website at: http://www.koreanculture.org/moma.htm http://www.moma.org Chuk je (Festival). 108 min. 1996.Thursday, February 5, 6:30; Friday, February 6, 2:00 Ticket. 1986. 100 min. Thursday, February 5, 8:45; Friday, February 6, 4:15 Sopyonje. 1993. 112 min. Friday, February 6, 6:30; Sunday, February 8, 1:00 Aje, aje, bara aje (Come, Come, Come Upward). 1989. 125 min. Friday, February 6, 8:45; Saturday, February 7, 1:00 Chihwaseon (Strokes of Fire/Painted Fire/Drunken Brush). 2002. 117 min. Saturday, February 7, 3:30; Friday, February 13, 2:00 * Chihwaseon is now available on DVD. http://www.kino.com/video/item.php?film_id=654 Ssibaji (The Surrogate Woman). 1987. 94 min. Saturday, February 7, 6:00; Friday, February 13, 4:15 Chun hyang. 2000. 136 min. Sunday, February 8, 3:30; Saturday, February 14, 9:00 Tae Baek san maek (The Tae Baek Mountains). 168 min. Sunday, February 8, 6:30; Thursday, February 12, 2:00 Angae maul (The Misty Village). 1982. 91 min. Thursday, February 12, 5:00; Sunday, February 15, 3:00 Mandara (Mandala). 1981. 117 min. Saturday, February 14, 6:30; Thursday, February 26, 2:00 Adada. 1987. 120 min. Monday, February 16, 8:00; Thursday, February 19, 2:00 Jang gun eui adul (The GeneralOs Son). 1990. 130 min. Thursday, February 19, 8:00; Sunday, February 22, 7:15 Jok bo (The Genealogy). 1978. 106 min. Friday, February 20, 4:15; Saturday, February 21, 9:15 Gilsodom. 1985. 105 min. Saturday, February 21, 5:00; Friday, February 27, 4:00 Chakko. 1980. 110 min. Saturday, February 21, 7:00; Thursday, February 26, 4:15 2. Greg Pak's Robot Stories "Robot Stories" Over 23 film festival awards 85 minutes, 35mm color Everything is changing... except the human heart http://www.robotstories.net Opening February 13 in New York City Cinema Village 22 E. 12th St., New York, NY http://www.cinemavillage.com Winner of over 23 film festival awards, "Robot Stories" is science fiction from the heart, four stories in which utterly human characters struggle to connect in a world of robot babies and android office workers. The stories include: "My Robot Baby," in which a couple (Tamlyn Tomita and James Saito) must care for a robot baby before adopting a human child; "The Robot Fixer," in which a mother (Wai Ching Ho, Best Actress, St. Louis Int'l Film Festival and Puchon Int'l Fantastic Film Festival) tries to connect with her dying son by completing his toy robot collection; "Machine Love," in which an office worker android(Greg Pak) learns that he, too, needs love; and "Clay," in which an old sculptor (Sab Shimono) must choose between natural death and digital immortality. John Petrakis of the Chicago Tribune calls the film "one of the most moving pieces I've seen all year" while Entertainment Insiders calls it "the kind of science fiction s! ophisticated audiences crave and deserve." Awards include the Special Jury Award from Emotional Truth from the Florida Film Festival; Best Feature Film honors from the Rhode Island Int'l Film Festival, the Sci Fi London Film Festival, the DC APA Film Festival, and the SF Korean American Media Arts Festival; and Audience Awards from the Fantastisk Film Festival in Sweden, the Boston Fantastic Film Festival, and the Michigan Independent Film Festival. ?Director and Screenwriter: Greg Pak Producers: Kim Ima and Karin Chien Starring: Tamlyn Tomita, Sab Shimono, Wai Ching Ho, Greg Pak, Cindy Cheung, John Cariani, Bill Coelius, Eisa Davis, Ron Domingo, Tim Kang, Julienne Hanzelka Kim, James Saito Genre: Science Fiction, Independent, Asian American Distributed by Pak Film and Shotwell Media Official Website: http://www.robotstories.net 3. A Night at the Movies Korean Cultural Service hosts A Night at the Movies, the monthly screening of Korean film, on every fourth Thursday a month. DVD is screened and admission is free. February 26 6:30 A Good Lawyer's Wife (105 min) March 25 6:30 A Little Monk (102 min) http://www.koreanculture.org/cineschedule.html Address is 460 Park Avenue, 6th Floor (57th street) New York NY 10022 4. Spring in My Hometown on February 5th LEE Kwang-Mo's Spring in My Hometown will be screened at Great Neck Art Center on 7:30 PM, Thursday, February 5th. Great Neck Arts Center 115 Middle Neck Road, Great Neck, NY 11021. How to reach 1) By Long Island Railroad, just get on Port Washington line and get off at the Great Neck Station and walk north for two blocks. You will see the Squire Cinema on your right side. 2) By car. It's the Long Island Expressway, get off at exit 33, go north on Lakeville Road until it becomes Middle Neck Road. Go over the railroad tracks for two more blocks, make a right turn on Maple Drive, quick left into free parking lot. You can walk throught the Arts Center, down the stairs, make a right and you will see the theater on your right. http://www.greatneckarts.org/specialevents.htm --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest